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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: psi]
    #27487924 - 09/30/21 07:19 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. Wasn't "the smoke" supposedly a mushroom?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: hummingbird] * 1
    #27488023 - 09/30/21 08:43 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah a mushroom with I think some other plants, but it sounded like the mushroom was the main active thing. P. mexicana is what he said/thought they were I think. I experimented a bit with smoking cubensis mushrooms at one point just to see for myself if it did anything, never got any kind of definite effects from it beyond what I'd expect for the weed I was also smoking.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: psi] * 1
    #27488089 - 09/30/21 09:25 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Oh man, I loaded a bowl of the powder left in a bag of cubes in a 2ft bong and hit it back in high school. I instantly threw up, it tasted so terrible. No noticeable effects aside from throwing up. 0/10.


I remember some kids in high school freaking out from datura. Some ER and psych ward trips involved. A kid once tried to sell me some datura seed pods he harvested from the wash down the street...just wandering around with a whole plastic shopping bag full of seed pods.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: hummingbird] * 2
    #27488098 - 09/30/21 09:30 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Pretty sure most of the actives in dried mushrooms would just burn up as opposed to being vaporized


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27488126 - 09/30/21 09:53 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, totally. I think so too. Dumb high school me didn't know that.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: christopera]
    #27488177 - 09/30/21 10:59 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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One side wants you to have a free fda approved 99.9% chance at not having to give any fucks about COVID at all , the other side wants you to spend your money on something that has a picture of a horse on the box .
  Let's not make it more complicated than it is .





Something like half of the US adult population is still unvaccinated. Unless we’re going to argue that half the country is taking horse dewormer, it’s just a convenient (and funny) distraction away from the real issue: Why won’t people get vaccinated?

I’d say the ivermectin folks make up MAYBE 1% of that unvaccinated group of adults. So what explains the other 99%?




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Yea, the ivermectin subset is interesting because they A. admit covid is real but B. won't take the vax for whatever reason. The main group is still operating under the initial covid-democrat-hoax idea, in some range from still not thinking the virus is real, to it's real but not dangerous.

This group also believes that the election was stolen, so they are already distrustful of the government, and are looking for reasons to justify their feelings- ie government overreach in the form of "tyrannical" vaccine mandates.
It's qannon stuff.. they already believe in the conspiracy, and they will fit any and everything in they can to justify it.

Really gnarly mess to be in. I dont know how you convince these folks to get the vax, as it would mean rearranging their entire world-view.




I think Qanon might be the answer, again. It all comes down to effective propagation of fear. For many people that decide not to get vaccinated, I'm guessing their first exposure to the covid vaccine was through some anti-vaxxer talking about how dangerous the vaccine might be. And to be fair, I was also originally hesitant about the vaccine when Operation Warp Speed just started, but the FDA did do its thing. I was worried that the first vaccine anyone made would get rubberstamped by Trump like he did with HCQ and ivermectin.

That's not to mention the faked videos of people puking up blood seconds after being vaccinated.

That's kind of a cult thing: use fear to short-circuit reasoning and simultaneously build resistance to actual knowledge by framing it as an "us vs them" issue.

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My roommate took datura once. He was out of salvia and managed to get datura. It did not go well. Dude was fucked for like two straight days. I don’t think I’d try it.




I did Datura once. Ate a bunch of seeds Thursday after work, had Friday off. I blacked out at 8pm, and woke up around 5-6am on Monday.

I also woke up to a partially destroyed apartment and hundreds of texts. Apparently, I was up and about, and threw a rager. Also spent several hundred dollars on booze.

I don't remember any of it. Not even like hazy blackout flashes, just nothing. Completely blank.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Byrain]
    #27488711 - 10/01/21 01:00 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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The most inane thing is that there is so much hesitation towards doing the research neccesary to settle this, there are two possibilities.

A) It does not work, you can reduce a lot of vaccine hesitancy.

B) It does work, you can save even more lives.




And then people responded to explain that option A is not a practical option, because of the nature of inductive reasoning and the ethics of medical research.




I don't follow why its not practical. Transparency is the best option, this has been well documented by Johnson & Johnson in the past when they have cyanide laced tylenol.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/tylenol-murders-1982

And if you look at their history following that you can find how the new lack of transparency only hurt them.

https://www.aabri.com/manuscripts/11921.pdf




Inductive reasoning: Since this form of logical argument can never guarantee that the conclusion must be true, there will always be wiggle room for grifters to deny the conclusion. That supporting a negative conclusion (ie, this treatment doesn't work) requires a greater standard of evidence compared to supporting a positive conclusion (ie, this treatment works) exacerbates this problem further.

Medical ethics: We can design studies intended to show that a medical treatment works, but we cannot design studies intended to show that a medical treatment doesn't work. In the case of something like covid-19, such a study would basically be waiting for people to die from lack of treatment.

Taken together, the best we could expect is that no medical studies have provided evidence that a given treatment is effective. In other words, we can say with confidence that there is a lack of evidence to support the conclusion that medical treatment x is effective - but this is not the same as being able to say with confidence that there is evidence to support the conclusion that medical treatment x isn't effective.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27488920 - 10/01/21 03:37 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Even though those examples are concerning the natural world, they're not science; they're logic. There are no examples of things that scientists study that can be proven. That's just part of the definition of what science is. Philosophy is an underpinning of science, but philosophy is not about systematic observation. Whether or not there are any birds in that cage could change tomorrow, or it could change when the environment changes. Philosophy and science are not concerned with the same things.




