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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27014843 - 10/31/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Ninety percent of polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests in the United Kingdom are false positives.




Only a total fucking moron would believe this


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
    #27014851 - 10/31/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Manila times:burke:




Alrighty, I'll find another source.

https://principia-scientific.com/the-covid-19-pcr-test-is-key-to-the-pandemic-fraud/

The PCR test was invented by Kary Mullis (photo, top) in 1985 but it was never intended for detecting disease; it’s primary applications included biomedical research and criminal forensics.

Mullis often spoke out against using his test for diagnosing illnesses. So-called experts ignored the warning. But now, many independent scientists and medical professionals are coming forward to denounce the idiocy of governments, the media and NGO’s for pushing the number of novel coronavirus “cases” (not deaths) premised on spurious results from this problematic PCR test.

And another.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/chief-science-officer-pfizer-says-second-wave-faked-false-positive-covid-tests-pandemic-over/5724753

“…a true positive does not necessarily indicate the presence of viable virus. In limited studies to date, many researchers have shown that some subjects remain PCR-positive long after the ability to culture virus from swabs has disappeared. We term this a ‘cold positive’ (to distinguish it from a ‘hot positive’, someone actually infected with intact virus). The key point about ‘cold positives’ is that they are not ill, not symptomatic, not going to become symptomatic and, furthermore, are unable to infect others.”

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1985 was 35 years ago. This is like asking Henry Ford about formula one cars.

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    #27014855 - 10/31/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Enlil said:
Manila times:burke:




Alrighty, I'll find another source.

https://principia-scientific.com/the-covid-19-pcr-test-is-key-to-the-pandemic-fraud/

The PCR test was invented by Kary Mullis (photo, top) in 1985 but it was never intended for detecting disease; it’s primary applications included biomedical research and criminal forensics.

Mullis often spoke out against using his test for diagnosing illnesses. So-called experts ignored the warning. But now, many independent scientists and medical professionals are coming forward to denounce the idiocy of governments, the media and NGO’s for pushing the number of novel coronavirus “cases” (not deaths) premised on spurious results from this problematic PCR test.

And another.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/chief-science-officer-pfizer-says-second-wave-faked-false-positive-covid-tests-pandemic-over/5724753

“…a true positive does not necessarily indicate the presence of viable virus. In limited studies to date, many researchers have shown that some subjects remain PCR-positive long after the ability to culture virus from swabs has disappeared. We term this a ‘cold positive’ (to distinguish it from a ‘hot positive’, someone actually infected with intact virus). The key point about ‘cold positives’ is that they are not ill, not symptomatic, not going to become symptomatic and, furthermore, are unable to infect others.”

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This is conspiracy nutter bullshit and doesn't belong in this forum.  Mullis never said that PCR couldn't be used for diagnosis.  PCR is a method for replicating DNA.  It isn't a test, in itself. 

To claim that 90% of the test are false positive is absurd and completely bullshit.  Both of these sources are unreliable.  The first site is an organization that has long denied that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, and the second site is full on conspiracy site with truther shit along with any number of conspiracy theories.

Keep that shit out of this forum.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27014861 - 10/31/20 11:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)




Maybe some videos will help you understand. They're short too, <5min


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

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https://www.icandecide.org/

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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
    #27014870 - 10/31/20 11:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Dr. Mina is a part of an organization called World Doctors Alliance, which is dedicated to claiming the pandemic is a hoax. This is more conspiracy nutter bullshit.  Either present something credible, or you need to take this to the conspiracy forum.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
    #27014874 - 10/31/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

someone with any viral load is infected or has been infected.


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    #27014877 - 10/31/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext#coronavirus-linkback-header

Notably, current policies in the UK and globally do not include special provisions for those who test positive despite being asymptomatic and having laboratory confirmed COVID-19 in the past (by RT-PCR swab test or antibodies). Prolonged viral RNA shedding, which is known to last for weeks after recovery, can be a potential reason for positive swab tests in those previously exposed to SARS-CoV-2. However, importantly, no data suggests that detection of low levels of viral RNA by RT-PCR equates with infectivity unless infectious virus particles have been confirmed with laboratory culture-based methods.7 If viral load is low, it might need to be taken into account when assessing the validity of the result.


Dispute the Lancet. Please.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

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    #27014881 - 10/31/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don't need to.  I'll just quote the article you linked from it:

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The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0.8% and 4.0%




That's a bit lower than the 90% nonsense you tried to sell us earlier.


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    #27014890 - 10/31/20 11:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext#coronavirus-linkback-header

Notably, current policies in the UK and globally do not include special provisions for those who test positive despite being asymptomatic and having laboratory confirmed COVID-19 in the past (by RT-PCR swab test or antibodies). Prolonged viral RNA shedding, which is known to last for weeks after recovery, can be a potential reason for positive swab tests in those previously exposed to SARS-CoV-2. However, importantly, no data suggests that detection of low levels of viral RNA by RT-PCR equates with infectivity unless infectious virus particles have been confirmed with laboratory culture-based methods.7 If viral load is low, it might need to be taken into account when assessing the validity of the result.


Dispute the Lancet. Please.




