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Mach z 800
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christopera said: Lockdowns for cops? Lock them up!
no the whole country needs to be back on lock down. Covid is out of control, hospitals are overwhelmed an more people are dying from Covid each day. I hardly see any one wearing a mask any more on top of that.
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koods
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The demographic shift of covid is pretty stunning. The antivax movement has turned covid into a disease of middle aged white southerners. The proportion of white fatalities doubled in the most recent wave compared to the first wave
Covid's casualties: How the pandemic shifted South and hit a younger and whiter population
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Mach z 800
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27527364 - 11/02/21 10:21 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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More of reason for us to back to a full lock down until everyone gots the vaccine. Especially since there is no herd immunity with covid.
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anatomality
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Lock me down daddy, I need safety.
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Stable Genius
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No need for more lockdowns. A short stay in the dole cue, yessir, guaranteed to cure those afflicted with anti-vax ailments and spurious bouts of ignoramity.
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A panel of three federal appeals judges (Republican appointees) temporarily stopped Biden's vaccine mandate for large employers in response to a lawsuit filed by Louisiana's Attorney General. The panel said there was "cause to believe there are grave statutory and constitutional issues with the mandate", and the court will continue studying the legalities. Ultimately, I think this will be decided by the progression path of the disease.
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Oz_Salvia
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Stable Genius said: Preppers, conspiracy nuts, ant-vaxers they’re the majority of people going off grid or installing batteries on grid before the government starts “controlling the power” it’s been illuminating listening to these otherwise seemingly normal people with completely crazy ideas. It’s difficult keeping a straight face and keeping my big mouth shut listening to them… it’s like tripping into the Twilight Zone
Forget the motives on why they've chosen to get off the grid, the fact that they are makes sense. Why pay scandalous water bills to have a garden? I've chosen a high rainfall climate and it's all raintank and bore water supply. My hotwater is solar, and my power is free from PV given I get 20 cents FiT (yep, SEQ). Cost of living is a whole lot cheaper than in the south. I have a transfer switch and a gen plus fuel and I need to for storm season which is again here. I grow much of my own food and trade with locals on what I don't have. You can in this warmer climate and Queenslanders are certainly friendlier than the south esp. the neurotic pubes of the ACT. Once the LCOE of batteries gets in acceptable price range I'll get them.
Btw, there are any number of reasons how a system can break down. Cyber or terrorist attacks, civil unrest, union strikes esp. trucking, natural disasters, COVID panic buying and the endless lockdowns choking supply chains, to name a few. I wouldn't write off people preparing for possible scenarios as whackjobs.
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koods
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Oz_Salvia] 1
#27534039 - 11/07/21 04:37 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Baby hitler posted about a prepper on YouTube who died of covid, although you would never know it based on the information on his channel. The family refused to release any info about his death, just that he stopped making videos and he and his wife were very sick. Seems to me if you are obsessed about apocalyptic type threats, denying the existence of a global pandemic isn’t very preppy.
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Kryptos
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27534042 - 11/07/21 04:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's assuming you think preppers are worried about the collapse of society, and not simply involved in a very specific type of consumerist hobby.
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koods
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
#27534044 - 11/07/21 04:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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It’s the delusion of individualism.
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Oz_Salvia
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27534068 - 11/07/21 04:53 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Baby hitler posted about a prepper on YouTube who died of covid, although you would never know it based on the information on his channel. The family refused to release any info about his death, just that he stopped making videos and he and his wife were very sick. Seems to me if you are obsessed about apocalyptic type threats, denying the existence of a global pandemic isn’t very preppy.
And who is denying a global pandemic?
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Oz_Salvia
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27534074 - 11/07/21 04:54 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: It’s the delusion of individualism.
So growing organic healthy produce, not paying for water, and power is free, is delusional?
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koods
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#27534077 - 11/07/21 04:57 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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There’s a lot of overlap between the prepper demographic and covid denier demographic. That guys final video was him coughing up a lung saying it was seasonal allergies.
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#27534083 - 11/07/21 04:59 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oz_Salvia said:
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koods said: It’s the delusion of individualism.
So growing organic healthy produce, not paying for water, and power is free, is delusional?
preppers are kinda nuts
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Kryptos
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#27534102 - 11/07/21 05:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oz_Salvia said:
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koods said: It’s the delusion of individualism.
