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imachavel said: So here is a question surely I will get chewed up for. It probably has an obvious answer. It has probably been answered many times. But fuck it its time to ask anyway.
If there is a vaccine going around with a high percentage of effectiveness why is the world not mostly inoculated and this pandemic almost over?
It has not been long enough?
It has not been long enough.
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The rollout only just barely started, it takes time to create the vaccine, the rollouts themselves vary in how well they are being handled around the world. Vaccine rollout is a long process and doesn't reach completion over a few weeks, it takes months and even years.
We will probably still be in pandemic mode halfway through this year if not longer as the process continues. Once a critical amount of people have been vaccinated the spread of the virus will drop over time and eventually die out except in remote pockets where people refuse to vaccinate. Sort of like the reoccurrences of measles that pop up now and then.
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#27144072 - 01/12/21 03:09 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Somebody has fumbled the vaccine rollout very badly
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At this rate, we will be lucky to receive it before the New Year.
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mndfreeze said: The rollout only just barely started, it takes time to create the vaccine, the rollouts themselves vary in how well they are being handled around the world. Vaccine rollout is a long process and doesn't reach completion over a few weeks, it takes months and even years.
We will probably still be in pandemic mode halfway through this year if not longer as the process continues. Once a critical amount of people have been vaccinated the spread of the virus will drop over time and eventually die out except in remote pockets where people refuse to vaccinate. Sort of like the reoccurrences of measles that pop up now and then.

"At the moment I don't believe we have the evidence of any of the vaccines to be confident that it's going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on," Swaminathan told a virtual briefing, in comments reported by Axios.
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#27144213 - 01/12/21 05:00 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Did you even read the rest of the article or was your eye drawn only to that statement, like a moth to flame?
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Ok fair enough. Good replies.
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You would think by this point half the world would be immune from so many people having the infection naturally the test cases would have gone way down. My only real Point here is that it seems to me this if something people already criticized and their idea is that the reason is criticizes because the strain mutate so constantly the people who have it wants catch it over and over again which is very rare for serious diseases and much more common for light diseases like the flu. So my idea is this vaccine will do very little in some ways if you have to create another vaccine in another few months for another mutated strain it's almost like the planet just has to naturally get immunity and the vaccine will barely do anything at all. But then what the f*** do I know? Just saying though
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: imachavel] 3
#27144505 - 01/12/21 07:18 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Vaccines only lessen symptoms (potentially), they do not prevent contraction or even spreading of the virus by people who are vaccinated. EDIT: link for the shill ass moderators that like to censor the truth https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20201027/early-vaccines-wil-prevent-symptoms-not-virus The Moderna vaccine only works for 3 months.
So no, it probably won't do shit but at least big pharma is gettin that scrilla!!!
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Ran-D]
#27144554 - 01/12/21 07:38 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Carolyn Crist lacks comprehension. What Fauci said that it wasn't the primary aim of these vaccines to stop infection.
At the time the article was written there weren't any studies to show that it does stop infection.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: falcon]
#27144561 - 01/12/21 07:42 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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falcon said: Carolyn Crist lacks comprehension. What Fauci said that it wasn't the primary aim of these vaccines to stop infection.
At the time the article was written there weren't any studies to show that it does stop infection.
Are there any that do show it stops transmission?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27144571 - 01/12/21 07:48 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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No, if there were Google would love to throw that shit at me and suppress that link I just shared.
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#27144575 - 01/12/21 07:50 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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imachavel said: You would think by this point half the world would be immune from so many people having the infection naturally the test cases would have gone way down. My only real Point here is that it seems to me this if something people already criticized and their idea is that the reason is criticizes because the strain mutate so constantly the people who have it wants catch it over and over again which is very rare for serious diseases and much more common for light diseases like the flu. So my idea is this vaccine will do very little in some ways if you have to create another vaccine in another few months for another mutated strain it's almost like the planet just has to naturally get immunity and the vaccine will barely do anything at all. But then what the f*** do I know? Just saying though
It's almost an excuse to make more vaccines.
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#27144578 - 01/12/21 07:52 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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I don't know, but it's a misrepresentation of what Fauci said, to say that they won't and use what he said as a source.
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#27144587 - 01/12/21 07:57 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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The suppression of information, as well as the all out assault on the working class are both far more concerning than this damn virus.
People are actually encouraging and even asking for censorship these days. The shit is terrifying.
Families are losing their livelihood while mass gatherings of retards who can't even cover their nose with a mask continue to happen at Walmart. But an outside dinner party with my immediate family to celebrate my daughter's first birthday is criminal.
Why are we ok with this? Because the TV tells us to be?
I'm not anti-science (I spend all my time studying mycology and botany), I'm not an anti-vaxxer (my daughter is up to date), but I AM anti-corporate mother fuckers destroying freedom of speech and creating monopolies.
And I'm also not unemployed, I'm doing fine, but I'm worried about everyone who is because I have fucking compassion for people, even the ones who I disagree with (that includes the 75 million Trumpers that half of you are ready to snitch out and spy on).
