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Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels?
#26550113 - 03/22/20 02:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm interested in getting a bacti-cinerator but have read they are only meant for loops and needles, not scalpels. I've read other threads where people do use them for scalpels or to clean scalpel handles.
Anyone with the knowledge on using these microcinerators care to tell me the proper use for this tool or make a recommendation? I have only found a few videos on using these tools and would love to know more.
I currently flame my scalpel blades and after the second flame sterilize the metal blade begins to flake and break apart. Cheap blades...hot torch...small space... not fun!
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: AddSnakes]
#26550318 - 03/22/20 07:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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C10 shills his bacticinerator pretty hard, and i'm going to convert soon. The appeal of never having to buy another bottle of propane is a pretty huge pull*, not to mention he states longer blade life and shorter heat times. Sounds like a win all around to me!
Also if your blades are falling apart after 2 torches, you're just burning them up man, you can back off on the heat time. A blade usually lasts me about 200-250 transfers before it gets flaky.
Edit: * - actually let me put that another way. The idea of never running out of propane mid-session is a huge pull.
Edited by MLPismyOPSEC (03/22/20 07:03 AM)
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
#26550365 - 03/22/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have bought one lat year,I found it half off on ebay. Waste of money. I wish i didnt buy it. Flame sterilize FTW
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: bw86] 1
#26550545 - 03/22/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you talking about these things cause I hoped they were awesome I use the old style alcohol lamp myself.
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: rumfor69]
#26550549 - 03/22/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah i hoped it was awesome too. You want mine ill give it to you half off
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: bw86]
#26550586 - 03/22/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah except if you have traditional scalpels the heat transferring means you'll have to have at least 3 scalpels to use in rotation when the handles get too hot to use.
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: filthyknees]
#26550620 - 03/22/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have that long Paul Stamets scalpel is it the kind that would work with t?
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: rumfor69]
#26550827 - 03/22/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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It'll work with all scalpels just in my experience if you're about to do 40 transfers or any larger number of transfers with only one scalpel and a bacinerator thing you'll find out the handle will become unusably hot shortly.
Solution is to have a rotation of scalpels. Maybe others have different experience but if I was gonna order one I'd have at least three scalpels to rotate between to allow for handle cooling.
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
#26552183 - 03/23/20 12:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: Are you talking about these things cause I hoped they were awesome I use the old style alcohol lamp myself.

Yes, those! Why aren't they awesome?
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MLPismyOPSEC said: C10 shills his bacticinerator pretty hard, and i'm going to convert soon. The appeal of never having to buy another bottle of propane is a pretty huge pull*, not to mention he states longer blade life and shorter heat times. Sounds like a win all around to me!
Also if your blades are falling apart after 2 torches, you're just burning them up man, you can back off on the heat time. A blade usually lasts me about 200-250 transfers before it gets flaky.
Edit: * - actually let me put that another way. The idea of never running out of propane mid-session is a huge pull.
I bought some really cheap scalpel blades on eBay and thought it was just the metal quality. I have some more expensive blades that came with my handle and they haven't flaked at all... So I believe I have some cheaper quality blades.
Thank you for the advice. I was thinking of converting to using this tool with a loop and even trying to cut my transfer pieces with a loop.
I might just invest in some more pricey scalpel blades and confirm my theory of these very cheap blades I have a bulk amount of.
Thank you everyone for input. Please share more thoughts and please share your reasons.
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: AddSnakes]
#26552924 - 03/23/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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AddSnakes said:
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rumfor69 said: Are you talking about these things cause I hoped they were awesome I use the old style alcohol lamp myself.

Yes, those! Why aren't they awesome?
I'm hearing they are until you have to do a ton a transfers then you're gonna want multiple scalpels to rotate in and out of it has they get too hot to handle.
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: rumfor69] 1
#26556142 - 03/24/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here to shill for bacticinerator (I get $100 for every one yall buy )
I fuckin love mine. A joy to work with, frees up both hands, speeds up my workflow tremendously. Works great for scalpels
Only downside is that if you leave it in too long itll change the temper of your handle, getting way too hot.
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AddSnakes said:
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rumfor69 said: Are you talking about these things cause I hoped they were awesome I use the old style alcohol lamp myself.

Yes, those! Why aren't they awesome?
I'm hearing they are until you have to do a ton a transfers then you're gonna want multiple scalpels to rotate in and out of it has they get too hot to handle.
When I use multiple scalpels (not common because I transfer, place in bacticinerator, then label , then remove and place scalpel on tray), I just do 2 at a time, no problem at all. And trust me , I do a fuckton of agar. In the past I've gone through a 500 case in a week easy
Heat is definitely is less of an issue with #7 scalpel handles vs #4. I love #7 handles
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26962859 - 09/30/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am very interested in this device and have some questions regarding how people work with it. Most YouTube videos show people holding loops. I would be using it for scalpel and other agar transfer tools and get confused when I read about people leaving the instruments in too long - are you resting the scalpel handle (or whatever) on the heating element while you do another activity or do you hold it -by hand- for the eight seconds and forget that you are holding it? Any concerns about the scalpel damaging the heater element if you insert it and then rest the handle on the element? Also, does the heat melt syringe plastic when heating the needle? I have tried to get the answers from Search but most of the conversation is pretty general (and a lot of it is fairly old). (BTW, c10 - did you get my $100 bucks yet?)
Thanks so much!
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: mayan]
#26962919 - 09/30/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I stopped using mine. Handles get too hot. So you have to rotate 3 scalpels at a time. If you don't put them in right the blades will bend pretty quickly. Also if use a hole punch for agar there not long enough. At least mine were not. It would be nice to not have to use a torch, but they really are the best tool. They get your blades glowing quick without scorching your handles and its easy to work with all tools.
Edited by Spirit-Crusher (09/30/20 09:34 PM)
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: Spirit-Crusher]
#26962965 - 09/30/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i may upgrade to the cinerator, but bactizapper works very well for scalpels loops, sizzors ect.... thats all i use
only takes 8 seconds. i dab it in agar or let it cool on a stand for a few seconds then make transfers. I like having two scalpels, but only one is needed. it won't get too hot holding the end of handle.
Edited by trippleblack (09/30/20 10:01 PM)
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: trippleblack]
#26963363 - 10/01/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for responding, Spirit-crusher.
trippleblack -> Great information. I can't tell from the photo, is that extension from the "mouth" of the zapper something that you rest the implement on, or do you hold the implement in place with your hand while it heats up? I guess my major concern is that I will fuck up the device by inserting the scalpel wrong or by holding it unsteadily. Thanks for your thoughts!
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: mayan]
#26963553 - 10/01/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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that thing sticking out of the hole is the handel of a scapel with a # 22 blade. i just stick it in there like that for 8 seconds then it's ready.
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Re: Is it possible to use bacti-cinerator with scalpels? [Re: trippleblack]
#26963786 - 10/01/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dig it! Bingo! Thanks, trippleblack!
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