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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz] 2
#26586421 - 04/08/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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When you get desperate PM me and I'll see if I can spare a square or two.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26593710 - 04/11/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rahz said: Haha, lovely.
But I'm not well versed in the use of bidets. Isn't there generally some wiping involved after the cleansing?
I'm down to 1.5 rolls of TP. Stores still selling out as soon as new product arrives. I've been attempting to get chummy with a few of the grocers, at proper social distance of course. The plan is to win their sympathy and get notified when new TP shipments will arrive.
No toilet paper...really...means no garbage...just take a shower...gets your ass cleaner than paper any day. Fucking hell find a creek the wash in if you don't want to overload your septic system.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26593793 - 04/11/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Never go fishing downstream of ole Hue.
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I honestly got diarrhea IN the Chewaukan river in Oregon fishing with Icelander once. I had no bathroom and Ice was trying to make me a raw vegan which really did a number on me with little toilet paper available. I did sadly go upstream a mile to get privacy. Its of no concern because while we caught a lot of fish we did not eat them because we were being vegans...lol. A very fond memory of another forum guy.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Huehuecoyotl] 1
#26595621 - 04/12/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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this exit strategy sounds like something seen in dystopian works of literature.
will the jobs that we can hold in the workforce be dependent on having the proper immune certificate?
will people with an immune certificate be given special privileges in society?
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German researchers have proposed testing 100,000 people for antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, and giving “immunity certificates” to those who have these antibodies, which presumably make them resistant to reinfection. The United Kingdom has floated the idea of “Covid passports,” Italy is discussing the idea, and it is being raised in the U.S. as well.
Immunity certificates offer the enticing promise that an increasing number of people can stop sheltering in place and instead help the world revive. They could play an important role in the period before we have excellent treatments or an effective vaccine. But they raise issues about the science of Covid-19 immunity, about how such certificates would be provided and policed and, most important, about a country split between the free and the confined.
Let’s look at the science first. No one knows whether infection with SARS-CoV-2 confers immunity to reinfection and, if it does, how strong that immunity is and for how long it lasts. Not only is that information missing, but we cannot get it soon — it will be nine months before we can know if antibodies last a year.
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Verifying applicants’ claims and identities is another issue. If immunity certificates provide benefits, people will want them. They may be willing to provide test results from phony laboratories (I can imagine an entire underground industry springing up to meet this demand) or might lie about their own past symptoms. Some people would use another’s immunity certificate, unless it had a driver’s license-like photograph and identifying information or required thumbprints, retinal scans, or other identity verification, raising new privacy issues. And a black market in forged immunity certificates would likely arise.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/10/immunity-certificates-covid-19-practical-ethical-conundrums/
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Rahz
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I doubt anything like that will get serious traction. If it does there could be lawsuits to resolve first and by then it would probably not matter.
Sweden doesn't seem to be doing that badly with their strategy. My guess is that they will have a higher infection rate and death rate, but in dwindling numbers over time and that by 2021 it will be a negligible issue. Meanwhile countries with the strongest lock downs will deal with it much longer, and eventually have similar numbers along with their ruined economies.
But keep in mind even if the lock down in the US were to end today international trade has been disrupted. A depression is unavoidable at this point.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26595855 - 04/12/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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 Seems like a reasonable analysis given the data we have at present.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26595874 - 04/12/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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My two cents is that we are so far in uncharted waters that no one has any clue how this plays out. The high water mark would be a new sense of a joint purpose in America and the world, an appreciation and support for those people that do the basic jobs like providing food/water/electricity to us. Maybe we could make sure those that are risking getting sick to keep us fed also have access to affordable heath care? Maybe we realize that 12 years of privatizing gains and having the government support losses was a bad economic management tactic. Maybe we realize we are tied together globally and there is no going back so we might as well start behaving like we’re interconnected.
But most likely it will go back to business as usual, but at least the boredom of the shutdown finally took vague aspirations of becoming an amateur mycologist and turned it into me undertaking the Herculean effort to sign up here instead of lurking. So I’m calling it a good thing on balance for me so far. In a few short weeks I will be well positioned to have access to infinite perspectives on how this chapter plays out.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26595900 - 04/12/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rahz said: I doubt anything like that will get serious traction. If it does there could be lawsuits to resolve first and by then it would probably not matter.
i don't think we can say much with any certainty.
the emergency declarations of a pandemic scenario give governments emergency powers that certainly change the legal landscape.
Regulations and Laws That May Apply During a Pandemic
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Rahz
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JJ16 said: But most likely it will go back to business as usual
If you mean humans being greedy and inconsiderate yes.
Welcome to the Shroomery!
