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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Warrk]
#27538746 - 11/11/21 04:08 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Why can’t this guy give exact number? It’s always so vague. 60% sucks. Moderna is over 85% six months out.
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Petrovsky declines to add further detail on efficacy data as the manuscript is currently being translated from Farsi to English.

You really believe this?
He claims 88 infection events but refuses to say how many were in each group. You don’t need a translator for that. His numbers suck and that’s why they’ve never released any of them ever.
You’re so gullible
The university Petrovsky is based at is a no frills, no name one.
It is not ranked in the top 5, top 10, or even top 20 universities in Australia but is at number 23. That's out of 43 recognised Australian universities.
Placing Covax-19 and Vaxine in this context perhaps paints a clearer picture.
As for Flinders University.
"Ranked in the top 2% of world universities[1], it is number one in South Australia for teaching quality, student support, student/teacher ratio and undergraduate starting salary.[2] https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/flinders-university"
So top rank Australian university is the aim?
I did an undergrad at the ANU which has long been ranked the best university in Australia and a masters online in GIS/RS through CSU. I don't believe a so called ranking has all of the picture when the ANU didn't have such a masters, let alone online, nor 10 years ago when I was doing it.
I recall petro-engineers, geologists, environmental scientists and military geospatial analysts, who, like me, were travelling interstate and OS and needed a course with TCP/IP access to fit in around our work life spatial roles (we'd chat in the forums on what we did).
Yet, CSU ranks 28, 5 behind Flinders University. So I'm not sure on your point, perhaps university snobbery?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Oz_Salvia]
#27538757 - 11/11/21 04:37 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here’s my prediction if we hear the breakdown of the two groups. 58 infections in the vaccine group and 30 infections in the control group. With 3:1 ratio vaccine:control split, that equates to about 65% efficacy.
If you run the z score on that it’s p score is over .044 and that’s not statistically significant, which is why the Iranians said it had estimated efficacy of 60-65%
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Oz_Salvia]
#27538758 - 11/11/21 04:38 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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University snobbery could be right, I went to Melbourne Uni and the lab I was involved in was a world leader and our head of department went on to become the Chairman of CSIRO. I'd never heard of Flinders University and did not know of its existence. For me, the ANU, Melbourne Uni, Sydney Uni and a couple of others are top tier and the rest are forgettable in the fields I am interested in.
When you first brought Petrovsky to our attention, it was this article you shared that was the clincher in terms of raising a red flag:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/covid-19-vaccine-developer-facing-sack-after-refusing-jabs/100587356
I highlight here the discrepancies and contradictions which painted Petrovsky as less than impeccable.
The title of the article:
"COVID-19 vaccine developer facing sack after refusing jabs because he's had his own".
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He said he had been administered with COVAX-19 and was disinclined to have any other dose.
"That could be very dangerous to do. There is no data on what would happen if you had a full course of one vaccine and then had another course of another kind of vaccine," he told ABC Radio Adelaide's David Bevan.
"Normally you would have to do clinical trials to establish the safety of that approach."
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SA Best MLC Frank Pangallo was part of the COVAX-19 trial in Adelaide last year and then received his first AstraZeneca jab.
Just before getting the AstraZeneca vaccine he called Professor Petrovsky who, Mr Pangallo said, told him he "couldn't see it being an obstacle to having it".
"I did not have any side effects from Professor Petrovsky's vaccine, nor did I have any from the AstraZeneca first shot," Mr Pangallo said.
That sort of contradiction suggests to me that Petrovsky is not trustworthy and is playing games.
Having said all that, I do hope he has success with COVAX-19 and that Australia gets its own home-grown vaccine without relying on imports.
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#27538760 - 11/11/21 04:41 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doesn’t really help the argument if a high quality university is trying to fire the guy
By making the appeal to authority saying we should trust the judgment to hire him, then we should trust their judgment when they want him fired
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27538774 - 11/11/21 05:03 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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He should just get jabbed with any of the TGA-approved vaccines, and get it done and over with.
