Home | Community | Message Board

MushroomCube.com
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: < First | < Back | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | Next >
OfflineBrian Jones
Club 27
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/18/12
Posts: 12,340
Loc: attending Snake Church
Last seen: 5 hours, 41 minutes
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #26918525 - 09/05/20 01:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Rahz said:
Anyone keep track of the numbers at the arcgis website?

France for instance, was reporting 500 - 1000 deaths per day during the first wave. They are reporting a second wave. The number of daily infections is now slightly higher than the first wave, about 5000 cases per day. Reported daily deaths averages about 10.

The reported death rate is now 100 times less than the first wave. It was being reported at 10%. Now it's .1 percent.

Anyone think that's peculiar?

Skepticism - The ancient school of Pyrrho of Elis that stressed the uncertainty of our beliefs in order to oppose dogmatism.




The last time I saw my doctor she said it was becoming less virulent.


--------------------
"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

The worst thing about corruption is that it works so well,


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,532
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26918822 - 09/05/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I am not inclined to imagine any conspiracy cover-up of what's happening in the Coronavirus management internationally, however it is an immensely fertile field in which to plant and harvest fake news (propaganda X conspiratorial activity)


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRahz
Alive Again
Male


Registered: 11/10/05
Posts: 9,230
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26918989 - 09/05/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Brian Jones said:
Quote:

Rahz said:
Anyone keep track of the numbers at the arcgis website?

France for instance, was reporting 500 - 1000 deaths per day during the first wave. They are reporting a second wave. The number of daily infections is now slightly higher than the first wave, about 5000 cases per day. Reported daily deaths averages about 10.

The reported death rate is now 100 times less than the first wave. It was being reported at 10%. Now it's .1 percent.

Anyone think that's peculiar?

Skepticism - The ancient school of Pyrrho of Elis that stressed the uncertainty of our beliefs in order to oppose dogmatism.




The last time I saw my doctor she said it was becoming less virulent.




By a factor of 100?

Italy first wave peaked at 1000 deaths per day and slightly over 6000 infections per day. Now they're at 2000 cases per day and basically zero deaths. Most European countries are experiencing the same numbers. A study in Holland suggests the death rate for those under 50 is 1-10,000

It's peculiar!


--------------------
rahz

comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace


"You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineForresterM
aspiring sociopath
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/05/13
Posts: 9,351
Loc: Northeast USA Flag
Last seen: 24 days, 18 hours
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #26919074 - 09/05/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

As much as we do know about how virus' work, there's a vast amount more we don't know.

It is odd.  Do you think it's more to do with numbers/reporting/etc or how the virus itself is working?

I think the number of undiagnosed, untested, and asymptomic cases are certainly throwing off the numbers, but maybe a lot has to do with how the virus runs through people as well.


--------------------
Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.
-------------------

Have some medicinal mushrooms and want to get the most out of them?  Try this double extraction method.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,532
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Forrester]
    #26919139 - 09/05/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

numbers will be wonky - the tests are inaccurate too many false negatives, so case numbers will seem lower.

even death counts will be inaccurate, many deaths can be allocated to non-covid causes, so death numbers will also seem somewhat lower than actual.

the virus is the same and it's still active.


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineForresterM
aspiring sociopath
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/05/13
Posts: 9,351
Loc: Northeast USA Flag
Last seen: 24 days, 18 hours
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26919303 - 09/05/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think maybe a whole lot more people were exposed and either asymptomatic or thought it was something else, in the way beginning of the whole thing.  That would make the death rate have seemed higher.

Pretty sure my whole family went through it in February.  2 of our doctors said the same thing.  Couldn't even get a test back then if we wanted.


--------------------
Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.
-------------------

Have some medicinal mushrooms and want to get the most out of them?  Try this double extraction method.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRahz
Alive Again
Male


Registered: 11/10/05
Posts: 9,230
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Forrester]
    #26919567 - 09/05/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Forrester said:
It is odd.  Do you think it's more to do with numbers/reporting/etc or how the virus itself is working?





I don't know. I think more people who were tested early this year were presenting with symptoms and sought a test but that doesn't explain the variation we're seeing in Europe right now. By stats in the US, the virus is 25% as deadly as it was in April but I suspect all those numbers are inflated anyway.

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
the tests are inaccurate too many false negatives




If true, that would only result in lower death to infection ratios!


--------------------
rahz

comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace


"You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,532
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #26919624 - 09/05/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Rahz said:
...
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
the tests are inaccurate too many false negatives




If true, that would only result in lower death to infection ratios!



Yes, probably, but the death rates are inconclusive as well: many are recorded after the fact without autopsy or testing. This is especially the case with elderly that die alone at home, who are discovered after the fact, often ascribed to natural causes or old age.

the rough picture we do have suggests that hand washing and face masks are helping when practiced, while we hold in this pattern until two weeks after the vaccines are injected.