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Rahz said: I doubt anything like that will get serious traction. If it does there could be lawsuits to resolve first and by then it would probably not matter.
i don't think we can say much with any certainty.
the emergency declarations of a pandemic scenario give governments emergency powers that certainly change the legal landscape.
Regulations and Laws That May Apply During a Pandemic
Good point. The pandemic of 1918 lasted a year and then we had the roaring 20's. This time around we could end up stringing things out for a decade and a bunch of liberty restricting laws that do nothing to improve things. sheesh.
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26596861 - 04/12/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quit dogging on greedy and inconsiderate humans...its our lot in life apparently...
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog] 1
#26599637 - 04/14/20 06:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#26599737 - 04/14/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
#26604154 - 04/15/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Eat citrus rinds along with the fruit and your more likely to have a one sheet wipe.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz] 2
#26604164 - 04/15/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I looked at the news, for some reason, and just like a few weeks ago, there seems to be some ridiculous hope and expectation that this crisis is winding down. It is, needless to say, obviously silly.
It seems to me that the economy, or what's left of it, can only reopen when every citizen can get a multiple instant test kits, so that they can self-test, say, once a week. When that happens, we can lift most restrictions, although that would still not be the end of it.
This is a historic global crisis.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26604274 - 04/15/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That plus contact tracing might just end it.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26605156 - 04/16/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: I looked at the news, for some reason, and just like a few weeks ago, there seems to be some ridiculous hope and expectation that this crisis is winding down. It is, needless to say, obviously silly.
It seems to me that the economy, or what's left of it, can only reopen when every citizen can get a multiple instant test kits, so that they can self-test, say, once a week. When that happens, we can lift most restrictions, although that would still not be the end of it.
This is a historic global crisis.
It is historic but I don't think it's silly to want to hope or expect to get back to work. For one, Sweden seems to be faring no worse than anyone else. Even when people go back to work precautions will still apply. Outside work precautions will still apply.
There are plenty of articles on essential workers and the risks they are taking but nothing providing data on the infection rates of essential workers vs non-essential workers. There have been a hand full of plant closures but no indication the essential sector is breaking down.
I think as time goes on the natives will start getting more restless. One could take the view that waiting on a vaccine or a couple billion reliable test kits to reopen the economy is silly.
At any rate, there is a competition afoot. Countries that mobilize their work force sooner will have an advantage over those that don't. China and other countries will seek to export raw materials to whoever is willing to buy.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26605359 - 04/16/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good points. Yes, I understand the predominating need to resume as much economic activity as possible as soon as it is viable. And you're right that things seem to be going all right for essential workers. I only meant to highlight the misplaced hope and futility of presuming that things are letting up, which, seemingly, a lot of people are buying into. People need to realize that this will be a long haul.
As far as a vaccine, I was talking to my Dad the other day and he was describing, I think, an article he read in the New York Times. In it, the CEO of Johnson & Johnson was saying that, in absolute terms, the very soonest we can expect a viable vaccine is one year from now, and possibly later. She said, and she knows, that around next April is the earliest that one can practically be released. So yeah, to have that in a reasonable time frame is literally impossible.
As far as test kits, you may be right that that is a long way off, too. But, and I am no expert, it seems to me that trying to resume normal activities before we can test like crazy will just result in future spikes -- a W instead of a V, as they say.
Obviously we'll have to see what happens, but the salient point is that we are nowhere near the other end of the tunnel.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26605885 - 04/16/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm surprised that the Defense Production Act hasn't been used to develope and refine antibody tests. It seems to me the better and the easier to produce such a test is will make it that more likely that business will return to a place closer to where it was before this pandemic.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: falcon]
#26610041 - 04/18/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyone wanting to place bets on the flow of things?
For either the USA or canada
I figure by June, they try to open up a few things, Find out it was a bad Idea
Then August, try to open things up. Kids go back to school in September.
Schools close by November.
Lock down, until... We will say May.
Get a Vaccine.
Global inoculation.
By the following March, they find out that everyone who got the Vaccine are sterile.
By December of that year, they find out anyone who dies after receiving the vaccine, does not really die. We have the zombie apocalypses of 2022
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In the USA. By December 2020 Everyone has had the virus, 10% of all residents are dead 10% are crippled 80% still don;t know what the big deal is.
and they return to business as usual.
By summer 2021 we have a vaccine, and the Americans, don't take it. They get to fight the zombie apocalypses.
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Plan c We get a vaccine in November of this year. It kinda works.
by December we get a new strain / mutation
Lock down until may New vaccination Kinda works, till December.
Lock-down till May New Vaccine Kinda works
And it goers on and on my friend.
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