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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
    #26651151 - 05/05/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wait, first we need to know what we are lighting it with.

I suspect that there is a difference between the effects of lighting it with a bic versus a zippo versus a match.

Or, even better, a piece of burning coal, straight from a coal fired heater. Has anyone tried that yet?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #26651153 - 05/05/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Make sure whomever decides....that one is in a three point stance.



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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26651154 - 05/05/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No, but there's more evidence that would work than there is that hydroxychloroquine does.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26651163 - 05/05/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Make sure whomever decides....that one is in a three point stance.






Jetpack?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
    #26651176 - 05/05/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you need to wait for the gasoline to pour out the colon, or can I light it as soon as I drink?



This is the kind of outside the box thinking that the White House is looking for.

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Enlil said:
This is why we need a study.



Studies are for fags and democrats


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #26651179 - 05/05/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Excellent.  Thank you for volunteering!


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #26651180 - 05/05/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Wait, first we need to know what we are lighting it with.

I suspect that there is a difference between the effects of lighting it with a bic versus a zippo versus a match.

Or, even better, a piece of burning coal, straight from a coal fired heater. Has anyone tried that yet?



You need a very strong lighter, on the inside


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #26651189 - 05/05/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The strongest, biggest, greatest lighter?

Feel like this is your wheelhouse, koods.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #26651198 - 05/05/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A very powerful lighter. Some would say tremendous even.
A lighter the likes of which the world has never seen.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #26651222 - 05/05/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think many people not me, would say this virus is maybe, maybe even stronger than Donald Trump.

A young man came up to him and said 'Sir, you are stronger than this Chinese Wooohan virus' at least that's what they're telling me he said I don't know.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] * 1
    #26651296 - 05/05/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v2

This study should have put this whole issue to bed.

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CONCLUSIONS: In this study, we found no evidence that use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with Covid-19. An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine




27% of the HC treated patients died while only 11% of the no HC patients died.

This was a fairly large study done run by a US government agency



There are better controlled trials underway. It's one thing to stop recommending a drug be used due to possible risks. That doesn't mean those risks have been proven conclusively.

IMO, think there was enough evidence to justify the trials in the first place but I guess being president gives you that kind of influence even if you're an idiot.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: oculodextro]
    #26651400 - 05/05/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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All you have ever seen are studies in-vitro. Nothing is conclusive in human studies.



Yes, I know that.  I never said anything was conclusive yet.  In fact, I said:
it's being tested in clinical trials to find out if it works as well as claimed
no one said this study would definitively work - it's a study.
I'm not even saying it will work - I'm saying let's not be frightened to research it

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These drugs are fucking terrible, I deal with patients going blind from them on the regular. If they work they work, but I'm assuming they won't based on their long standing history.



Patients went blind from a doctor's prescription?!?  Because I already said "the FDA has issued a warning against using it outside of a hospital setting".


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26651411 - 05/05/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Patients went blind from a doctor's prescription?!?




Doctors routinely prescribe near lethal doses of very, very, toxic chemicals.

That's the entire theory of chemotherapy. Poison someone and hope the tumor dies before the person does.

Of course, when someone is dying of cancer, that's a pretty good trade. Would you be willing to risk 90% chance of death to avoid 100% chance of death?

Now, let's give that same 90% chance of death drug to someone who's got a virus with a, what, 2-5% mortality rate? Still wanna take that trade?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26651418 - 05/05/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The FDA issued that warning because the study results show its worse than doing nothing. Unfortunately the FDA cannot legally prevent doctors from prescribing any approved medication as they see fit


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #26651423 - 05/05/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Vitamin B-17 will cure every disease known to mankind. A few unknown ones as well, I'd wager.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #26651426 - 05/05/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Source, or make believe? (second time I'm asking)



https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v2

This study should have put this whole issue to bed.

Quote:

CONCLUSIONS: In this study, we found no evidence that use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with Covid-19. An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine






Yes, I already responded "not hydrochloroquine by itself.  Zelensky's cocktail consisted of hydrochloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc sulfate."

Got a study showing that cocktail should be put to bed?  :popcorn:


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #26651439 - 05/05/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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Patients went blind from a doctor's prescription?!?




Doctors routinely prescribe near lethal doses of very, very, toxic chemicals.

That's the entire theory of chemotherapy. Poison someone and hope the tumor dies before the person does.

Of course, when someone is dying of cancer, that's a pretty good trade. Would you be willing to risk 90% chance of death to avoid 100% chance of death?

Now, let's give that same 90% chance of death drug to someone who's got a virus with a, what, 2-5% mortality rate? Still wanna take that trade?



Who is giving people this cocktail while they are only in the 2-5% mortality range?

I previously said "Maybe it won't be used on a prophylactic basis, maybe it will only be used on people who have already developed pneumonia"


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (05/05/20 06:50 PM)


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #26651442 - 05/05/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I was thinking cold.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26651498 - 05/05/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Do you know what the medrxiv is used for?

Do you know how to provide journals that are conducted in a non-biased way? Do you know how to read the journal and make sure that the author isn't persuading you with their biases? Was the study even conducted in a sound scientific ways. Do the sources the authors provide even correlate to what they are trying to persuade you to believe?

You're linking a pre-print "Caution: Preprints are preliminary reports of work that have not been certified by peer review. They should not be relied on to guide clinical practice or health-related behavior and should not be reported in news media as established information."


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: oculodextro]
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