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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
#27462477 - 09/09/21 10:50 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I went bear hunting with my bow last weekend . I looked for this bear all day and then it almost mauled me right at dark . It snuck up on me , got within 8 feet of me before I realized what this giant black blob to the left of me was . I jumped and screamed like a little girl and that scared it away , I took a shot at it too but missed . I couldn't imagine doing that regularly , I walked about 10 miles . I would rather live with a bunch of racists , a bunch of criminals , in a poisoned environment while suffering under a repressive government staffed full of law enforcement dicks than have to rely on my bear hunting skills or any of my hunting or fishing skills .
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7even
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Psilynut2]
#27462507 - 09/09/21 11:42 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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So you tried hunting a bear for fun and instead it made you piss your pants and now youre saying youd rather be opressed in a dystopian society? You say that nature is scary but the bear seemed pretty afraid of you to be honest
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: 7even]
#27462557 - 09/10/21 01:27 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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7even said: Uuuh... you ever heard of the saying its a dog eat dog world? If society is good why are shrooms illegal? Why does it enslave /overwork the masses, brainwash them , study and experiment on them like lab rats. Why do they sell water to us in plastic that pollutes the earth and when theres a climate crisis they blame it on who knows what? ...
What you are describing is capitalism.
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Asante said: ...before you say "Auschwitz was Poland" not at the time, at the time it was Germany.
Auschwitz was in occupied Poland, to be accurate.
Thats the allied narrative, the axis narrative was that it was inside the borders of the reich.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Asante]
#27462592 - 09/10/21 02:58 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Multiple posts on social media have claimed that the Nazi party were socialists, due to their full name—the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
This argument has been used to attack socialism through association with Nazi policies. It has also led to confusion, as Nazism is normally associated with fascism and far-right-wing views.
The issue of whether the Nazis were socialists isn’t a straightforward one, due to how the Nazi party developed and grew its base of support. But the consensus among historians is that the Nazis, and Hitler in particular, were not socialists in any meaningful sense.
Historians have regularly disavowed claims that Hitler adhered to socialist ideology. Historian Richard Evans wrote of the Nazis’ incorporation of socialist into their name in 1920, “Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism….Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism”. Or as simply put by historian and Hitler expert Ian Kershaw, “Hitler was never a socialist.”
Socialism, for supporters of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, appeared to substitute Marx’s idea of class war with a race one.
The Nazis didn’t create the term “National socialism” themselves; both the left-leaning Czech National Socialist Party and right-leaning Austrian National socialism movement predated the Nazi party in Germany. The term was added to the party’s title in 1920—turning the German Worker’s Party into the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. This, along with their manifesto, was done to appeal to the working classes.
This can lead to confusion as to what national socialism meant. Though they sometimes described themselves as socialist, their general ideology and treatment of left-wing figures reflected their true views.
In Hitler’s speeches, he established his idea of socialism as something only for select Germans the Nazi party deemed worthy. In his 1920 speech “Why We Are Anti-Semites” he claimed Judaism was the opposite of socialism by aligning it with capitalism at a time when Germany’s workers were suffering.
In the same year, the party outlined their party programme, which included a number of points which could be seen to align with socialist and anti-capitalist ideals. However, historian of the period Karl Dietrich Bracher has referred to the programme as “propaganda” through which Hitler gained support and then discarded once he achieved power.
Hitler worked closely with industrialists—in 1933 he held a meeting with a number of German industrial figures and gained their trust by speaking of the communist threat. In return, they gave millions of Reichmarks to fund the Nazi party in the upcoming elections. Many developed close relationships with the Nazi regime and flourished under the ideology—the Krupp family supplied Germany with arms during World War Two, readily dismissed Jewish employees, and it's then head Alfried Krupp joined the Nazi party in 1938.
Hitler also suppressed trade unions and refused to give the homes of German princes to the people, as he felt this would move the party towards communism.
Socialists, along with other left-wing political activists opposed the Nazi regime and were persecuted under it. The Communist Party and Social Democratic Party (SPD) of Germany were banned in 1933, along with the limitation of the power of all those who opposed Nazi rule. Many SPD members were arrested, sent to concentration camps, or exiled to Prague, Paris and London. The first concentration camp in Dachau, built-in 1933, was intended to inter the Nazi’s left-wing opponents. Hitler was also vocally critical of the “November criminals”—those who led Germany after the First World War and signed the Armistice and the Treaty of Versailles. These leaders were social democrats.
More left-leaning members of the Nazi party were also targeted; Otto Strasser and his brother Gregor followed a strand of Nazism that wanted to remove the elites Hitler courted from power. Gregor was killed along with other pro-worker members during the Night Of the Long Knives.