The drama he is creating is perhaps a way of getting attention and free advertising for his vaccine? A vaccine that he cannot otherwise promote because he has no data to show, or the data is confidential, or the articles he has submitted are still in the review process?
Everything hangs on the data so the quicker these come to light the better for everyone involved, unless the data is not that impressive.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27538786 - 11/11/21 05:23 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: He already raised over 400k
Did he promise to file? He doesn’t have the necessary data to file. What if his vaccine sucks and it wouldn’t make it through approval? He doesn’t have to return that money. And he doesn’t give the people who donated a stake. It’s essentially free money for him to do as he pleases.
Don’t you find it suspicious at all that he won’t give hard numbers? That article said there were 88 infections so far, but he won’t say how many in each group. The number 88 comes from adding the two groups. Those two numbers exist, but he won’t say what they are. Just vague better than 60%. You know what that means. Barely better.
Btw, Israel is now showing the booster preventing 90-96% of infections depending on age group, and over 98% of severe infections.
Again, my question to you is this: to what end?
If it's all bullshit he'll make zero dough out of getting to market because the product won't pass muster with the TGA.
Then what?
Oh, off his alleged gofundme rort eh? FYI the gofundme is currently just over at $550k AUD (~$407k USD).
Let's say he gets that pumped to 1-million AUD on the gofundme and he legs it. Well, it wouldn't be enough to mitigate being persona non grata, having lost his name, professor tenure, academic standing, loss of all prestigious research awards, friends and even family. His reputation would be in the dirt as he'd face a backlash.
You should also note the gofundme policy on fraud. He wouldn't get far trying that. https://www.gofundme.com/c/safety/fraudulent-campaigns
Listen up. 1-mil AUD is not much in Australia these days given property prices. My owned, no mortgage, hinterland acreage is worth more. Many Gen-X'ers like me have done well. My total assets are over 5-mil AUD and in current US exchange that's over 3.7-mil USD. I know a number of people personally who have done far better just because they're similarly aged, earned more and invested earlier/smarter. Not too outlandish, 1 in 10 adult Australians are millionaires. https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/one-in-10-australian-adults-are-millionaires-says-report-20210622-p5833t
Now that wasn't to brag it's to give context i.e. if some allegedly "gullible" chap like me can do that LEGALLY and be retired at about the same age as the professor in question, who'd needless to say would have over the years accrued a whole lot more through academic tenure to compound and grow, then he'd certainly have millions at least and a very nice indexed pension for life. You really think he'd jeopardise that and his whole reputation for some a gofundme swindle? Perhaps even go to gaol. Really?! No way I would!
So, please explain the motive driving the actions of a fraud?
And like I said before, it would be prudent to wait and see. Of course, you can contact him and his colleagues to press on the unseen numbers (you have their email addresses). Have you done so yet?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Warrk]
#27538827 - 11/11/21 06:20 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Warrk said: University snobbery could be right, I went to Melbourne Uni and the lab I was involved in was a world leader and our head of department went on to become the Chairman of CSIRO. I'd never heard of Flinders University and did not know of its existence. For me, the ANU, Melbourne Uni, Sydney Uni and a couple of others are top tier and the rest are forgettable in the fields I am interested in.
* snip * on speculations.
Having said all that, I do hope he has success with COVAX-19 and that Australia gets its own home-grown vaccine without relying on imports.
I would have thought if you were in a researching role you would have come across his name given he has over 26-thousand citations. https://scholar.google.com.au/citations?user=S04VpOsAAAAJ
And yes I agree on seeing a home-grown vaccine. It would be ideal if the country were more than just a quarry and a farm.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Oz_Salvia]
#27538842 - 11/11/21 06:37 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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then he'd certainly have millions at least
If he has millions, then what’s the gofundme for? Essentially the godundme is venture capital. If he had confidence in his product and he’s a millionaire then he should fund it himself or offer equity to investors.
That money belongs to him no matter what happens. If his vaccine works then he got someone else to pay for the application, and he gets to reap all the profits. If the vaccine sucks and he doesn’t apply for approval, then he keeps the gofundme.
