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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#26721694 - 06/05/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: A study about hcq was retracted.
That’s it?
I think he forgot the link.
Nets Ignore Lauded Anti-Hydroxychloroquine Study Getting Shot Down
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The evening newscasts of ABC, CBS, and NBC refused to give airtime to the revelation that a lauded scientific study, purporting to show anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine was ineffective and deadly, was retracted Thursday because of questions surrounding its accuracy and ethics.
The three authors of the study, led by Mandeep R. Mehra of Harvard Medical School and published in late May, retracted their study from the Lancet because independent peer reviewers could not access the data used for the analysis.
If things weren’t weird enough, a report from the U.K.-based Guardian discovered that the company gathering the data was manned by a science-fiction author and a porn star...
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On the Covid economy front I read this story earlier in the week. There is an economic organization commissioned by a bipartisan congressional committee to do long range forecasting. They issued a report in January covering the next decade. (I know. It sounds like the Soviet Union's 10 year plans). They made major revisions to the report a week ago. They now project that it will take until the 3rd quarter of 2029 to get back on pace to meet the estimates they made 5 months ago.
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Long range forecasting of what?
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Brian Jones said: On the Covid economy front I read this story earlier in the week. There is an economic organization commissioned by a bipartisan congressional committee to do long range forecasting. They issued a report in January covering the next decade. (I know. It sounds like the Soviet Union's 10 year plans). They made major revisions to the report a week ago. They now project that it will take until the 3rd quarter of 2029 to get back on pace to meet the estimates they made 5 months ago.
Elon musk will have moved his factory to mars by then
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They now project that it will take until the 3rd quarter of 2029 to get back on pace to meet the estimates they made 5 months ago.
A new projection based on a previous estimate.
It's tough for me to put much stock in such speculation.
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Economic output.
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cross posting from the Pub thread
New Zealand has reached 0 cases and is reopening their economy and removing restrictions on citizens ahead of schedule (originally planned for June 22)
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New Zealand has lifted almost all of its coronavirus restrictions after reporting no active cases in the country.
At midnight local time (12:00 GMT), all of New Zealand moved to level one, the lowest of a four-tier alert system.
Under new rules, social distancing is not required and there are no limits on public gatherings, but borders remain closed to foreigners.
New Zealand has reported no new Covid-19 cases for more than two weeks.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern told reporters she did "a little dance" when she was told the country no longer had any active virus cases.
"While we're in a safer, stronger position, there's still no easy path back to pre-Covid life, but the determination and focus we have had on our health response will now be vested in our economic rebuild," Ms Ardern said.
"While the job is not done, there is no denying this is a milestone. So can I finish with a very simple, 'Thank you, New Zealand'."
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'A sustained effort'
New Zealand first went into lockdown on 25 March, setting up a new four-stage alert system and going in at level four, where most businesses were shut, schools closed and people told to stay at home.
After more than five weeks, it moved to level three in April, allowing takeaway food shops and some non-essential businesses to re-open.
As the number of community cases continued to decline, the country moved into level two in mid-May.
The move to level one comes ahead of time - the government had originally planned to make the move on 22 June, but it was brought forward after no new cases were reported for 17 days.
Under the new rules, all schools and workplaces can open. Weddings, funerals and public transport can resume without any restrictions. Social distancing is no longer required but will be encouraged.
The country's borders remain closed to foreign travellers, and rules remain in place requiring New Zealanders arriving from abroad to go through a 14-day period of isolation or quarantine.
Ms Ardern warned that the country would "certainly see cases again", adding that "elimination is not a point in time, it is a sustained effort".
New Zealand has recorded 1,154 confirmed cases and 22 deaths from Covid-19 since the virus arrived in late February, but has been widely praised for its handling of the crisis.
For many, the latest announcement is a cause for celebration - but not without caution. Auckland-based lorry driver Patrick Weston told the BBC: "Everyone is so happy we're finally through this, but we're still nervous.
"I think the main thing people are worried about is the economy - so many people out of work, so many people looking for work at the same time.
"[On Tuesday] all restrictions are lifted and we can carry on as normal. Sporting events, music events can all take place with no restriction of numbers. We're still being encouraged to social distance of course, so we hope people will be sensible.
"We're happy, but nervous about the future."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52961539
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Tantrika]
#26735779 - 06/10/20 11:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sweden did not lock down, but their economy is plunging anyway Swedish government insists that their decision to not lock down was never about helping the economy and only about public health
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STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN -- Unlike most countries, Sweden never locked down during the coronavirus pandemic, largely keeping businesses operating, but the economy appears to be taking a hard hit nonetheless.
Under the Scandinavian country's controversial approach to the virus, cafes, bars, restaurants and most businesses remained open, as did schools for under-16s, with people urged to follow social distancing and hygiene guidelines.
Whatever hope there may have been that this policy would soften the economic blow now seems dashed.
"As in most of the world, there will be a record decline for the Swedish economy in Q2," SEB bank economist Olle Holmgren said.
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A rebound was likely in the latter part of the year, but "we expect it to take a long time before the situation normalises," he told AFP.