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRahz
Alive Again
Male


Registered: 11/10/05
Posts: 9,230
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26919636 - 09/05/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The rough picture in Europe currently suggests it's no more dangerous than the seasonal flu. The rough picture suggests covid is/was often given as the primary cause of death when it was not. That's what happens when you give a business 30 grand for a specific result.

The rough picture suggests we should have never shut down entire sectors of the economy. And now that many are back to work, in the US, deaths per day has dropped by more than half while the infection rate has doubled. This can't be explained by the use of faulty masks that 95% of the population is wearing. The rough picture is bizzaro world.


--------------------
rahz

comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace


"You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShenmue
Dark Lord of the Sith 
Registered: 12/21/18
Posts: 2,514
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #26919651 - 09/05/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

most of the people dying from covid already had some type of illness. Of course they're not telling  people that on CNN. They can't make money unless they're reporting death and destruction.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefalcon
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/02
Posts: 8,005
Last seen: 3 hours, 14 minutes
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Shenmue]
    #26919707 - 09/05/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

These two posts by morrowasted explain the reasons why covid is given as the cause of death when there are underlying conditions that predispose one to a fatality from the virus.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26889094#26889094

Quote:

morrowasted said:

Quote:

Quote:

If it is not about money, why are they fudging the numbers?




it's your responsibility to come up with a claim about the incentive and defend it.

doing so involves proving the question you just begged: "why are they fudging the numbers?"

Quote:

I personally know of several people that have had family members die of heart attacks and cancer since this started and it plainly lists covid19 on the death certificate.


this is a claim that you COULD evidence, if you really wanted to. show us the death certificates and the medical records with personal information blacked out.

Unfortunately though, even if you do that, you still won't have "proved" what you think you've proved. Please read everything I am about to say with an open mind and just try to understand it. I'm not an expert about very many things, but this is one of them:

If we DID NOT list covid as a cause of death, THAT would be an attempt to obscure a very real truth from you about the world- that truth being that DESPITE the presence of chronic diseases, many of those people would have gone to live many years longer if they had not contracted covid19.

COVID can absolutely precipitate heart attacks. In fact, death by heart attack is a very common reason that people with covid die. I've seen it happen at work. Covid makes people's livers and kidneys fail (I've discussed exactly how this happens in much greater detail earlier in the thread). The liver synthesizes and release blood clotting and clot-busting chemicals. When the liver fails, this process gets thrown out of whack. In fact, we measure the levels of these chemicals by drawing blood in order to
1) estimate how likely the patient is to die without treatment
2) determine how intensively the patient will need to be monitored for problems related to this blood clotting disorder (which is referred to as disseminated intravascular coagulation), such as heart attack, stroke, and pulmonary embolism.
3) determine what medications and blood products the patient might need to help them survive. We may give a drug called heparin, which prevents blood from coagulating by interfering with the action of vitamin K. We may give a drug called alteplase (tissue plasminogen activator), which is naturally produced by the liver (but which is not produced in sufficient quantities when the liver fails) to break apart already existing clots in the blood.

These clots can also migrate to the kidneys, which- in addition to the fact that the arteries have become very dilated as a result of the immune system releasing many inflammatory chemicals (because of covid19)- reduces and/or cuts off the supply of oxygen to the kidneys and causes them to fail. The kidneys are responsible for regulating the amount of fluid in your bloodstream. more importantly, with respect to COVID-19, they are responsible for regulating the levels of electrolytes like potassium. When potassium builds up in the bloodstream (a condition called hyperkalemia), the rhythm of the heartbeat begins to malfunction because potassium is involved in the process of relaxing the heart muscle.

these two processes are very common for severe covid patients. my own uncle died from a heart attack and covid19 was discovered on autopsy. in fact, covid19 was NOT listed as the cause of death in his case- cause of death was ruled "ST-Elevation Myocardial Infarction". However, it could easily be argued that covid19 was the upstream cause of his heart attack. The number of cases in which a patient's ACUTE cause of death was actually a COMPLICATION of covid19, but covid19 was NOT listed as one of the causes of deaths, VASTLY outnumbers the cases in which patients had covid19 listed as a cause of death but it wasn't one- you need only compare the number of deaths by heart attack/stroke/ARDS/etc in the last month LAST year to the number THIS year and use a little common sense to realize there MUST be an explanation for the fact that so many more people are dying of those things right now, and the only major difference is the fact that a new virus is circulating. Then compare the total number of deaths this week against the number of deaths listed as having been caused by covid, and you can easily see that they are being under-reported.

COVID19 can ALSO speed up the death of a patient with metastatic cancer. Cancer is very complicated, but patients with cancer have reduced immune cell function, AND problems  with electrolytes (LIKE POTASSIUM) and blood blotting factors. In fact, many cancer patients THEMSELVES die of heart attacks.

