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SavoryGravy
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#26694718 - 05/25/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's a misdemeanor. Is that what we're talking about for coronavirus?
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SavoryGravy
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
#26694731 - 05/25/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here's a lawyerly-type question:
If the government orders a business to close for coronavirus (using arbitrary and capricious rules), and the business goes out of business, is that not a taking requiring just compensation?
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People are morons and do things based off feelings. Many people are no more conscious than animals. Thats what the virus has shown.
I used to go out with the flu and noone minded. People that play into the fear are only creating a distopian world.
Its amazing that it wasnt a dangerous virus that made people into whinging faggots, it was just a bad flu.
Am I allowed to talk like an adult on the drug site? Or are bad words not allowed at all?
New user, just giving you a warning, this site is a place of arbitrary Judgment and terrible moderation. You shouldnt ever feel at home here. The most interesting people have been banned a long time ago, mostly for being interesting
It isnt giving AIDS that is legal, its 'not disclosing' it. So, realistically, giving AIDS is legal in california.
 You are asking good questions, though.
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koods
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SavoryGravy said: It's a misdemeanor. Is that what we're talking about for coronavirus?
So what should be the penatlty for intentionally exposing someone to a virus more deadly than HIV like coronavirus?
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it isnt giving AIDS that is legal, its 'not disclosing' it.
Right. If you have hiv but can’t infect anyone with it, what’s the problem?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#26694802 - 05/25/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The crime is in the knowing, malicious intent.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
#26694814 - 05/25/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’m just sussing out his logic. He seems to believe it should be a crime to not tell someone you’re HIV psotive even though you can’t infect anyone else, which is the current medical situation with people who are HIV positive but have no detectable virus.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#26694820 - 05/25/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cannot infect and extremely rare are two different things. Also people have been known to mess up taking their prescriptions
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Someone undetectable should have to tell under the unlikely event they can spread it. You still have the virus even if the load is low
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specialpeopleclub said: Someone undetectable should have to tell under the unlikely event they can spread it. You still have the virus even if the load is low
Yeah but you can’t infect someone if it’s so low it cannot be detected. This is settled science.
But now that we know we need to be extra careful to not spread deadly diseases, you agree we should all be wearing masks in the far more likey event you might spread the coronavirus to other people. Remember the coronavirus is far more deadly than HIV. HIV kills about 2500 people a year in the US. Coronavirus does that in two days. We should think about criminal penalties for not wearing a mask don’t you think?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#26695140 - 05/25/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The science doesnt mean shit. The chance of transfer isnt the issue. You are tainted
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The big part that y'all are missing is intent. One would have to have an intent to harm another person. Not wearing a mask could be for a lot of different reasons, the least likely of which is the intent to infect someone else.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
#26695168 - 05/25/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would expect to be harmed walking in traffic. Walking along side un-masked people I also expect I get sick now and then.
If you don't want the risk...
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
#26695176 - 05/25/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wearing a mask in public indoors has been mandatory around here for more than a month, but in the past two weeks I’ve noticed that outdoor mask wearing, which isn’t mandatory, has become the norm as well. Pretty much everyone is wearing masks everywhere now and you’re starting to get the sense of being a pariah if you don’t wear one.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#26695185 - 05/25/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Something being mandatory isn't the same as it being a crime not to do it.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
#26695199 - 05/25/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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In Maryland not wearing a mask where required is punishable with a fine and/or one year in prison and is enforced by local police. DC is similar.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#26695227 - 05/25/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just got Starbucks for the first time in two months.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#26695257 - 05/25/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Been a pariah a few times. I would have been open to it, but at this point ill cough on a cop before i wear a mask. And women should feel the same about bras.
Free the nips! Im not talking about WWII prisoners
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
#26695383 - 05/25/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Enlil said: The big part that y'all are missing is intent. One would have to have an intent to harm another person. Not wearing a mask could be for a lot of different reasons, the least likely of which is the intent to infect someone else.
I mentioned intent.
If someone comes up to me and coughs in my face while laughing about having covid, how could i assume anything but malicious intent to infect me and cause grave injury?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
#26695440 - 05/25/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Where's the imminence? Self defense almost always requires an imminent harm.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
#26695492 - 05/25/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wouldnt 'standing your ground' apply here?
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