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Kizzle said: Why would someone even assume these suicides are from the lockdown? People are losing loved ones, but no it must be because they have no one to talk to. If only the internet existed.
What would you assume is causing "a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks"?
Stress. Not just from things like people being out of work but also things like people going to work and finding out some of their coworkers have died. But they don't even mention that. It's all spun to sound like it's only from the lockdowns.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kizzle]
#26693998 - 05/25/20 12:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, fair enough. I thought you were arguing the suicides weren't related to coronavirus. My mistake.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: falcon]
#26694324 - 05/25/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: Why would someone even assume these suicides are from the lockdown? People are losing loved ones, but no it must be because they have no one to talk to. If only the internet existed.
What would you assume is causing "a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks"?
Give me some, numbers of the attempts, there's no way of knowing without if the number in the last four weeks is significant or just a blip, and there's other details we don't know, what kind of attempts were these as compared to the attempts that occur during the year. Without these details this story is just shit journalism. Not fake, just shit, tells you nothing except that the publishers of the shit are shithead sensationalist shits, shouldn't be writing for a living in the news world, but maybe writing shit romance novels for the YA reading impaired market.
How could you possibly record attempted suicides? Frequently the police or doctors aren't even involved.
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You can only record the ones people go to the hospital for or that they call and talk about.
Usually if you attempt you fuck yourself up in a way that requires medical attention.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kizzle] 2
#26694435 - 05/25/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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People commit suicide because they go to work and find that a coworker died.
That sounds plausible.
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Sometimes people try to kill themselves with pills and just wake up.
People who try to slit their wrists almost always end up in the hospital, but doctors say that the ones who lived were probably more "a call for help" than a real suicide attempt.
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An old manager of mine tried to kill himself by cutting his hand off. But "pussed out" as he put it because it hurt to bad. He did a good enough job that he passed out before the help arrived.
I know a few train suicides. There's no botching those.
I know of one survived gun attempt. And plenty of successful ones.
But not so many pill ones. I know a lot of girls who took a bunch of pills and a few that damaged their organs from it but no success stories.
One kid i barely knew in college mixed some pills and alcohol his girlfriend woke up snuggling a corpse. Not a suicide tho that one was just a oops
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I knew a girl who was on a really high pain med regimen because of a broken back and she decided she wanted to end it. She took a 30 days supply each of time released morphine (30), 10 mg Norco (120) and some antianxiety (60). She woke up and said she felt great. She lived because of her tolerance.
Many times heroin addicts accidently OD and die when they kick it for a while and then go back to it but don't have the tolerance.
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Serious question: At what point is one legally allowed to defend oneself from unmasked bioterrorists? Would they have to be screaming in one's face? Invading one's space? Trying to touch or remove one's mask?
What would the law consider an appropriate level of force? Could one use pepper spray to deter their bioattack? A six foot pole? A taser? Thrown rocks?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
#26694597 - 05/25/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you're talking about an actual bioattack, that's one thing. If you're talking about someone without a mask coming too close to you, that's a different thing. This is one place where you'll need to drop the rhetoric before anyone can give you an accurate and meaningful answer.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
#26694621 - 05/25/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If a Covidiot spits or coughs in my face, can I crack him in his head with my cane in self defense? I'm in NJ btw, not a stand your ground state, afaik.  . . .
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
#26694639 - 05/25/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Something like these:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/us/coronavirus-terrorism-nj.html
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The authorities said that Mr. Falcone leaned in close to the worker to cough and allegedly laughed, telling her that he was infected with the virus. Mr. Falcone later told two other store employees that they were lucky to have jobs, officials said.
Mr. Falcone was charged with making a terroristic threat in the third degree and fourth-degree of obstructing administration of law, Mr. Grewal said. Both charges are considered felonies in New Jersey.
deputy U.S. attorney general, Jeffrey A. Rosen, sent a memo to law enforcement heads and federal prosecutors warning them to be on the lookout for threats to spread the coronavirus. “You may encounter criminal activity ranging from malicious hoaxes to threats targeting specific individuals or the general public, to the purposeful exposure and infection of others with Covid-19,” Mr. Rosen wrote, using the name for the disease caused by the virus.
The memo said that such acts could potentially be prosecuted under federal terrorism laws because the virus was considered a “biological agent.”
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
#26694646 - 05/25/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Reasonable force in that situation would likely be a medium push at most. A duty to safely retreat would come into play as well.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
#26694662 - 05/25/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is it just people with coronavirus? What about other viruses or bacteria? We all have E. coli in our guts, are we all bioterrorists?
How bout people with mere colds or flu?
The coronavirus death rate estimates have dropped to about .25%. The flu death rate is about .1%.
So I guess we should judge whether someone is a bioterrorist by how big the death rate of the bug he's carrying is?
Bigger than the flu and you're a bioterrorist? Or does flu count too? 60,000+ deaths a year.
But giving folks AIDS is not criminal. In Cali, anyway.
It makes no sense at all.
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Intentionally giving someone a disease isn’t a crime?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#26694683 - 05/25/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That wasn't his question:
At what point is one legally allowed to defend oneself from unmasked bioterrorists? Would they have to be screaming in one's face? Invading one's space? Trying to touch or remove one's mask?
What would the law consider an appropriate level of force? Could one use pepper spray to deter their bioattack? A six foot pole? A taser? Thrown rocks?
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And giving folks AIDS isn't a crime in Cali, I'm told.
And what counts as intentional? Just going out in public while sick? Or do you have to tell someone you're giving them the disease? What if you aren't successful?
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Lots of unsuccessful crimes are still crimes.
Attempted murder, attempted robbery, so on and so on.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
#26694699 - 05/25/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Reasonable force in that situation would likely be a medium push at most. A duty to safely retreat would come into play as well.
So a swift kick to the face is out of the question then? bummer. I would think it a credible threat of death or permanent harm, thereby entitling me to immediately respond with corresponding force, especially if i were in a market with them blocking my egress, but that's why you're the lawyer and I'm just a guy.
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Do you commit the crime when you tell someone you're going to try to give it to them, or is the crime just going out in public around other people while sick?
And...it's not a death sentence. 1% chance of getting it in a casual encounter, and 1% or less chance of dying if you get it, unless you are old or compromised.
So a 1 in 1000 chance of dying from an encounter with a sick person.
Wait. 1 in 10,000.
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And giving folks AIDS isn't a crime in Cali, I'm told.
You’ve now said this twice and you don’t even know if it’s true
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