To be fair, Swedish officials insist their strategy was always aimed at public health, and never specifically at saving the economy.
The idea was to make sure hospitals could keep pace with the outbreak and protect the elderly and at-risk groups.
Sweden has succeeded at the former, but admitted failure at the latter, with more than three-quarters of virus deaths occurring among nursing home residents and those receiving care at home.
"When we have decided what measures to take to stop the virus from spreading, we have not had any economic considerations. We have followed the advice of our (public health) experts on this issue," Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson told reporters in late May.
Still, authorities acknowledge that keeping businesses open was also part of a broader public health consideration, as high unemployment and a weak economy typically lead to poorer public health.
Sweden, a country of 10.3 million, had reported 4,639 COVID-19 deaths as of Friday.
That gives it one of the world's highest virus mortality rates, with 459.3 deaths per million inhabitants -- four times more than neighbouring Denmark and 10 times more than Norway, which both imposed stricter confinement measures.
At first Sweden's export-heavy economy seemed to be doing okay, with GDP actually growing by 0.1 per cent in the first quarter.
But now the country is expected to follow the same path as most of Europe, with its economy shrinking for the full-year 2020 and unemployment soaring.
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GDP DOWN, UNEMPLOYMENT UP
In April, the government predicted GDP would contract by four percent in 2020, compared to its January forecast of 1.1 per cent growth.
While the European Commission has forecast a Swedish contraction of 6.1 per cent (compared to -6.5 per cent for Germany and -7.7 per cent for the eurozone), the outlook presented by the Swedish central bank is even more dire -- it anticipates a GDP decline of up to 10 per cent.
Some economists see Swedish growth rebounding as early as the second half of 2020, but the finance minister has warned things could get worse before they get better.
Before the crisis, Sweden's labour market was in good shape, with strong job creation and a declining unemployment rate.
Now, the government expects a jobless rate of nine percent for 2020 and 2021, compared to 6.8 per cent in 2019.
It sees growth of 3.5 per cent in 2021.
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Sweden's sharp downturn is largely explained by its dependence on exports, which account for around 50 per cent of GDP.
"70 per cent of Swedish exports go to the EU. Shutdowns in Germany, the U.K. and so on are expected to hit Swedish exports considerably," the government said.
In March, some of the country's biggest companies, such as automaker Volvo Cars and truckmaker Scania, halted production in Sweden.
This was not because of local restrictions, but because of problems with supply chains in Europe and the rest of the world. Their activities have since resumed.
Meanwhile, consumption plunged by 24.8 per cent between March 11 and April 5, according to a study conducted by four University of Copenhagen economists.
"Sweden is paying the same price (as Denmark) for the coronavirus pandemic. The explanation is that when you are in a galloping crisis, consumers pull the emergency brake, whether restaurants are closed or not," Niels Johannesen, one of the four economists, told Swedish daily Helsingborgs Dagblad.
The government in mid-March announced measures worth nearly $32 billion to help businesses.
Since then, more money has been allocated and new measures have been added, including a reduction of employers' contributions, as well as paying companies' costs for furloughed workers and sick leave.
"Given the state of government finances there is room for more expansionary fiscal policy ahead," Olle Holmgren promised.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/sweden-didn-t-lock-down-but-economy-to-plunge-anyway-1.4973195
and the top Swedish health scientist says the country could have handled the outbreak better and that if they had the information at the start that they have now, they would have gone further to lock things down
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STOCKHOLM -- Sweden's chief epidemiologist showed contrition Wednesday as criticism mounted over the Scandinavian country's hotly debated method of fighting the coronavirus, which has resulted in one of the highest death rates per capita in the world.
Sweden has stood out among European nations and the world for the way it has handled the pandemic, not shutting down the country or the economy like others but relying on citizens' sense of civic duty. Swedish authorities have advised people to practice social distancing, but schools, bars and restaurants have been kept open the entire time. Only gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned.
"I think there is potential for improvement in what we have done in Sweden, quite clearly," Anders Tegnell of the Public Health Agency told Swedish radio.
Sweden, a nation of 10.2 million people, has seen 4,468 deaths linked to COVID-19, which is far more than its Nordic neighbours and one of the highest death rates per capita in the world. Denmark has had 580 coronavirus deaths, Finland has seen 320 and Norway has had 237, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University.
"If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing precisely what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done," said Tegnell, considered the architect of the unique Swedish pandemic approach.
Authorities in Sweden, including Tegnell, have been criticized -- and have apologized -- for failing to protect the country's elderly and nursing home residents.
But Tegnell said Wednesday it was still unclear what the country should have done differently. He also said other nations are unable to tell exactly what measures affected the outcome of their outbreaks because they threw everything at it in one go.
"Maybe we know that now, when you start easing the measures, we could get some kind of lesson about what else, besides what we did, you could do without a total shutdown," Tegnell said.
Asked if the country's high death toll has made him reconsider his unique approach to the pandemic, Tegnell answered "yes, absolutely."
