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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27083602 - 12/11/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Now, are all those people in that video crazy conspiracy Qanon quacks?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27083603 - 12/11/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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No one would be yelling to wear masks if everyone were simply wearing masks.
India does not have a national public infrastructure capable of accurately tracking and reporting COVID numbers. Historically even in regular times a large percentage of deaths there are never accounted for and the vast majority never receive any official cause of death.
Australia has a larger population than Florida and has 20x less deaths.
Sweden's economy is doing bad and they're predicting it to get much worse.
Flu numbers and hospital admissions are down significantly.
So now you're in support of the measures China took?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27083607 - 12/11/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Australia was in full lockdown, how are they doing?
California had more cases yesterday than Australia has had during the entire pandemic. The per capita death rate in the US is 26x higher than Austrialia’s.
Yeah, Australia did the whole contact trace thing. Curious as to what their CTs were set to.
Impossible to contact and trace in an environment with 15m 'cases'.
It's like, no one gets better. Once they've got the virus, they're a case and will always be a case, 20 years from now. That is, if they got tested.
How many untested 'cases' are out there, who have 'recovered' without ever showing any symptoms? Or, only mild symptoms?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27083610 - 12/11/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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More whataboutisms, shocking.
I dont give a fuck what you do with your body. I give a fuck about the risk you pose to others on a HARM REDUCTION website. You see, just like this virus which is transmissible and deadly, so is the misinformation and conspiracy shit you spread. Were this your political opinion about SLOW JOE BIDEN, or aliens, or bill gates I would give zero fucks because none of that is actually dangerous to someone else who may come along here who doesn't have the necessary critical thinking skills to see through your bullshit. Spending the entire year going full bore into trying to convince people that masks are bad, the virus wasn't that deadly, locksdown were/are not needed or helpful, and generally being completely ignorant of the science that has been repeatedly shown to you makes you a a radicalized terrorist. A propagandist. A sheep carrying a viral payload. You are the personification of facebook propaganda memes that are making the human race dumber.
Your behavior is directly parallel to people who think the world is flat, that lizard people secretly rule the earth, or that Jesus is real and the rapture is coming.
There is no information facism going on here trying to silence your truth because there is no truth.
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I don't think anyone cares about hamheads ideas or opinions. Lots of us have wrong and bad opinions. We all care about hamhead blatantly posting verifiably insane bullshit.
In any place on the entire website no one else has nearly as much patience than enlil. Ham would have been dumped ages ago anywhere else had he been just as disruptive there.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: feevers]
#27083621 - 12/11/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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feevers said: No one would be yelling to wear masks if everyone were simply wearing masks.
Fauci said in the beginning, and I quote, "people should not be walking around wearing mask.." If you want that video, it's out there. There is high mask compliance and still there is spreading.
India does not have a national public infrastructure capable of accurately tracking and reporting COVID numbers. Historically even in regular times a large percentage of deaths there are never accounted for and the vast majority never receive any official cause of death.
I think with the impact of Covid, some practices may have been improved upon to help track coronavirus 19 spread and covid 19 deaths. But who knows, we have infrastructure and don't track and trace, so . I would think, living in such close quarters, Coronavirus wouod have swept through unhindered and killed hundreds of thousands, leaving corpses to rot in homes for weeks because no one knew about their death.   
Australia has a larger population than Florida and has 20x less deaths.
Pretty spread out too, huh? Why aren't people in Florida dropping dead left and right of Covid 19, if they are handling it so poorly?
Sweden's economy is doing bad and they're predicting it to get much worse.
Links?
Flu numbers and hospital admissions are down significantly.
Flu test are a fraction of Coronavirus test. Test for more flu and I bet you'll drag in more fish with a bigger net.  
In what order are test done? Flu first, then covid? Or, if someone test positive for covid, is a flu test even done then?
So now you're in support of the measures China took?
Just giving an example of China and how people are not dropping dead by the hundreds of thousands because of Covid19.

Perhaps, maybe, possibly, it's not as deadly as mainstream media has been projecting???
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mndfreeze said: More whataboutisms, shocking.
I dont give a fuck what you do with your body. I give a fuck about the risk you pose to others on a HARM REDUCTION website. You see, just like this virus which is transmissible and deadly, so is the misinformation and conspiracy shit you spread. Were this your political opinion about SLOW JOE BIDEN, or aliens, or bill gates I would give zero fucks because none of that is actually dangerous to someone else who may come along here who doesn't have the necessary critical thinking skills to see through your bullshit. Spending the entire year going full bore into trying to convince people that masks are bad, the virus wasn't that deadly, locksdown were/are not needed or helpful, and generally being completely ignorant of the science that has been repeatedly shown to you makes you a a radicalized terrorist. A propagandist. A sheep carrying a viral payload. You are the personification of facebook propaganda memes that are making the human race dumber.
Your behavior is directly parallel to people who think the world is flat, that lizard people secretly rule the earth, or that Jesus is real and the rapture is coming.
There is no information facism going on here trying to silence your truth because there is no truth.