Don’t discount the power of ego. He legitimately wants his vaccine to be successful and he legitimately needs that money to apply, so he’s in denial about the true state of affairs, which is that a preliminary set of data points to a 65% efficacy rate, but the uncertainly level is still high. Do you think 65% after less than two months is a blockbuster vaccine when the other ones have 80-85% six months out?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Oz_Salvia]
#27538850 - 11/11/21 06:50 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Warrk said: University snobbery could be right, I went to Melbourne Uni and the lab I was involved in was a world leader and our head of department went on to become the Chairman of CSIRO. I'd never heard of Flinders University and did not know of its existence. For me, the ANU, Melbourne Uni, Sydney Uni and a couple of others are top tier and the rest are forgettable in the fields I am interested in.
* snip * on speculations.
Having said all that, I do hope he has success with COVAX-19 and that Australia gets its own home-grown vaccine without relying on imports.
I would have thought if you were in a researching role you would have come across his name given he has over 26-thousand citations. https://scholar.google.com.au/citations?user=S04VpOsAAAAJ
And yes I agree on seeing a home-grown vaccine. It would be ideal if the country were more than just a quarry and a farm.
I’ve already said he appears to be a fairly competent scientist. But it seems he’s gone astray. He had good idea. He started a company to make vaccine adjuvants and had an idea about using some plant substance in a novel way. Over the years they’ve tried his adjuvant in dozens of vaccine candidates and NONE of them have reached the market until Iran approved the covid vaccine. His company is finished if this vaccine fails. He’s clearly out of money. He has no product. He’s desperate.
He latched onto the antivaxx movement. He promoted his “safe old school” vaccine by trying to trash the other vaccine makers. Aside from the fact that he was developing his own vaccine, he was antivax. He managed to get the support of antivaxxers, and they are really gullible people. He’s been stringing them along. Extracting what he can
If you can’t get a good efficacy rate with a protein based vaccine, it’s usually adjuvant to blame. A poor result will be another failure of the product he’s spent 20 years working on. Scientists get very attached to their own hypotheses, and aren’t willing to acknowledge failure.
The fact that his ideas about a vaccine are mainstream, there has to be some reason why venture capital has no interest in him. A good vaccine would sell well. Obviously potential investors know it’s not good.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Oz_Salvia]
#27538898 - 11/11/21 07:55 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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The National Electricity Market (NEM) as it stands is huge in spatial spread encompassing all of SA, Vic, NSW, ACT, Tas and QLD, and runs at a loss on thinly spread and peripheral regional populations in the chain. This is partly why large solar arrays e.g. in west NSW have been LCOE profitable hence getting PPE's. They also have the asset of high intensity sun radiation.
There will also be, as the industry calls it, a 'vortex of death'. As more leave the grid by buying their own solar coupled with batteries the remaining pool will be paying an increasing proportion for aging infrastructure (i.e. lines, stations, substations, mini-pillars ect). This will see to more make the move off the grid. In turn there will be smaller grids set up at city and subdivision scale, and they may well have their 100% renewable generation interstate as the ACT does.
The primary interconnectors are likely to stay between key population cities but the expense of the rest is not viable as PV and batteries get cheaper. None the less even a trimmed grid would be able to harvest wind and solar in the north for the south and vice-versa as they have different weather patterns. Add in pumped hydro as storage and it can be reliable. If the South West Interconnector System were connected to what remains of the NEM then solar e.g. from Sydney could boil the kettle for people in Perth before their morning sun rises. Perth in turn could provide power for a/c after the sun sets on the east. NT, which is not connected to any national grid, could export vast PV power to Asia. This has all been well understood by the ANU Energy Change Institute.
The days of big coal plants feeding massive and unrequired base load are over (despite the LNP's games), same as the big grid. Disaggregation is strength and renewables by emissions targets will lead that. It also means the CCP can't as readily cyber attack and knock out power and comms. A kick off volley of such an attack might be open the Tas hydro dams to dump all the water (fuel) and much of the south east will be unable to meet critical 50 mhz frequency. The grid as it stands is not as robust as people think. The AEMO workshops I attended back in 2016 were sobering.
