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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26939382 - 09/16/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

In Kenya most cannot afford a diet of American processed and junk foods
and they may not be available either;
and these foods contribute to causing covid-19 co-morbidities.
And the lack of fiber in processed and junk foods,
as opposed to traditional high fiber African foods,
may also be contributing factors.

Of course knowledge about the role of the micro-biome,
and sufficient fiber is fairly new.
Although of course the drama of fecal 'transplants',
has made some news.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #26940097 - 09/17/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I take 2000 units per day, which is for general health and bone density. This crit I have of your study is not a matter of disagreement about the efficacy of vit d. it is the reliability of the significance of the information.

However, the issues related to COVID cases which is also related to underlying conditions (of which vit d deficiency is one of many) are more properly associated with the crowding and other stresses of poverty.

this study takes vit. d out of context and ignores the overriding issue of poverty outright.

I agree people should take lots of vit. d. but the claims distract from the real issues, of poverty, racism, and virulence.

vit d is important for general immunity and health.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26940325 - 09/17/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

why do people do kratom

we should have a list of donts

datura kratom heroine etc.

where it's just obvious that you can't take it

that it's bad like these undermine and detract from mind and health so much the answer is don't take them

not like weed lsd and the other good stuffs

like an official like a combination of salvia scale and the law

like that there is zamnesia a list of them

it's objective and fact


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26945738 - 09/20/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

there are cheap and cool 5000 units packs

very important


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26945888 - 09/20/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Ferdinando said:
why do people do kratom





they try it because others say its great
for me personally it was more speedy than anything else,
& mildly unpleasantly so.

Another example that not everything is what it is claimed to be.

the same is true of 'weed'
now that the drug propaganda as regards weed is over,
or perhaps even turned a corner;
it is easier to look at more objective studies,
and at personal reports of use on the web.

The studies do actually show some problems with usage.
And personal reports of use, show that for some measurable percentage of people,
after some period of enjoyable use,
the experience changes to one that produces anxiety.

So usage, particularly by kids, maybe something that concerns parents.
Its strength today (& use in edibles) may also be a problem at times.


Edited by laughingdog (09/20/20 10:18 AM)


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #26946605 - 09/20/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom is a viable way to get off opiates for those having difficulties.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #26947708 - 09/21/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

One hears success stories in this regard
but also stories of those who get addicted to Kratom

those who simply find it unpleasant are indeed far fewer
the taste however is agreed upon by most to be really horrible


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz] * 2
    #26963377 - 10/01/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

https://microclimate.com/pages/air-detail

this mask really does it, but wont ship to canada



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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #26963464 - 10/01/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

until you sneeze, then its disgusting


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #26963600 - 10/01/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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laughingdog said:
until you sneeze, then its disgusting



you can wear a cloth mask inside this and nobody will know that you sneezed if that is becoming your problem.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26964016 - 10/01/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

nope, not a problem for me, don't want a space helmet -- took Rahz's suggestion


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #26990636 - 10/17/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

laughingdog said:
One hears success stories in this regard
but also stories of those who get addicted to Kratom

those who simply find it unpleasant are indeed far fewer
the taste however is agreed upon by most to be really horrible




Someone I know has been on Kratom for years. They seem pretty happy with it. There are some potential long term side effects, but doesn't necessarly indicate shortened lifespan.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #26990643 - 10/17/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



70% of positive patients in a study by the CDC reported always wearing a mask. 85% usually or always wore a mask.

This indicates most masks have very little efficacy in stopping a person from contracting the coronavirus.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #26990790 - 10/17/20 10:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

is severity of infection related to mask use?
viral load is sometimes discussed as another factor,
which a cloth mask might effect.

and the study likely refers to cloth masks, not N95s.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #26991026 - 10/18/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Rahz said:


70% of positive patients in a study by the CDC reported always wearing a mask. 85% usually or always wore a mask.

This indicates most masks have very little efficacy in stopping a person from contracting the coronavirus.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf



except for n95 type or better, the purpose of masking is not to spread your germs to others.
it is about slowing the spread until the vaccine can help stop it.

by your logic PPE is very unsafe, since many PPE wearing front line workers have died of corona virus.

sure the contagion gets past our defenses, but not having any defenses is just dumb considering this is a serious pandemic.

all efforts at early ending of lockdown conditions have been disasterous.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26991087 - 10/18/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

that's amazing because future treasure depends on stopping covid

same with global warmin


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26991088 - 10/18/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

like I mean all the money sex drugs food

etc.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26991094 - 10/18/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

mathematically or scientifically it is not a just or deffendable position to not stop covid

or you know what I mean politics not being serious sidestepping it like not doing something about it


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26991119 - 10/18/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I guess people think they are independent, and masking to not spread your own germs is considered futile. (i.e. "what good does it do ME?")

The virus is invisible, and it is nearly undetectable without symptoms (note tests are often false - no longer relevant (i.e. maybe neg 5 mins ago but you just went positive after testing) or meaningless, but testing helps people keep a focus on the pandemic's expansion).

We wear masks to slow the spread by aerosols (from our own bodies to others) of the invisible invader.

Via social distance we increase the effectiveness of avoiding the aerosol both to and from our bodies. (limbo skills - funnily - are good to have)

By handwashing to diminish spread by contact on surfaces where aerosols may have landed.

And avoiding social fun also helps until we have the vaccine etc.

as it is the hospitals are overloaded

in all cases we cannot see the enemy/virus at all but we perform seemingly ridiculous acts to mitigate the encroachment by something 1/1000th the size of a blood cell because it has an effect. an effect that is visible in each civic and rural region where the efforts have been relaxed too early.

Explaining all this to a peasant with no education may seem impossible but we have to keep trying or be swept away in the pandemic waves of sickness and death.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26991226 - 10/18/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Crashing the economy is somehow better?

The current mantra is that they help capture droplets, thus reducing the potential viral load to others. If there is any actual efficacy when you factor in non-mask wearers and faulty mask wearers, all it's doing is stringing out the economic misery. Even if everyone (unrealistic) wore a mask and wore it properly, all it would do is string out the economic misery. As we can see in Europe, which was generally praised for their response, daily case numbers have now skyrocketed beyond the first wave.

The worldwide death rate as reported is about 5000 cases a day, which has been steady since April and it is actually a bit lower now. This is despite the fact that the number of daily confirmed cases is 4x that of the first wave. Everyone is going to get it. By the time a safe and effective vaccine is developed we won't need it. That probably won't stop the authorities from forcing it on much of the population though.


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