So growing organic healthy produce, not paying for water, and power is free, is delusional?
Delusional, perhaps not.
Selfish, antisocial, and short-sighted, I can see convincing arguments for.
But, off-grid living is still a symptom of the delusion of individualism, which is a carefully crafted mindset. Whether you admit it or not, you almost certainly owe your life to society.
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#27534106 - 11/07/21 05:18 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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"I bought solar panels and a generator, I don't need society" Is kinda a paradox ya see?
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Oz_Salvia
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Lynnch]
#27534196 - 11/07/21 06:41 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: "I bought solar panels and a generator, I don't need society" Is kinda a paradox ya see?
I can see there's a paradox in that one is using what the rat race created to get away from the rat race.
But ask yourself this, if you had the dough to live in a warm climate, in a rainforest hinterland, in a nice home on acreage, with mountain views around, horses and super green farmland, lots of fresh farm gate produce for sale, frog and bird song, magnificent Red Cedars and massive Ficus trees, and never need to slave for others, or do a 9-to-5 grind, or worry about money at all, and do this young; would you stay in the rat race scene? Would you keep working only to lose it in more tax? Yes, decisions, decisions.
I can assure you in my garden not only does Psilocybe cubensis show up on horse manure over the summer wet season, P.subaeruginosa does on Pinus wood chip over the winter, and Salvia divinorum naturalises by soil layering, as does Papaver somniferum which readily self seeds. You can fork up potatoes at the same time as pull down a banana bunch. It's a horticultural nirvana on deep red volcanic soil. No doubt Cannabis would naturalise too as tomatoes and sunflowers do, but I don't smoke pot so I won't bother growing that. The water from my bore has a high flow and as good as bottled water, sweet and potable.
Here's some basic reality: you'd be mad to not have solar in Queensland. The sun is abundant and when retired you'll use the power at home during the day in your workshop of hobbies. That cuts bills. You'd also be crazy in rural Queensland to not have a gen. We get serious storms and power can go at any time. I've already saved the contents of my freezers several times by having a gen.
None of this is the loony tunes prepper scene you have in the US. Where they act out a scene of baddies coming to get them and they all have guns stashed in secret places while dressed in camo. The American-centric view doesn't translate to here. We don't have guns in abundance nor lots of gun crazies and my area is crime free, safe, clean and stunningly beautiful. Surrounded in national parks.
The COVID shutdowns had zero impact on me. For the urban sardines it sure did!
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Oz_Salvia
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
#27534205 - 11/07/21 06:55 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: It’s the delusion of individualism.
So growing organic healthy produce, not paying for water, and power is free, is delusional?
Delusional, perhaps not.
Selfish, antisocial, and short-sighted, I can see convincing arguments for.
But, off-grid living is still a symptom of the delusion of individualism, which is a carefully crafted mindset. Whether you admit it or not, you almost certainly owe your life to society.
See above post of mine - if you had what I have to make the decision I did, you'd do similar. Perhaps buy a yacht and sail the world? You'd give the rat race grind away. That's a no brainer because the freedom to choose - if you have that - is all that matters. You won't be looking back at society and feeling guilt you owe them because you had the means to escape what the mass can't. They'd all do the same. My accountant said to me he'd quit if he could. Over in the money forum I see one fellah started a thread on how he's made his first million, aged 32. He understands the journey because he'll be able to choose his destination. Good on him.
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#27534215 - 11/07/21 07:19 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, I'd probably make the same decision.
That does not mean that the decision is any less selfish, antisocial, and short-sighted. It just speaks more to the kind of person that I am.
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Oz_Salvia
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
#27534217 - 11/07/21 07:28 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Yes, I'd probably make the same decision.
That does not mean that the decision is any less selfish, antisocial, and short-sighted. It just speaks more to the kind of person that I am.
Then what do you suggest to make it more inclusive, progressive, for the good of social justice and the rest of the feel good jollies?
Personally my care factor to that stops at my taxes. I grew up poor. My view is change that. Besides, there's a welfare safety net here, coupled with public housing, a public medical system and subsidised pharmaceuticals. It's not like the US where they're cut to the wind. This is why COVID ripped through the US because national health is not important.
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