Let me quickly clear up a couple of misconceptions you seem to have starting with one I clear up regularly with Victorian and NSW immigrants. NSW and Victoria's electricity networks are fucked ok, they've been fucked for a long time and they were fucked by previous state governments of both sides, due to privatisation. Simple as that. Qld's power network on the other hand runs at a profit, even though we have the largest area to cover. Qld's power network is still majority state owned and our power is cheap, unlike the southern states.
And this 'vortex of death' is another story that isn't going to happen, it simply won't. I've been installing batteries since 2014 and so far I've disconnected 1 person's house from the grid. It's a completely ridiculous proposition to claim that people will be 'leaving the grid in droves' and that's before electric vehicles are added to the equation.
Yes there will be increasing numbers of far flung communities with their own renewable powered micro grids, there is now, but can you seriously imagine doing something similar in Brisbane with 3 million people... 1 million back up generators... 
Coal fired power stations are doomed but the best back up generator you could ever want (slaps the bonnet) the grid, is not going anywhere. It's going to be powered differently and the batteries aren't going to all be lithium but it's here to stay.
I do agree with the idea of more interconnectors but I can almost hear the West Australians blubbering about it now "who'll bloody pay for it" and "why do we bloody need to share our bloody sunshine with the Eastern States, it's our sunshine, just like all this bloody iron ore, it's all ours"
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#27538933 - 11/11/21 08:21 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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If he has millions, then what’s the gofundme for? Essentially the godundme is venture capital. If he had confidence in his product and he’s a millionaire then he should fund it himself or offer equity to investors.
First up, few people hold liquid assets in large sum and for good reason as bank interest rates are piss poor and inflation is rising. My dough is invested and his would be too. It's the only way to get double digit percentage growth. It's time in the market not timing the market.
Secondly, the normal process is the Commonwealth Government funds the fee to the TGA (which is part of the Commonwealth Government being the Federal Department of Health) and not the Professor. It's not private money that does this. Until now on the Professor.
The reason behind that is CSL which was wholly government owned was privatised back in the 1990's. Strangely tax payers continue to fund CSL and the shareholders make money including large positions by nothing less than insider trading bureaucrats and politicians who needless to say have seen their fortunes of millions rise throughout COVID i.e. CSL this month is at a 52 week high. Last thing they want is to lose market share to a potential competitor hence the TGA stonewall. If that's not a conflict of interest then what is? Hey, here's a piss take just on that. https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/greg-hunt-says-government-wouldve-picked-pfizer-if-they-hadnt-all-just-bought-csl-shares/
Yet it's the Australian tax payers who are losing out on a potential Australian made product particularly when they've been funding the Federal Government which forks out the money to cover the fees to TGA and to the tune of a billion dollars to CSL! https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/taxpayers-csl-to-build-vaccine-manufacturing-plant-20201115-p56esf
I could speak at length on Federal and State corruption; however the young, funny and smart fellah, friendlyjordies, does a far better and entertaining job doing just that. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2-i3KuYoODXsM99Z3-Gm0A
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That money belongs to him no matter what happens.
Not the case. This is not the scam of crowd funding for Trump's wall. The money is on the proviso he gets his product over the line with the TGA per their fee which means acceptance by the TGA. If he fails to get that then the money people have donated will go back to their respective accounts. Every donator, even the anonymous ones, have accounts. In plain speak the funds are held in Trust by GoFundMe until conditions are met. It hinges on that.
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If his vaccine works then he got someone else to pay for the application, and he gets to reap all the profits.
In a fair world the Federal Government would fund the TGA fee instead of insiders looking after their dodgy pecuniary interests in CSL.
But yes, if he does get his product to market by the TGA accepting the crowd funding money to pay the fee then he gets rich off the vaccine sales. I have no problems with that. A new Australian made vaccine is fine by me. More choices, more competition, less monopoly.
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If the vaccine sucks and he doesn’t apply for approval, then he keeps the gofundme.
See above - that's not the case.
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Don’t discount the power of ego.