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Are you sure you wrote that? I mean I know you typed it.
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Brian Jones said: Are you sure you wrote that? I mean I know you typed it.
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kwyjibo]
#27462623 - 09/10/21 04:03 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mach z 800 said: Multiple posts on social media have claimed that the Nazi party were socialists, due to their full name—the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
This argument has been used to attack socialism through association with Nazi policies. It has also led to confusion, as Nazism is normally associated with fascism and far-right-wing views.
The issue of whether the Nazis were socialists isn’t a straightforward one, due to how the Nazi party developed and grew its base of support. But the consensus among historians is that the Nazis, and Hitler in particular, were not socialists in any meaningful sense.
Historians have regularly disavowed claims that Hitler adhered to socialist ideology. Historian Richard Evans wrote of the Nazis’ incorporation of socialist into their name in 1920, “Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism….Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism”. Or as simply put by historian and Hitler expert Ian Kershaw, “Hitler was never a socialist.”
Socialism, for supporters of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, appeared to substitute Marx’s idea of class war with a race one.
The Nazis didn’t create the term “National socialism” themselves; both the left-leaning Czech National Socialist Party and right-leaning Austrian National socialism movement predated the Nazi party in Germany. The term was added to the party’s title in 1920—turning the German Worker’s Party into the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. This, along with their manifesto, was done to appeal to the working classes.
This can lead to confusion as to what national socialism meant. Though they sometimes described themselves as socialist, their general ideology and treatment of left-wing figures reflected their true views.
In Hitler’s speeches, he established his idea of socialism as something only for select Germans the Nazi party deemed worthy. In his 1920 speech “Why We Are Anti-Semites” he claimed Judaism was the opposite of socialism by aligning it with capitalism at a time when Germany’s workers were suffering.
In the same year, the party outlined their party programme, which included a number of points which could be seen to align with socialist and anti-capitalist ideals. However, historian of the period Karl Dietrich Bracher has referred to the programme as “propaganda” through which Hitler gained support and then discarded once he achieved power.
Hitler worked closely with industrialists—in 1933 he held a meeting with a number of German industrial figures and gained their trust by speaking of the communist threat. In return, they gave millions of Reichmarks to fund the Nazi party in the upcoming elections. Many developed close relationships with the Nazi regime and flourished under the ideology—the Krupp family supplied Germany with arms during World War Two, readily dismissed Jewish employees, and it's then head Alfried Krupp joined the Nazi party in 1938.
Hitler also suppressed trade unions and refused to give the homes of German princes to the people, as he felt this would move the party towards communism.
Socialists, along with other left-wing political activists opposed the Nazi regime and were persecuted under it. The Communist Party and Social Democratic Party (SPD) of Germany were banned in 1933, along with the limitation of the power of all those who opposed Nazi rule. Many SPD members were arrested, sent to concentration camps, or exiled to Prague, Paris and London. The first concentration camp in Dachau, built-in 1933, was intended to inter the Nazi’s left-wing opponents. Hitler was also vocally critical of the “November criminals”—those who led Germany after the First World War and signed the Armistice and the Treaty of Versailles. These leaders were social democrats.
More left-leaning members of the Nazi party were also targeted; Otto Strasser and his brother Gregor followed a strand of Nazism that wanted to remove the elites Hitler courted from power. Gregor was killed along with other pro-worker members during the Night Of the Long Knives.
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Brian Jones said: Are you sure you wrote that? I mean I know you typed it.
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
You seriously plagiarized that? Great find Kwyjibo, it did sound out of character.
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The Nazi's were socialist even less than the USSR(it never really was, it was state capitalism, and in many ways became more and more fascist as the cold war continued).
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
#27462656 - 09/10/21 05:15 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: No, you don't get it. You know what Society is? It is protection from the State of Nature. You know what the State of Nature is? "Nasty, Brutish, and Short".I might get fucked by bears or disease from ticks, etc
Society is why you do not literally risk your life to get food for the day.The grocery store is normally safe, the parking lot is different story. Society is why you sleep in. That's not accurate at all.Society is why you have things that you do not actively carry. Everything I own weighs less than 2000 lbs and fits neatly on the back of a pickup truck. When you see a cargo van w/o windows think of me.Society is not the State of Nature, and that is why Society is very goddamn good.
This is not a kumbaya argument. This is a selfish argument, in the sense of I like having people whose job it is to make sure my life is not ended by a passing tiger. That is why society is good. That is why societal trust is good.Tigers will likely get swept up in the human owned extinction level event, if we don't out ourselves. You won't need to worry about tigers much longer. Society likes tiger skin to make door mats and rugs.