There is no truth.
One thing we can agree on.
Telling people to think for themselves is radical.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27083627 - 12/11/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Or maybe its because their have a completely different culture that has a lot more discipline and control of the population, so they did the required things to stop it. Like heavy mask usage and quarantine. Those things you hate so much.
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Yeah China vanquished the virus doing all the things that hamhead doesnt think work.
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Pretty spread out too, huh? Why aren't people in Florida dropping dead left and right of Covid 19, if they are handling it so poorly?
The weather in Florida is perfect for outdoor activities. It’s that simple.
Population density doesn’t seem to have much effect with covid. South Dakota is extremely spread out and they have the highest death rate in the world. NYC has one of the lowest.
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mndfreeze said: Or maybe its because their have a completely different culture that has a lot more discipline and control of the population, so they did the required things to stop it. Like heavy mask usage and quarantine. Those things you hate so much.
I have said, people with symptoms should wear mask.
Healthy people with no symptoms, should not be forced to wear masks.
Evidence is mounting against asymptomatic spread.
https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/study-finds-asymptomatic-spread-not-a-significant-source-of-the-ccp-virus-pandemic_3606375.html
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32513410/
"Conclusion: In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak."
NIH saying asymptomatic spread might be weak. Q alert???
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
"Virus cultures were negative for all asymptomatic positive and repositive cases, indicating no “viable virus” in positive cases detected in this study.
All asymptomatic positive cases, repositive cases and their close contacts were isolated for at least 2 weeks until the results of nucleic acid testing were negative. None of detected positive cases or their close contacts became symptomatic or newly confirmed with COVID-19 during the isolation period. In this screening programme, single and mixed testing was performed, respectively, for 76.7% and 23.3% of the collected samples. The asymptomatic positive rates were 0.321 (95% CI 0.282–0.364)/10,000 and 0.243 (95% CI 0.183–0.315)/10,000, respectively."
Seriously, Qanon conspiracy you're calling this?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27083674 - 12/11/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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mndfreeze said: The entire point apparently. Your beaming hope of light for your argument, Sweden, has been a myriad of fuckery with how it handled it and low and behold, further proof of the matter is right in your face.
Trying to deflect away from the data you don't want to see to bring up unrelated whataboutisms is not how debate, learning, or truth seeking works.
Here is some important data you are choosing to ignore because it doesn't fit your conspiracy / antivax / Qanon / nonsense narrative.
"However, the country has since recorded 7,200 Covid-related deaths as of December 8, according to the World Health Organization, meaning it has one of the highest per capita death rates in the world."
The garbage you post and believe is dangerous. You are an information radicalized terrorist.
Whoa, a radicalized terrorist?
Are you fucking serious?
Sweden didn't have the kind of psychological shit to deal with. Agreed?
No one yelling at others to put on mask.
No one forcing children to wear mask.
Businesses, small families who have owned and operated businesses, were allowed to operate and provide for their families without a government telling them they have to close their business. Sweden government put trust in their people to take it upon themselves to "flatten the curve", and they did. We're in a new flu season, let us not forget. Flu has not disappeared, and if anyone thinks it has is delusional.
No red and orange zones, where a business is allowed to open two blocks from businesses being forced to close.
Florida has been at 100% operational capacity since September.
China opened up after a month, and is going full steam ahead, no NEW vaccines, that I'm aware of.
India uses HCQ and has 4x USA population with half the deaths. Explanations? Younger population?
Africa is largely being ignored. Why?
Australia was in full lockdown, how are they doing?
These are facts. It can all be researched.
To continue pushing one sided narratives is dangerous, and fascist when other opinions are silenced, banned and censored.
People should be thinking for themselves. When information is censored, people can't gather what information is potentially helpful, and run it through their own mind to make their own decisions. On a website about psychedelics, I'm having a hard time understanding how free thoughts are being insulted.
And calling me a terrorist is a little scary.
People's lives are destroyed by these sorts of accusations.
Do what you want with your own meat vehicle. If you choose to drink alcohol and eat like shit, those are not my choices and I have no right to tell you to do otherwise. I can yell and scream at all those people sitting in a McDonald's drive through, but I don't, because that is their choice.
Yet, there are people who feel a need to tell others how to live their lives because they themselves feel it is unsafe or that they have more or better knowledge than others.
Fauci, for example. Rand Paul mentioned corticosteroids in March and Fauci brushed him off. Now, it is being used and is saving lives.
Yes exactly.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27083677 - 12/11/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: Yeah China vanquished the virus doing all the things that hamhead doesnt think work.
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Pretty spread out too, huh? Why aren't people in Florida dropping dead left and right of Covid 19, if they are handling it so poorly?
The weather in Florida is perfect for outdoor activities. It’s that simple.
Population density doesn’t seem to have much effect with covid. South Dakota is extremely spread out and they have the highest death rate in the world. NYC has one of the lowest.
See, IMO, that doesn't jive well with how viruses should work. I mean, if somebody gets sick and they have neighbors close by and are in contact with many people in grocery stores and work places, I would imagine a virus would thrive in close quarters.