Ego drives all successful people whether it be for wealth, to be the best in their field, to beat their last personal best in cycling - whatever blows one's hair back? For the people with no drive they have no ego and instead have depression issues and a sense of hopelessness. Some of boards on this shroomery are awash in it hence they've turned to opiate and stimulant drugs or sadly have become so from such drugs. Ego implies braggarts but I've met a lot of very humble people and they have a drive inside based on a high sense of self ability because they are good at what they do. They just don't crow it. Yes, the professor has ego. Is he good at what he does? I will say he's garnered a lot of support.
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He legitimately wants his vaccine to be successful and he legitimately needs that money to apply, so he’s in denial about the true state of affairs, which is that a preliminary set of data points to a 65% efficacy rate, but the uncertainly level is still high. Do you think 65% after less than two months is a blockbuster vaccine when the other ones have 80-85% six months out?
I'm not going to go into speculation on his numbers. It's not my field and more to the point there is no data publicly available for you to trawl over. Whether that becomes available over the next few months or so is really the issue.
I will say yes, he wants his vaccine to be successful. And yes, he requires the money to meet the TGA fee. If he attempts to swindle the crowd funding which is unlikely because it's held in Trust, he deserves to go to gaol, lose his tenure, be stripped of his indexed pension and face a hefty fine only a property sale would meet.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Oz_Salvia]
#27538974 - 11/11/21 08:53 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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First up, few people hold liquid assets in large sum and for good reason as bank interest rates are piss poor and inflation is rising. My dough is invested and his would be too. It's the only way to get double digit percentage growth. It's time in the market not timing the market.
So he can’t give his company the cash infusion it needs because he doesn’t want to sell any of his easily liquidated assets. That sounds like someone who has no confidence in his company.
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Not the case. This is not the scam of crowd funding for Trump's wall. The money is on the proviso he gets his product over the line with the TGA per their fee which means acceptance by the TGA. If he fails to get that then the money people have donated will go back to their respective accounts. Every donator, even the anonymous ones, have accounts. In plain speak the funds are held in Trust by GoFundMe until conditions are met. It hinges on that.
I see no language on their page that says anything of the sort. Maybe you could show us.
He’s now raised the goal to $1,000,000 to help pay for the clinical trials.
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#27539000 - 11/11/21 09:20 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not going to go into speculation on his numbers. It's not my field and more to the point there is no data publicly available for you to trawl over. Whether that becomes available over the next few months or so is really the issue.
It’s actually not speculations. One of your articles said there were 88 infections Iran based their emergency approval on. A quote from someone in Iran said that the efficacy was estimated to be 60-65%. They also said the study vaccine group sIze was three times larger than the control group size. They said 17,000 total enrolled.
With that information I calculated 58 infections in the vaccine group and 30 in the control. 63% efficacy P value .044
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I don’t think he is. He’s hasn’t produced a single successful product in 18 years
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#27539005 - 11/11/21 09:29 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Vortex of death won't ever happen, but I could see wealthier people that can afford to go off grid doing so. Ish. I expect that they will pass some sort of legal backup plan that requires the infrastructure to be maintained so if their off grid generators fail they can hook up again with minimal discomfort.
This will almost certainly raise prices for poor people and city dwellers, but that's pretty standard practice nowadays. Privatize gains, socialize losses.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
#27539628 - 11/11/21 05:41 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Where is the line drawn between reasonable skepticism, questioning or desire to preserve civil liberties and 'anti-science' or 'anti-vax'? I find it ironic that skepticism and questioning lead one to be considered 'anti-science'. Legit question though I think this is going to be a tough and interesting issue for society to resolve going forward. This is not limited to just COVID, and I think it's a really interesting issue. And there's a parallel issue of the conviction with which one holds their beliefs.