Yeah, I'm a virus with shoes. But I'm not a dead virus with shoes. And I have internet. Maybe Covid is actually earths vaccine against humans? You said so yourself you doubted the lab leak theory.
Most of my arguments are fundamentally very selfish, I am a leftist because I approach it with the perspective of I could be literally anybody if the dice didn't roll quite the same way they did. You can do anything you set your mind to!
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27462707 - 09/10/21 06:57 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Biden just announced that all businesses with more than 100 employees will be required to maintain a vaccinated workplace. 2/3 of the US labor force will be required to get vaccinated or get tested weekly
So nothing really changed, and I still won't get this rushed "vaccine"
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Holybullshit said: The Nazi's were socialist even less than the USSR(it never really was, it was state capitalism, and in many ways became more and more fascist as the cold war continued).
um noo!!! Nazis were not even that bad especially when you compare to the white supremacist of America they are far worse than nazis in there prime.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Minion]
#27463250 - 09/10/21 03:29 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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7even said: Uuuh... you ever heard of the saying its a dog eat dog world? If society is good why are shrooms illegal? Why does it enslave /overwork the masses, brainwash them , study and experiment on them like lab rats. Why do they sell water to us in plastic that pollutes the earth and when theres a climate crisis they blame it on who knows what? Or are you talking about the society in the middle east where the taliban strive? Yeah its cool to have some protection and to feel safe but you can also live in jail and prison where they constantly watch you and feed you 3 meals a day with a roof over your head. Is that the kind of society that you want? Because after 9/11 the patriot act already spies on anyone it wishes. Also you are now groped and searched for wanting to board a plane. And now with this virus shit they want to trace people. Maybe you dont mean that kind of society maybe you do but just be careful.
Would you rather live like an animal? Oo-oo-ah-ah troop of monkeys? Sleep out every night, until the night that you're the slow guy and the lion gets you. Your point is made moot by the fact that you are actively participating in society as evidenced by your presence. Now, I know society is pretty insistent that you live in it, but you can still go full Diogenes if you try. I'd suggest starting with a trip to Cali, because it's about to get chilly. Plus, it's legal to pitch a tent on the street. Which technically you should not be doing, you should be out in the woods, making a tent from branches and shit, but it's not a crime to do that in Cali.
There was an interesting poster that stopped by a while back who seemed to have done exactly that. Perhaps they post in other subforums, perhaps they were telling the truth.
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Minion said: Everything I own weighs less than 2000 lbs and fits neatly on the back of a pickup truck. When you see a cargo van w/o windows think of me.
Great, but you don't get to keep the van. I said everything you can carry. Two hands, buddy.
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Minion said: Maybe Covid is actually earths vaccine against humans? You said so yourself you doubted the lab leak theory.
Yeah, it absolutely is. Because our society makes us great hosts for viral outbreaks. Just, ideal. The same way that a bezos looks at a bunch of people and thinks "wow, look at that potential market share", viruses look at humanity and think "look at that amazing food source". And behold, Covid.
I do also have some thoughts on the sentience of planets, but those are best left in forum 99.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
#27463287 - 09/10/21 04:01 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never said i wanted to live like a monkey flinging shit at each other but i find it sad that you cant imagine what a utopian society may be like. You seem fixated and content in a dystopian society and thats just lame. Stockholm syndrome much? Do you have any imagination at all in your limited brain
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: 7even]
#27463293 - 09/10/21 04:05 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never said anything about utopias or dystopias. I am differentiating between Society and a State of Nature.
If you want to fix society, then fix it. If you want to destroy society, then fuck you, I need that shit.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
#27463343 - 09/10/21 04:59 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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You remind me of that guy in the matrix that sold out for a steak. Anyways , ive been around the shroomery long enough to know this isnt going anywhere. I wont be responding here anymore. Im losing brain cells and time entertaining some of you
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#27463352 - 09/10/21 05:11 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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You won’t be missed.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: 7even]
#27463939 - 09/11/21 09:16 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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7even said: Uuuh... you ever heard of the saying its a dog eat dog world? If society is good why are shrooms illegal? Why does it enslave /overwork the masses, brainwash them , study and experiment on them like lab rats. Why do they sell water to us in plastic that pollutes the earth and when theres a climate crisis they blame it on who knows what? Or are you talking about the society in the middle east where the taliban strive? Yeah its cool to have some protection and to feel safe but you can also live in jail and prison where they constantly watch you and feed you 3 meals a day with a roof over your head. Is that the kind of society that you want? Because after 9/11 the patriot act already spies on anyone it wishes. Also you are now groped and searched for wanting to board a plane. And now with this virus shit they want to trace people. Maybe you dont mean that kind of society maybe you do but just be careful.
 
Go buy more $1 scratch of lottery tickets and keep listing to AM radio.
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