Oregon has some shitty weather and they seem to have gotten by with fewer deaths than Florida. I don't know how Oregon compares to south Dakota as far as population density goes. 
I remember when meat packing plants were going to close because of fear of outbreaks. Did those outbreaks ever happen? Not that I'm aware of, if you have links to meat packing plants, prime environments for coronaviruses to spread, cold temperatures with low humidity, and clusters of covid19 cases, please provide them.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27083689 - 12/11/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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mndfreeze said: Or maybe its because their have a completely different culture that has a lot more discipline and control of the population, so they did the required things to stop it. Like heavy mask usage and quarantine. Those things you hate so much.
I have said, people with symptoms should wear mask.
Healthy people with no symptoms, should not be forced to wear masks.
Evidence is mounting against asymptomatic spread.
https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/study-finds-asymptomatic-spread-not-a-significant-source-of-the-ccp-virus-pandemic_3606375.html
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32513410/
"Conclusion: In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak."
NIH saying asymptomatic spread might be weak. Q alert???
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
"Virus cultures were negative for all asymptomatic positive and repositive cases, indicating no “viable virus” in positive cases detected in this study.
All asymptomatic positive cases, repositive cases and their close contacts were isolated for at least 2 weeks until the results of nucleic acid testing were negative. None of detected positive cases or their close contacts became symptomatic or newly confirmed with COVID-19 during the isolation period. In this screening programme, single and mixed testing was performed, respectively, for 76.7% and 23.3% of the collected samples. The asymptomatic positive rates were 0.321 (95% CI 0.282–0.364)/10,000 and 0.243 (95% CI 0.183–0.315)/10,000, respectively."
Seriously, Qanon conspiracy you're calling this?
What about Presymptomatic?
Here’s the thing. Wearing a mask is such a low burden, there is no reason not to wear them.
I understand that selfish people don’t care about other people, which is why this needs to be Mandated
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27083698 - 12/11/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: Yeah China vanquished the virus doing all the things that hamhead doesnt think work.
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Pretty spread out too, huh? Why aren't people in Florida dropping dead left and right of Covid 19, if they are handling it so poorly?
The weather in Florida is perfect for outdoor activities. It’s that simple.
Population density doesn’t seem to have much effect with covid. South Dakota is extremely spread out and they have the highest death rate in the world. NYC has one of the lowest.
See, IMO, that doesn't jive well with how viruses should work. I mean, if somebody gets sick and they have neighbors close by and are in contact with many people in grocery stores and work places, I would imagine a virus would thrive in close quarters.
Oregon has some shitty weather and they seem to have gotten by with fewer deaths than Florida. I don't know how Oregon compares to south Dakota as far as population density goes. 
I remember when meat packing plants were going to close because of fear of outbreaks. Did those outbreaks ever happen? Not that I'm aware of, if you have links to meat packing plants, prime environments for coronaviruses to spread, cold temperatures with low humidity, and clusters of covid19 cases, please provide them.
Your understanding of how viruses work is irrelevant. Low population density states are actually doing worse that high density ones. People congregate regardless of the population density. The current political climate in rural parts of the country is leading to higher rates of infection.
Oregon has very high mask use compliance.
The meat packing plants had huge outbreaks and likely helped seed the overall outbreak in the Midwest
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27083700 - 12/11/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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HamHead said: I remember when meat packing plants were going to close because of fear of outbreaks. Did those outbreaks ever happen? Not that I'm aware of, if you have links to meat packing plants, prime environments for coronaviruses to spread, cold temperatures with low humidity, and clusters of covid19 cases, please provide them.
“Almost 400 meatpacking plants in the United States have had outbreaks of COVID-19 as Aug. 19, according to Midwest Center for Investigative Reporting tracking.”
https://thecounter.org/tracking-meatpacking-plant-outbreaks-graphic-covid-19/
“ As of Dec. 4, there have been at least 43,000 reported positive cases tied to meat and poultry processing facilities from at least 476 outbreaks in 40 states, and at least 222 reported worker deaths in at least 52 plants in 27 states.” https://investigatemidwest.org/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19s-impact-on-meatpacking-workers-and-industry/
30 seconds on google
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: feevers] 2
#27083705 - 12/11/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, viruses like to target specific packers. This one likes meatpackers. HIV hit the fudgepackers pretty hard.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: feevers]
#27083722 - 12/11/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Chicken wing prices are off the charts. I guess this is why.
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I’m starting to like HamHead’s debate technique. Say something that’s blatantly wrong, then when you’re called out on it say something else that’s even more blatantly wrong to distract from how wrong you were on the first point. You can just keep going forever this way, he’s proof of it.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: feevers] 2
#27083753 - 12/11/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Trump way.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
#27083765 - 12/11/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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As a person who has worked in that field knows, when one person gets sick, it's a domino effect. Cold air has to be in constant circulation to keep the area cold from top to bottom to discourage bacterial growth.
It is a no brainer that air born pathogens will have great success spreading in that environment. It comes with the territory.
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