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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27136898 - 01/09/21 06:36 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

I hope everyone is getting the shot because covid is killing more more people each day. I recommend everyone wearing a gas mask in public with NBC filters. These face mask an cloths over our faces are useless.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Mach z 800]
    #27136899 - 01/09/21 06:37 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Watch "UK Lockdown Cops To Stop People In Streets, Issue Fines, Target Anti-Lockdown/Vaccine Protesters" on YouTube


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Mach z 800] * 2
    #27136908 - 01/09/21 06:48 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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I hope everyone is getting the shot because covid is killing more more people each day. I recommend everyone wearing a gas mask in public with NBC filters. These face mask an cloths over our faces are useless.



Wrong as usual



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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27136921 - 01/09/21 06:58 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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I hope everyone is getting the shot because covid is killing more more people each day. I recommend everyone wearing a gas mask in public with NBC filters. These face mask an cloths over our faces are useless.



Wrong as usual




those mask are not able to stop viruses 😂🤣. The microns are way to big to stop it.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Mach z 800] * 2
    #27136937 - 01/09/21 07:10 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Viruses don't travel as individuals. They're part of spit globs.

There's objectively true research that shows lower transmission among masked individuals.

I don't like masks either but you have to have your head in the sand if you're saying they don't work. Even though I hate masks I would be a moron to call them ineffective


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Mach z 800] * 1
    #27136951 - 01/09/21 07:26 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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bodhisatta said:
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Mach z 800 said:
I hope everyone is getting the shot because covid is killing more more people each day. I recommend everyone wearing a gas mask in public with NBC filters. These face mask an cloths over our faces are useless.



Wrong as usual




those mask are not able to stop viruses 😂🤣. The microns are way to big to stop it.




Viruses do not fly around as individual particles. They are going to be bound together by the surface tension of water, hundreds at a time. Many of these droplets will get stuck to fibers in the mask simply because of collisions, or because the fibers in the mask will have some electrical charge due to rubbing against each other. That charge will attract small particles like a magnet.

Masks also take a lot of momentum from the air you are exhaling. A maskless breath may travel multiple feet before losing momentum due to turbulence. A masked breath loses almost all its momentum in the mask.

Masks don’t have to block everything. Nobody expects them too, but your chance of being infected is directly proportional to the number of viral particles you are getting into your body. A couple thousand viruses aren’t likely to cause infection. 100,000 make infection far more likely. Reducing the amount of exposure is more important than ensuring no exposure at all.

My brother in law works in a large box store. Everyone there wears masks at all times and the mask requirement is enforced without exception for customers, and they haven’t had any work related exposure the entire pandemic.

People who don’t think masks work are just stupid fucking idiots:


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27136958 - 01/09/21 07:32 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Viruses don't travel as individuals. They're part of spit globs.

There's objectively true research that shows lower transmission among masked individuals.

I don't like masks either but you have to have your head in the sand if you're saying they don't work. Even though I hate masks I would be a moron to call them ineffective




Links?

Here's one.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27136964 - 01/09/21 07:37 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)



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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Mach z 800] * 1
    #27136972 - 01/09/21 07:41 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

I really don't see a problem with this.  How else is a curfew/lockdown going to be enacted if no agency is empowered to investigate potential breaches?

Regardless, the UK is absotively fucked right now.  As a comparison, the worst metro area in the US (according to covidactnow) is Yuma, AZ, with 157/100k cases.  London has 1040/100k cases.  ONS estimates 1 in 30 people in London have Covid. 

Code black for most hospitals in 2 weeks I reckon.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27136985 - 01/09/21 07:46 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Viruses don't travel as individuals. They're part of spit globs.

There's objectively true research that shows lower transmission among masked individuals.

I don't like masks either but you have to have your head in the sand if you're saying they don't work. Even though I hate masks I would be a moron to call them ineffective




Links?

Here's one.




That article says regular masks are just as effective as n95 masks. Do you even read the shit you post or are you just unable to comprehend what you are reading?

How long have you been doing this and you still can’t make heads or tails out of the medical articles you find. Please stop. Learn how to read. There a reason the MCAT score is 25% reading comprehension. It’s a skill you have to learn and you simply have put effort into doing it properly.

Start here. Take sample tests: https://www.princetonreview.com/med-school-advice/mcat-study-guide/mcat-critical-reading-skills


Edited by koods (01/09/21 07:53 AM)


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] * 1
    #27137009 - 01/09/21 08:05 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Try this out

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If one always ought to act so as to produce the best possible circumstances, then morality is extremely demanding. No one could plausibly claim to have met the requirements of this “simple principle.” It would seem strange to punish those intending to do good by sentencing them to an impossible task. Also, if the standards of right conduct are as extreme as they seem, then they will preclude the personal projects that humans find most fulfilling.

From an analytic perspective, the potential extreme demands of morality are not a “problem.” A theory of morality is no less valid simply because it asks great sacrifices. In fact, it is difficult to imagine what kind of constraints can be put on our ethical projects. Shouldn’t we reflect on our base prejudices, and not allow them to provide boundaries for our moral reasoning? Thus, it is tempting to simply dismiss the objections to the simple principle.

1. Based on the passage, which of the following statements must be true?

A) If morality is extremely demanding, then one always ought to act so as to produce the best possible circumstances.

B) If moral standards do not preclude the personal projects humans find most fulfilling, then they are not that extreme.