That's just getting hung-up on one specific definition of 'proof'. Perhaps within the scientific community, 'proof' is formally limited to the necessarily true conclusions provided by deductive reasoning, but that's not its colloquial use. For example, 'innocent until proven guilty' is a common phrase within many legal codes and constitutions - but here 'proof' refers to 'true beyond any reasonable doubt' rather than 'necessarily true'. In a similar way, within formal logic 'beg the question' means to assume the conclusion; informally, it means 'to elicit a specific question as a reaction'. I've had much more success assuming the informal use, rather than be overly pedantic.

There's no real benefit from obtusely holding to formal definitions within informal conversation. Instead of saying 'science doesn't prove anything', why not say 'science is only able to prove things beyond a reasonable doubt, but never for certain' and this explains things much more effectively to the layman. We can also look to the type of reasoning being used (deductive vs inductive) for an even clearer understanding of the limitations of empirical observation and the scientific method.

Without using the word 'proof', systematic observation of empirical evidence is able to posit certain conclusions as more probable, and until further evidence contradicts this, these conclusions can generally be assumed as true. This is what people refer to with the informal use of 'proof'.

And certainly, the scientific method is able to make these sorts of conclusions. I think the existence/extinction of a species is an excellent example of this. Can we ever prove that a species is necessarily extant/extinct? No, but that doesn't mean that there isn't an accepted standard of evidence to prove a species is extant/extinct beyond any reasonable doubt. There is still a difference between an unsupported and a supported conclusion, even within the epistemologically uncertain territory of empirical observation.

Because otherwise, this attempt to draw a hard line between logic/theory/philosophy and empirical sciences is bound to run into confusion. The question of whether mathematics qualify as science or art is an unanswered question because it has aspects of both. There isn't a hard destiction. Similarly logic and reason is a fundamental aspect of the scientific method. (1) All men are mortal, (2) Socrates is a man, (3) therefore Socrates is mortal; (1) Socrates is mortal, (2) Socrates is a man, (3) therefore all men are mortal. Both of these are logical arguments - the first is deductive, the latter is inductive. The scientific method is inductive reasoning based off of systematic empirical observation. That explains the limitations of the scientific method much better than making a distinction between logic and science.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27508730 - 10/18/21 07:26 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Colin Powell dead from Covid complications at 84. He wrecked his public image at that 2003 UN speech when he assured the country that invading Iraq was the right thing to do because weapons of mass destruction etc. It was a big thing because half the country would never believe Bush or Chaney but they trusted Powell.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27508736 - 10/18/21 07:43 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Hopefully for him I'm wrong about God being a a racist prick bastard that holds a grudge against liars .


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27519392 - 10/26/21 08:20 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

These are cops protesting vax mandates. Do not comply. 🤡



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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] * 1
    #27520003 - 10/27/21 10:50 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

They don't need it koodz, they have natural immunity. No way any one of them doesn't have the antibodies. Let alone anyone in America besides a few hermits. Why do you want to take away peoples liberties just because they oppose injecting themselves with an experimental liquid concoction? Especially when that shit has consistently waned in efficiency, basically opening the door for yearly boosters for a ding dang cough and sniffles. That's all it is, unless your fat or have underlying health issues. Sorry to all the fat asses out there, shoulda taken care of yourself instead of trusting politicians and scientists to save your hefty ass


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: doubleD] * 2
    #27520332 - 10/27/21 02:49 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Covid has certainly pointed out how many fucking idiots there are in this world. It’s staggering.
Cops and hairdressers they should be scientists.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27526467 - 11/01/21 02:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So I live in Qld, it’s sort of like Florida, people come here to retire.
Since covid hit, every time the state border is reopened 10’s of thousands of people have chosen to leave the southern states and move here.
I was talking to one of the retailers I get solar work through and was saying I estimate over 50% of our battery customers are completely nuts, and he agreed.
Preppers, conspiracy nuts, ant-vaxers they’re the majority of people going off grid or installing batteries on grid before the government starts “controlling the power” it’s been illuminating listening to these otherwise seemingly normal people with completely crazy ideas. It’s difficult keeping a straight face and keeping my big mouth shut listening to them… it’s like tripping into the Twilight Zone


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: doubleD] * 1
    #27526604 - 11/01/21 04:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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They don't need it koodz, they have natural immunity. No way any one of them doesn't have the antibodies. Let alone anyone in America besides a few hermits. Why do you want to take away peoples liberties just because they oppose injecting themselves with an experimental liquid concoction? Especially when that shit has consistently waned in efficiency, basically opening the door for yearly boosters for a ding dang cough and sniffles. That's all it is, unless your fat or have underlying health issues. Sorry to all the fat asses out there, shoulda taken care of yourself instead of trusting politicians and scientists to save your hefty ass



Covid is the leading cause of death for cops. It’s not even close. They are public employees and the public gets to decide the terms of their employment. That’s what freedom means. Freedom doesn’t mean you get to be a cop and ignore the rules. That’s tyranny.

The way you think about fat people is the way normal peope think about the unvaccinated. Five minutes and a little jab and you won’t die of covid.

They just need to fire these people. These are the bad apples everyone talks about when it comes to policing. Just fucking get rid of this trash.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27526608 - 11/01/21 04:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Where is Ronald Reagan when you need him?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Crazy_Horse] * 1
    #27526759 - 11/01/21 06:51 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27527192 - 11/02/21 07:14 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Freedom doesn’t mean you get to be a cop and ignore the rules. That’s tyranny.




Where ya been bud? That's exactly what it means to be a cop


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #27527242 - 11/02/21 08:22 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Im all for more lock downs an restrictions. These people protesting are the reason why covid is out of control.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Mach z 800]
    #27527246 - 11/02/21 08:23 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Lockdowns for cops? Lock them up!


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