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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27037834 - 11/13/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

But there’s enough demand that anyone that has a good vaccine will be selling as much as they can make


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27037856 - 11/13/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There's a fairly significant percentage of people who wouldn't take a Ronavaxx within its first year.

Will be interesting to watch as these phase three trials play out. Pfizer says 90% from .2% of data collected. 94 people out of over 44,000.

Nothing is known about long term side effects.

What happens 2-4 years from now, after multiple doses. Pfizer requires 2 doses, three weeks apart. Who knows about any others released.

Reports of AI being recruited to track vaccine adverse events.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
    #27037905 - 11/13/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The FDA tracks adverse events for all approved drugs and vaccines.

It would be extremely unlikely a vaccine would have adverse effects that would only appear after months or years. You’re fear mongering.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27037918 - 11/13/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

22,000 is a very large sample size, and a 9:85 ratio is extremely significant.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27037921 - 11/13/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The FDA tracks adverse events for all approved drugs and vaccines.

It would be extremely unlikely a vaccine would have adverse effects that would only appear after months or years. You’re fear mongering.




Who knows. Many end their studies and call vaccines safe after a week of observation.

Besides, there's never going to be a vaccinated vs unvaccinated study done. It's near impossible having a majority getting jabbed at birth.

Parents with children with autism caused by vaccination speak out. Some listen, others ignore.

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/08/14/579150.htm

"federal program set up to encourage drugmakers to help combat public health emergencies. It spares pharmaceutical and device makers from costly liability lawsuits in exchange for taxpayers compensating injured patients — though it doesn’t guarantee there’s funding to do so."

Oh, that's interesting, using tax dollars to pay for adverse events.

What a sham.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


Edited by HamHead (11/13/20 11:27 PM)


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27037924 - 11/13/20 11:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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22,000 is a very large sample size, and a 9:85 ratio is extremely significant.




94, is not a large sample size.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
    #27037966 - 11/13/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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22,000 is a very large sample size, and a 9:85 ratio is extremely significant.




94, is not a large sample size.




That’s not the sample size

The sample size is the number of people required to represent the population in a study. The sample size is number of participants in a study. 94 is the number of cases. In a disease with low incidence like covid, you need a larger sample size to accurately represent the population and you need a minimum number of cases. A phase III vaccine trial ends when a certain number of infections have occurred based on the sample size. The larger the sample size the fewer number of positive cases as a percentage of that sample size you need for a statistically significant result. A larger sample size reduces the time it takes to reach the number of cases required to produce a result with a certain level of confidence.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27038039 - 11/14/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The press release was just some good news. They did not win the vaccine race. Many companies are working on it, and some are using the same mRNA technology as Pfizer, and this was good news for them too.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27038046 - 11/14/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Trump says that every state except New York will get the vaccine. He will block them. He seems to be getting more and more divorced from reality, if that's possible.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27038052 - 11/14/20 01:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

For context, this is what Trump said:
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As soon as April, the vaccine will be available to the entire general population, with the exception of places like New York state, where, for political reasons, the governor decided, they say — and, you know, I don’t think it’s good, politically; I think it’s very bad from a health standpoint — but he wants to take his time with the vaccine.  He doesn’t trust where the vaccine is coming from.

These are coming from the greatest companies anywhere in the world, greatest labs in the world.  But he doesn’t trust the fact that it’s this White House, this administration.  So we won’t be delivering it to New York until we have authorization to do so, and that pains me to say that.

This is a very successful, amazing vaccine at 90 percent and more.  But — so, the governor, Governor Cuomo, will have to let us know when he’s ready for it.  Otherwise, we — we can’t — we can’t be delivering it to a state that won’t be giving it to its people immediately.




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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27038058 - 11/14/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You're buying that?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27038059 - 11/14/20 01:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Oh look another “by April” prediction.

And yeah that New York shit is next level insane. I’m guessing cuomo said something that hurt his feelings. I am continually floored that anyone would have voted for this pretty little child.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27038065 - 11/14/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Brian Jones said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
For context, this is what Trump said:
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As soon as April, the vaccine will be available to the entire general population, with the exception of places like New York state, where, for political reasons, the governor decided, they say — and, you know, I don’t think it’s good, politically; I think it’s very bad from a health standpoint — but he wants to take his time with the vaccine.  He doesn’t trust where the vaccine is coming from.

These are coming from the greatest companies anywhere in the world, greatest labs in the world.  But he doesn’t trust the fact that it’s this White House, this administration.  So we won’t be delivering it to New York until we have authorization to do so, and that pains me to say that.

This is a very successful, amazing vaccine at 90 percent and more.  But — so, the governor, Governor Cuomo, will have to let us know when he’s ready for it.  Otherwise, we — we can’t — we can’t be delivering it to a state that won’t be giving it to its people immediately.






You're buying that?



Buying what?  That Trump said the above?  Or that he'll release it to New York if Cuomo says they'll give it to their people?  Of course he will.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27038071 - 11/14/20 01:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

He won’t be president  🤦‍♂️


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    #27038073 - 11/14/20 01:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

By April, our one case of insane clown president will be down to zero


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27038081 - 11/14/20 01:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

How about we put what Cuomo said in context? His remarks were in reference to Trump wanting the vaccine to be available in time to help his election chances, and scientists saying that timeline was unrealistic.

Trump thinks there was a conspiracy to slow down vaccine development to hurt him politically. How much sense does that make? Like big business leaders are just really psyched to get a Democratic President in there. Actually by the very end they were. Wall Street said even with Biden's pledge to increase taxes on the rich and capital gains, he would be better for the markets than than the instability caused by Trump.

Finally, who actually believes Trump will be in power when the vaccine is widely available, which is hopefully April?

Koods read my mind while I was composing this.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27038102 - 11/14/20 02:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I just watched trumps press conference. He’s lying about Pfizer getting funding from the US government. The US paid Pfizer 1.5 billion to make millions of doses based on their preliminary data. The US didn’t contribute funding to the development of the vaccine.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27038190 - 11/14/20 04:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You weren't kidding. I just got the newspaper. Trump invented the vaccine single handedly.


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    #27038233 - 11/14/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
Quote:

koods said:
The FDA tracks adverse events for all approved drugs and vaccines.

It would be extremely unlikely a vaccine would have adverse effects that would only appear after months or years. You’re fear mongering.




Who knows. Many end their studies and call vaccines safe after a week of observation.

Besides, there's never going to be a vaccinated vs unvaccinated study done. It's near impossible having a majority getting jabbed at birth.

Parents with children with autism caused by vaccination speak out. Some listen, others ignore.

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/08/14/579150.htm

"federal program set up to encourage drugmakers to help combat public health emergencies. It spares pharmaceutical and device makers from costly liability lawsuits in exchange for taxpayers compensating injured patients — though it doesn’t guarantee there’s funding to do so."

Oh, that's interesting, using tax dollars to pay for adverse events.

What a sham.



Not a single case of autism has been caused by vaccines. It's entirely disproven. Some parents are still idiots


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: bodhisatta] * 3
    #27038248 - 11/14/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You're right, but they will never ever stop talking about it. It turns into a religion-like belief system.

Hysterical parents of fucked up kids is not science.


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