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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27014600 - 10/31/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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3000 people died on 9/11. You're okay with a third of that dying per day though.





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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #27014610 - 10/31/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by
multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are
based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s
reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from
the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts.




https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27014643 - 10/31/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/




April 28, 2020

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Not even close to being comparable. Do you know why?

Influenza kills children.

Covid-19, not so much.

Influenza has never been tested for on a massive scale like we are seeing with Coronavirus 19 testing.

Also, PCR test, as per the creator of the PCR test, are not designed for diagnosis.

Someone may test post for a small amount of viral load and never develop symptoms. Does that mean they are a covid case if they test positive?

And if so, if someone never has any symptoms and tests positive, why should they have to put down Covid 19 as a pre-existing condition when they never fell ill?

I get a cold and it's a pre-existing condition?

Talk about a scam in the making, one which we are already seeing take place with hospitals getting extra funding for those who test positive for Covid.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27014646 - 10/31/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Covid 19 isn't a cold, though. PCR testing is very accurate.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
    #27014650 - 10/31/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Covid 19 isn't a cold, though. PCR testing is very accurate.




Other coronaviruse are.

If PCR test are so accurate, why have we been hearing about false positives/negatives?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
    #27014652 - 10/31/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Because perfection is an ideal,  and ideals are aspirational.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
    #27014657 - 10/31/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Because perfection is an ideal,  and ideals are aspirational.




Yet, those false positives are being counted as cases. As well as those who test positive 2 months later.

While case numbers are being used as a scare tactic.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
    #27014661 - 10/31/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Meh, that's not statistically significant.


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    #27014670 - 10/31/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Meh, that's not statistically significant.




That doesn't stop koods from going on about case numbers.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
    #27014674 - 10/31/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Case numbers are the most important number.  False positives are insignificant.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
    #27014679 - 10/31/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Case numbers are the most important number.  False positives are insignificant.




I disagree.

Death is the most important number.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27014700 - 10/31/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Everyone dies. Not everyone gets covid.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27014776 - 10/31/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Everyone dies. Not everyone gets covid.




Yup. 0% survive death while 99% survive covid.

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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
    #27014780 - 10/31/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Which is why infection rate is more important than death rate.


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    #27014787 - 10/31/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Covid 19 isn't a cold, though. PCR testing is very accurate.




Other coronaviruse are.

If PCR test are so accurate, why have we been hearing about false positives/negatives?




We aren’t. You’re confused.


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    #27014796 - 10/31/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Case numbers are the most important number.  False positives are insignificant.




I disagree.

Death is the most important number.




You don’t actually care about that otherwise you would be appalled by the 20% increase in mortality in the United States.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27014802 - 10/31/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Because perfection is an ideal,  and ideals are aspirational.




Yet, those false positives are being counted as cases. As well as those who test positive 2 months later.

While case numbers are being used as a scare tactic.




So now we are overreporting cases?

If so then the CFR for covid is actually higher than  2.5%

Which is it? The line used to be we were underreporting cases and that’s why the CFR was so high. If we’re actually overreporting cases then the fatality rate is actually more like 3-5%


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27014825 - 10/31/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

:canthelpbutlaugh:

https://www.manilatimes.net/2020/10/08/opinion/columnists/topanalysis/covid-pcr-test-prone-to-hatching-false-positives/777791/

In his new article, “The deadly danger of false positives,” Dr. Yeadon makes these major conclusions:

1. We are closer now to the end of the pandemic than to its middle.

2. Ninety percent of polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests in the United Kingdom are false positives.

3. The PCR test is fundamentally flawed and should no longer be used.

The test cannot distinguish between a living virus and a short strand of RNA from a virus which broke into pieces weeks or months ago.
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Not everyone reports infection. Therfore, not every infection, or case if you prefer, will be detected.

That means, there are people, who catch the beer bug, experience mild symptoms (sometimes none at all), get better and don't die.

This will bring the death rate down. Easy to understand.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27014829 - 10/31/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Manila times:burke:


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    #27014830 - 10/31/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Manila times:burke:




Alrighty, I'll find another source.

https://principia-scientific.com/the-covid-19-pcr-test-is-key-to-the-pandemic-fraud/

The PCR test was invented by Kary Mullis (photo, top) in 1985 but it was never intended for detecting disease; it’s primary applications included biomedical research and criminal forensics.

Mullis often spoke out against using his test for diagnosing illnesses. So-called experts ignored the warning. But now, many independent scientists and medical professionals are coming forward to denounce the idiocy of governments, the media and NGO’s for pushing the number of novel coronavirus “cases” (not deaths) premised on spurious results from this problematic PCR test.

And another.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/chief-science-officer-pfizer-says-second-wave-faked-false-positive-covid-tests-pandemic-over/5724753

“…a true positive does not necessarily indicate the presence of viable virus. In limited studies to date, many researchers have shown that some subjects remain PCR-positive long after the ability to culture virus from swabs has disappeared. We term this a ‘cold positive’ (to distinguish it from a ‘hot positive’, someone actually infected with intact virus). The key point about ‘cold positives’ is that they are not ill, not symptomatic, not going to become symptomatic and, furthermore, are unable to infect others.”

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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


Edited by HamHead (10/31/20 10:45 PM)


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