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Ran-D]
#27144746 - 01/12/21 09:40 PM (3 years, 16 days ago) |
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Your post seems genuine, I definitely dont agree with everything bro, but we are in the middle (hopefully) of a pandemic that has reeked havoc and brought to light dormant issues the US must face.
The typical power structures we are all used to, have been upended. Things seem to be accelerating. How many people would expect the surge/attack of our Capital just 2 weeks ago before the New Year? The rollout of the vaccine? The list could go on. What is next? Just how secure are we really? I wish I had the answers, but only come to realize the next tragedy as it manifests. Hopefully, out of all the division and adversity, our society will become stronger because of it.
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#27144843 - 01/12/21 11:33 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Ran-D said: The suppression of information, as well as the all out assault on the working class are both far more concerning than this damn virus.
People are actually encouraging and even asking for censorship these days. The shit is terrifying. . . . I'm not anti-science (I spend all my time studying mycology and botany), I'm not an anti-vaxxer (my daughter is up to date), but I AM anti-corporate mother fuckers destroying freedom of speech and creating monopolies.
Though I take the Covid-19 threat very seriously, I definitely agree with your points above.
How Silicon Valley, in a Show of Monopolistic Force, Destroyed Parler Glenn Greenwald 12 Jan 21
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In the last three months, tech giants have censored political speech and journalism to manipulate U.S. politics, while liberals, with virtual unanimity, have cheered.
Critics of Silicon Valley censorship for years heard the same refrain: tech platforms like Facebook, Google and Twitter are private corporations and can host or ban whoever they want. If you don’t like what they are doing, the solution is not to complain or to regulate them. Instead, go create your own social media platform that operates the way you think it should.
The founders of Parler heard that suggestion and tried. . . . As Silicon Valley censorship radically escalated over the past several months — banning pre-election reporting by The New York Post about the Biden family, denouncing and deleting multiple posts from the U.S. President and then terminating his access altogether, mass-removal of right-wing accounts — so many people migrated to Parler that it was catapulted to the number one spot on the list of most-downloaded apps on the Apple Play Store...
It looked as if Parler had proven critics of Silicon Valley monopolistic power wrong. Their success showed that it was possible after all to create a new social media platform to compete with Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. And they did so by doing exactly what Silicon Valley defenders long insisted should be done: if you don’t like the rules imposed by tech giants, go create your own platform with different rules.
But today, if you want to download, sign up for, or use Parler, you will be unable to do so. That is because three Silicon Valley monopolies — Amazon, Google and Apple — abruptly united to remove Parler from the internet, exactly at the moment when it became the most-downloaded app in the country.
If one were looking for evidence to demonstrate that these tech behemoths are, in fact, monopolies that engage in anti-competitive behavior in violation of antitrust laws, and will obliterate any attempt to compete with them in the marketplace, it would be difficult to imagine anything more compelling than how they just used their unconstrained power to utterly destroy a rising competitor. . . .
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World Leaders Denounce Big Tech Censorship of President Donald Trump
Angela Merkel - German Chancellor: Lawmakers should set the rules governing free speech and not private technology companies. “The chancellor sees the complete closing down of the account of an elected president as problematic”.
Alexy Navlny - Russian allegedly poisoned with novichok: "I think that the ban of Donald Trump on Twitter is an unacceptable act of censorship."
Manuel López Obrador - Mexican President: "I don’t like anybody being censored or taking away from the right to post a message on Twitter or Facebook."
Clement Beaune - Minister for European Union Affairs: "This should be decided by citizens, not by a CEO."
Manfred Weber - Leader of the European People’s Party: "We cannot leave it to American Big Tech to decide how we can or cannot discuss online."
Bruno Le Maire - French Finance Minister: Condemned the move and said that tech giants were part of a digital oligarchy that was a threat to democracy.
Alex Antic - Australian Senator: “Our democratic process is founded on our ability to share ideas freely and to be exposed to challenging and opposing viewpoints. It is crucial to the integrity of that process that Big Tech companies do not censor one side of the debate”
Josh Frydenberg - Australian Federal Treasure (quoting Voltaire): "I may not agree with what you say, but I defend the right to say it."
Jonas Gahr Støre - Norway Labor Leader: "I understand that Trump's statements are problematic, dangerous and encouraged to hate, but there is a very high threshold to block people out, so I am skeptical of that."
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Wow a bunch of foreigners don't understand our constitutionally protected rights.
Getting to use twitter isn't a right. Twitter didn't exist a decade ago and people still communicated
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You're missing the point. Twitter is massive and unfortunately it actually effects people's opinions. So when these companies pick-and-choose who/what is allowed to be posted, they have the power to sway elections.
Does anyone here actually believe the people at these companies give a fuck about anyone or anything other than their profits? People should be asking the REAL reason why they banned Donny boy. I can promise you it's not because they are worried about safety or democracy.
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