What’s to dispute? That article is a discussion about whether PCR tests are valuable for determining if a patient is capable of infecting another person. To be clear if you’re shedding virus parts that can be detected, you have been infected with the virus. The question is only whether there are still living viruses being shed. A PCR test cannot tell the difference between an intact living virus and one that has been neutralized.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] * 1
    #27014892 - 10/31/20 11:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)



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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27014896 - 10/31/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.26.20080911v1.full.pdf

The high false discovery rate that results, when prevalence is low, from false positive rates typical of RT-
PCR assays of RNA viruses raises questions about the usefulness of mass testing; and indicates that
across a broad range of likely prevalences, positive test results are more likely to be wrong than are
negative results, contrary to public health advice about SARS-CoV-2 testing. There are myriad clinical
and case management implications. Failure to appreciate the potential frequency of false positives and
the consequent unreliability of positive test results across a range of scenarios could unnecessarily
remove critical workers from service, expose uninfected individuals to greater risk of infection, delay or
impede appropriate medical treatment, lead to inappropriate treatment, degrade patient care, waste
personal protective equipment, waste human resources in unnecessary contact tracing, hinder the
development of clinical improvements, and weaken clinical trials. Measures to raise awareness of false
positives, reduce their frequency, and mitigate their effects should be considered.

:teareally:

I rest my case.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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    #27014908 - 10/31/20 11:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What is your case?

I don’t think you understand half the shit you post


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    #27014914 - 11/01/20 12:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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What is your case?

I don’t think you understand half the shit you post




False positives are being reported due to PCR test picking up virus particles from people who have previously been exposed, have gotten over an illness and is still shedding dead, inactive viral particles.

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What’s the problem ?




:badtrip:

In some people, the virus can
be found by PCR in the nose
and throat for several weeks,
even longer than their
infectious period (the time that
they are contagious to other
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    #27014919 - 11/01/20 12:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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What is your case?

I don’t think you understand half the shit you post




False positives are being reported due to PCR test picking up virus particles from people who have previously been exposed, have gotten over an illness and is still shedding dead, inactive viral particles.




That’s not a false positive. That’s exactly how a PCR test works.


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What’s the problem ?




:badtrip:

In some people, the virus can
be found by PCR in the nose
and throat for several weeks,
even longer than their
infectious period (the time that
they are contagious to other
people).




Again, what is the problem?


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    #27014956 - 11/01/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Your case was that 90% of PCR positives are false positives.  Your evidence doesn't prove your case.  Since you've rested, we can conclude that you were full of shit from the beginning.


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    #27014963 - 11/01/20 01:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Your case was that 90% of PCR positives are false positives.




Despite what appears to be a massive amount of time spent researching these issues, hamhead doesn’t appear to understand the difference between a false positive and true positive results


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    #27015162 - 11/01/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)



I guess this is where Dr. Michael Yeadon derives 90% from

:shrug:

“Government decided to call a person a ‘case’ if their swab sample was positive for viral RNA, which is what is measured in PCR. A person’s sample can be positive if they have the virus, and so it should. They can also be positive if they’ve had the virus some weeks or months ago and recovered.

“But there’s a final setting in which a person can be positive and that’s a random process. This may have multiple causes, such as the amplification technique not being perfect and so amplifying the ‘bait’ sequences placed in with the sample, with the aim of marrying up with related SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA. There will be many other contributions to such positives. These are what are called false positives.

“Think of any diagnostic test a doctor might use on you. The ideal diagnostic test correctly confirms all who have the disease and never wrongly indicates that healthy people have the disease. There is no such test.

Misuse of power

“I’m focusing solely on the false positive rate in Pillar 2, because most people do not have the virus (recently around 1 in 1,000 people and earlier in summer it was around 1 in 2,000 people). It is when the amount of disease, its so-called prevalence, is low that any amount of a false positive rate can be a major problem.

“Because of the high false positive rate and the low prevalence, almost every positive test, a so-called case, identified by Pillar 2 since May of this year has been a false positive. Not just a few percent. Not a quarter or even a half of the positives are false, but around 90 percent of them….

“As of the most recent ONS survey, to a first approximation, the virus was found in 1 in every 1,000 people. This can also be written as 0.1 percent. So when 10,000 people are tested in Pillar 2, you’d expect 10 true positives to be found.

“So, what is the false positive rate of testing in Pillar 2? For months, this has been a concern. It appears that it isn’t known, even though as I’ve mentioned, you absolutely need to know it in order to work out whether the diagnostic test has any value!

“This test is fatally flawed and must immediately be withdrawn and never be used again in this setting unless shown to be fixed.

“The effect of the day by day climb in the number of people that are being described as ‘cases’ cannot be overstated. I know it is inducing fear, anxiety and concern for the possibility of new and unjustified restrictions, including lockdowns.


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    #27015191 - 11/01/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think you're sorely missing the point.  People who are testing positive because they are shedding the virus are people who were infected.  Whether symptomatic or not, that number is still accurate.


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    #27015237 - 11/01/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I think you're sorely missing the point.  People who are testing positive because they are shedding the virus are people who were infected.  Whether symptomatic or not, that number is still accurate.




Then why scare people with positive tests when they could be testing positive from an infection that happened weeks prior?

Example. I became infected 6 weeks ago. Suffered mild symptoms and never was tested, for whatever reasons. I'm then forced to take a test, again for whatever reasons, and test positive from my infection that occurred 6 weeks prior. This new positive test is counted as an active case, even though I became infected 6 weeks prior. With this false positive, I can be forced into quarantine until I test negative, which could be weeks if I still test positive, even though I have zero symptoms and am no longer contagious.


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