"I'm not walking around thinking that we have a real disaster here in Sweden," Jan Arpi, a 58-year-old sales executive, told The Associated Press. "I think we have it more or less under control, but we have to be even more careful now with the learning we have got from how the virus is spread, especially among the elderly people,"
Sweden's infection rate is 43.24 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants is lower than Spain's (58.06), and Italy's (55.39), but is higher than the reported rates in the United States (32.14) and Brazil (14.29), according to the Johns Hopkins University.
Last week, the country's former state epidemiologist, Annika Linde, said that in retrospect she believes an early lockdown could have saved lives while political pressure has forced the government to bring forward an investigation into the handling of the crisis.
The moves recommended by Tegnell have made Sweden a bit of a local pariah and didn't spare the Swedish economy. More than 76,000 people have been made redundant since the outbreak began and unemployment, which now stands at 7.9%, is expected to climb higher.
Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson has said Sweden's economy, which relies heavily on exports, will shrink 7% in 2020 and the Scandinavian country was headed for "a very deep economic crisis."
Last week, neighbouring Norway and Denmark said they were dropping mutual border controls but would keep Sweden out of a Nordic "travel bubble."
Danes said they will reopen the border next month to residents of neighbouring Germany, as well as to Norway and Iceland, as it accelerates the easing of its coronavirus lockdown. However, Denmark, which has a bridge that goes directly to Sweden, has postponed a decision on whether to reopen to Swedish visitors until after the summer.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/scientist-admits-sweden-could-have-battled-virus-better-1.4967014
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Obviously we can't really do direct country to country comparisons for a lot of places but it is interesting to see that a nation that locked down really well is restarting their economy while the one that never really closed down is having their economy tank
with the huge importance of global trade, it is not possible for any nation to have come through this in a vaccuum and not taken a hit and it is worth noting that Sweden did not avoid lockdown for the intent of preserving the economy but do think it bears some recognition that Sweden may actually face some additional economic hardship as its neighbours begin reopening shared borders with each other but exclude Sweden due to perceived increased health risks
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Tantrika]
#26735798 - 06/10/20 11:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Things are gonna go down hil pretty quickly in the US. Texas hospitalizations are exploding. Arizona ICU’s are at capacity.
Most new cases today:
California Texas Arizona Florida North Carolina Georgia
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#26735819 - 06/11/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yep Sweden's decisions have cost it's economy more and led to more deaths.
New Zealand did a great job 
We're going pretty good here, but if we had gone harder sooner we could have been talking a travel bubble with New Zealand and Fiji right now.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Long range forecasting of what?
It is a BIPRITASAN forecasting committee in congress. It helps them to pretend they are working.
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#26748055 - 06/16/20 01:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: I was just at the black lives matter protest at the White House and every single person was wearing a mask
So was this twerker BLM protester (until about the last 1/4 of the video):
https://twitter.com/UncleHotep/status/1272344724624617474
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Long range forecasting of what?
It is a BIPRITASAN forecasting committee in congress. It helps them to pretend they are working.
Members of congress in both parties have spouses who got some serious $ in the "small" business stimulus bailout. Congress is working pretty hard.
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DEXAMETHASONE - a cheap, ubiquitous life saving medicine for COVID-19
"A life-saving treatment for seriously-ill hospital patients with Covid-19 is being used across the UK from today, following breakthrough results in a UK trial".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53077893
It certainly is not the be all end all but its so effective its being emergency implemented in the UK treatment of COVID-19. Its an old, steroïdal medicine thats widely and cheaply available.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: DEXAMETHASONE - a cheap, ubiquitous life saving medicine for COVID-19
"A life-saving treatment for seriously-ill hospital patients with Covid-19 is being used across the UK from today, following breakthrough results in a UK trial".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53077893
It certainly is not the be all end all but its so effective its being emergency implemented in the UK treatment of COVID-19. Its an old, steroïdal medicine thats widely and cheaply available.
A steroid for a virus????That makes fuck all sense, steroids weaken the immune system which tends to make a virus have free reign. Too busy at work to do the research. Anything other then youtube?
"Steroids should be avoided in the treatment of the current novel coronavirus, experts have advised. A commentary article published in The Lancet concludes that, based on evidence from previous outbreaks of similar types of infection such as SARS, steroids provide little benefit to patients and could do more harm than good. They say that clinicians should still administer the treatment for conditions such as asthma and other inflammatory diseases. "
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Brian Jones said: On the Covid economy front I read this story earlier in the week. They made major revisions to the report a week ago. They now project that it will take until the 3rd quarter of 2029 to get back on pace to meet the estimates they made 5 months ago.
The economy here has gone 29 years straight without a recession, until now of course. The latest 'official' unemployment figures are around 7% with just under 1 million unemployed, depending on what data is included. If the people who have simply given up looking and are surviving ? somehow are added in, the figure is around 1.6 million people.
The thing is though, 6 million people are on the government's temporary JobKeeper handout. That's going to finish in September. 1 in 6 businesses are predicted to fall over and not return, so it's possible the number may rise by another million. Then we'd be seeing unemployment numbers like we haven't seen since the early 90's, possibly higher. I think this economic cluster fuck is only just beginning.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
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Haven't had one of these for a while

Had to fill out one of these to get my hands on one. Wasn't allowed to order at the bar, had to be seated.
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