C) Some people always act in ways that produce the best possible circumstances.

D) Morality precludes the personal projects that humans find most fulfilling.

2. Which of the following claims provides the most support in the passage for the “simple principle?”

A) Ethical projects should be completely without constraints.

B) Objections to the simple principle are difficult to imagine.

C) Moral theories are not less valid if they require great sacrifices.

D) Nobody always acts to produce the best possible circumstances.






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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27137023 - 01/09/21 08:12 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Mach z 800 said:
Quote:

bodhisatta said:
Quote:

Mach z 800 said:
I hope everyone is getting the shot because covid is killing more more people each day. I recommend everyone wearing a gas mask in public with NBC filters. These face mask an cloths over our faces are useless.



Wrong as usual




those mask are not able to stop viruses 😂🤣. The microns are way to big to stop it.




Viruses do not fly around as individual particles. They are going to be bound together by the surface tension of water, hundreds at a time. Many of these droplets will get stuck to fibers in the mask simply because of collisions, or because the fibers in the mask will have some electrical charge due to rubbing against each other. That charge will attract small particles like a magnet.

Masks also take a lot of momentum from the air you are exhaling. A maskless breath may travel multiple feet before losing momentum due to turbulence. A masked breath loses almost all its momentum in the mask.

Masks don’t have to block everything. Nobody expects them too, but your chance of being infected is directly proportional to the number of viral particles you are getting into your body. A couple thousand viruses aren’t likely to cause infection. 100,000 make infection far more likely. Reducing the amount of exposure is more important than ensuring no exposure at all.

My brother in law works in a large box store. Everyone there wears masks at all times and the mask requirement is enforced without exception for customers, and they haven’t had any work related exposure the entire pandemic.

People who don’t think masks work are just stupid fucking idiots:


they don't work unless you have a n95 or higher you dont know any thing about masks or types of filtration or particles that can make it threw.  An most people dont even use there mask correctly as is.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Mach z 800] * 2
    #27137028 - 01/09/21 08:17 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

You’re wrong


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] * 2
    #27137042 - 01/09/21 08:27 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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You’re wrong



At least he's extremely consistent


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27137054 - 01/09/21 08:34 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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You’re wrong


no im right you average mask is not designed to stop viruses or they cant filter them out. They also leak are out the sides allowing for more contamination to enter an exit your mask.

Plus you allways have to adjust it causing more contamination.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Mach z 800] * 1
    #27137057 - 01/09/21 08:35 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Then emperical evidence and objective research came along and proved those concerns wrong


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27137167 - 01/09/21 09:19 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=Mask+transmission

There's hundreds now.




I'll just pick through some of those published prior to 2020.

Respiratory pathogens on the outer surface of the used medical masks may result in self-contamination.

This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.

Although the droplet sizes for both virus and bacteria were the same and affected the filter media in a similar manner, it was suggested that the viruses, after contact with the moisture on the filter, were released from their droplet containment, and driven onward by the flow of gas.

In addition, respirator use may be associated with increases in heart rate, skin temperature, perceived humidity, fatigue, breathing resistance, and overall discomfort compared to surgical masks

improvements in fit result in increased mask airflow resistance because a higher proportion of the airstream is forced through the facepiece where the filter is located and not around it. The nanofiber media is more forgiving. The marked reduction in mask airflow resistance with the nanofiber media minimizes leaking around the mask and increases the chances that particles will go through the filter and be captured without the need for a perfect seal. Our data indicate that the improved fit of the SF design coupled with reduced airflow resistance of the nanofiber media reduces receiver exposure levels compared to face masks without a fitted design and nanofiber media.

Hyper-realistic face masks: a new challenge in person identification

:lolwut:

Medical masks, referred to as surgical masks in some countries[4], were not designed to protect the wearer from aerosol transmission of droplet nuclei and viral particles [5, 6].

Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

In an intention-to-treat analysis, rates of clinical respiratory illness (relative risk (RR) 0.61, 95% CI 0.18 to 2.13), ILI (RR 0.32, 95% CI 0.03 to 3.13) and laboratory-confirmed viral infections (RR 0.97, 95% CI 0.06 to 15.54) were consistently lower in the mask arm compared with control, although not statistically significant. A post hoc comparison between the mask versus no-mask groups showed a protective effect against clinical respiratory illness, but not against ILI and laboratory-confirmed viral respiratory infections.

An ideal quantized mask to increase intelligibility and quality of speech in noise

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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
    #27137223 - 01/09/21 09:41 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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bodhisatta said:
Quote:

Mach z 800 said:
I hope everyone is getting the shot because covid is killing more more people each day. I recommend everyone wearing a gas mask in public with NBC filters. These face mask an cloths over our faces are useless.



Wrong as usual








Deodorant mask test, 9 months ago.

He should do that same test with nonmedical face coverings such as neck gators, t-shirt, etc. That's what's allowed and mandated in many counties in many states.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


Edited by HamHead (01/09/21 09:43 AM)


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27137253 - 01/09/21 09:51 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Then emperical evidence and objective research came along and proved those concerns wrong




You mean how empirical evidence and objective research came along and proved .23% IFR, no worse than influenza because, as viruses become more virulent, they become less lethal as our immunity, naturally builds over time.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27137324 - 01/09/21 10:14 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=Mask+transmission

There's hundreds now.




I'll just pick through some of those published prior to 2020.




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