Being 'anti-science' is a two way street and by ignorantly conforming your thoughts to whatever consensus is dominant, you're very clearly not behaving in a way that corresponds to the scientific method.. Science is not about blindly accepting consensus. I think the crux of the issue is the difference in institutions and systems people trust personally (i.e, Alex Jones providing anecdotal evidence is not a valid source, nor is some crappy facebook post). We outsource truth finding to institutions we trust, and 'anti-science' people tend not to consider them as trustworthy. It doesn't mean they're dumb or 'anti-science' necessarily. For example, when considering their financial incentives, I think it's reasonable to be skeptical of the conclusions Big Pharma may draw from studies they've financed, and it's fair to oppose a monopoly on truth as well, imo. But that's just how the game theory checks out at times unfortunately.
Further, most people simply aren't equipped to meaningfully read scientific papers, especially in fields outside of their domains. A good number of people struggle with basic reading comprehension, logic and arithmetic. Almost any study will require a knowledge of statistics, something infamously easy to deceive with, and any reading should be done with the goal of finding problems, alternative explanations, or other flaws - not parroting the conclusion, or even worse, drawing conclusions the authors didn't. This is hard and demanding work.
An interesting phrase might be 'anti-conspiracy' to describe what it feels like being on the receiving end of the stick. As if any idea that deviates from 'mainstream' consensus (which is, ironically, disproportionately influenced by a handful of small entities) is categorically false.
But I am curious what talking points you'd consider strictly 'anti-science' or 'anti-vax', and to what extent are you willing to change your own stance, when provided with sufficient evidence? Do you require 'expert consensus' to form or validate your opinions? Will you look at data or read studies yourself and try to poke holes in conclusions? Will you entertain other thoughts or viewpoints without lazily pigeon-holing others as anti-science?
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#27539850 - 11/11/21 09:21 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm expecting an exponential increase of tuberculosis cases that will earn it pandemic tag. As result of the foot dragging on vaccinating everyone in the world for Covid-19 that is willing there's gonna a be a large population of immune compromised survivors that are going to be the touch points for the rest of the populace. This may fuck with China sooner than the US.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27539858 - 11/11/21 09:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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First up, few people hold liquid assets in large sum and for good reason as bank interest rates are piss poor and inflation is rising. My dough is invested and his would be too. It's the only way to get double digit percentage growth. It's time in the market not timing the market.
So he can’t give his company the cash infusion it needs because he doesn’t want to sell any of his easily liquidated assets. That sounds like someone who has no confidence in his company.
Why would I, if I were in his position, opt to selling off a known revenue stream investment to fund something else, if I had a load of public support? Go read the GoFundMe comments and they're more than happy to donate. Sounds like you're unhappy for his success at garnering support. Clearly the Federal Government are along with their TGA wing and CSL gig.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27539863 - 11/11/21 09:46 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not the case. This is not the scam of crowd funding for Trump's wall. The money is on the proviso he gets his product over the line with the TGA per their fee which means acceptance by the TGA. If he fails to get that then the money people have donated will go back to their respective accounts. Every donator, even the anonymous ones, have accounts. In plain speak the funds are held in Trust by GoFundMe until conditions are met. It hinges on that.
I see no language on their page that says anything of the sort. Maybe you could show us.
He’s now raised the goal to $1,000,000 to help pay for the clinical trials.
And what's the problem with him raising money for that? His donators are clearly more than happy to support his fee for the TGA and whatever else he requires. Go read the comments.
It's not like he'll be pocketing it to a hookers and whisky fund (i.e. financial or personal gain). Unless you know otherwise?
If you feel he's being fraudulent you can write to GoFundMe, state your reasons and see how that pans out - if you feel it is all scam?
https://www.gofundme.com/en-au/c/safety/fraudulent-campaigns
"GoFundMe is dedicated to empowering people to help people and we do this by carefully reviewing each campaign on our platform. An overwhelming majority of campaigns on the site are safe and legitimate, as fraudulent campaigns make up less than one-tenth of 1% of all campaigns on GoFundMe.
In the rare instance that someone does create a misleading campaign with the intention of taking advantage of others’ generosity, GoFundMe takes swift action to resolve the issue.
Our policy is simple and strictly enforced: it is not permitted to lie or intentionally deceive donors on GoFundMe for financial or personal gain."
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Oz_Salvia] 1
#27539878 - 11/11/21 10:18 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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+1 for the Friendlie Jordies link, good posting
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