BUT, when a cancer patient dies of a heart attack, we list cancer as the cause of death, because the cancer is considered to be the primary precipitator of the set of problems that eventually led the patient to have a heart attack.

In the same way, a patient who is getting treated for covid who goes on to have a a heart attack, stroke, or pulmonary embolism and die often does and SHOULD have Covid19 listed as a cause of death (although in these cases, both are frequently listed). This is because, like with cancer and heart attacks, COVID19 is considered to be the primary precipitator of the set of problems that eventually led the patient to have a heart attack, stroke, or pulmonary embolism.

This is not an attempt to "trick you". Yes, the fact that many of these patients have pre-existing heart disease, kidney disease, and cancer plays a role in the fact that a greater proportion of them die after contracting covid.

Again: If we DID NOT list covid as a cause of death, THAT would be an attempt to obscure a very real truth from you about the world- that truth being that DESPITE the presence of those chronic diseases, many of those people would have gone to live many years longer if they had not contracted covid19.


Please tell me that some of this is getting through to you. This is my life right now. This is my work. This is my passion. I am trying so hard to make this easy for you to understand.


Edited by morrowasted (08/19/20 10:28 PM)





https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26889116#26889116

Quote:

morrowasted said:
Here's another way to think about it: In every single person, the "real" cause death is this: Their brain stopped getting oxygen for too long.

If someone has a heart attack, they die because their heart is no longer pumping oxygenated blood to their blood. This is why we do CPR. We literally PUSH oxygen into their lungs, and then we literally PUSH on the heart to force the blood to go pick up that oxygen and then keep flowing through the body. Why do we do this? We do this so that the brain continues to receive oxygenated blood. As long as this is happening, the patient is not dead. When your brain dies, THAT'S when you die.

If someone gets their legs cut off and they bleed out, they stay alive until their brain doesn't get oxygen for too long. In this case, the reason is that the blood carries the oxygen, and too much of it left the body. So we bind their legs to stop them from bleeding and put more blood inside them, if we catch it in time.

If someone has an ischemic stroke, they don't "fully die" unless/until the clot is blocking the parts of the brain that are essential for breathing and sending nerve impulses to the heart.

However, it would be completely and utterly useless to write down "Their brain stopped getting oxygen" on everyone's death certificate as the cause of death. What we want to know is what was the most significant factor leading up to that eventuality?

For many, many people right now, that most significant factor is COVID-19 infection




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblesudly
Darwin's stagger

Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,798
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #26919744 - 09/05/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Where's the link to a reported death rate 100x less?


--------------------
I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRahz
Alive Again
Male


Registered: 11/10/05
Posts: 9,230
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: sudly]
    #26919777 - 09/05/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

These two posts by morrowasted explain the reasons why covid is given as the cause of death when there are underlying conditions that predispose one to a fatality from the virus.




Which is the same with the flu except health care institutions don't receive federal money for flu deaths.

Quote:

Where's the link to a reported death rate 100x less?




It's in the arcgis link laughingdog posted on page 15. You can compare stats for every country. The US death rate has dropped by a factor of 4 while most European countries are only getting a handful of deaths per day. Sweden, who's response was mocked less than 2 months ago also has almost zero deaths per day now.


--------------------
rahz

comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace


"You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKickleM
Wanderer
 User Gallery

Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 17,852
Last seen: 57 minutes, 31 seconds
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #26919816 - 09/05/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

https://bing.com/covid/local/unitedstates?vert=graph

scroll down to see fatality rates by US State. Even from State to State there is wide variation.

States that were hit hardest and earliest have the highest death rates. New York for example @ ~7.43% mortality. While States that were hit later are lower. Personally I think it highlights the ability for more informed medical action to curb detrimental effects. In the earliest days we had no idea what we were looking at and once the effects escalated to dangerous the only thing we knew to do was ventilate and monitor. Assuming a ventilator was available... Now we have earlier detection, are much more aggressive with early ICU admissions which means earlier monitoring of severe symptoms and subsequent response, are much more aggressive with the use of steroids, have adequate ventilator supplies, etc. Not to mention that at-risk populations know they are at-risk now and should be avoiding contact to a large degree leaving the less-at-risk to get sick and not die.

Just a few reasons I see that represent reasonable causes for death rates to decline over time.


--------------------
Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRahz
Alive Again
Male


Registered: 11/10/05
Posts: 9,230
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Kickle]
    #26919890 - 09/05/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The US rates are explainable, but what of Europe?


--------------------
rahz

comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace


"You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblelaughingdog
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 03/14/04
Posts: 4,828
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Kickle]
    #26919898 - 09/05/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The fact remains that it spread world wide very quickly
That it can kill people, and has done so in great numbers
that many people end up with serious long lasting health problems
that it is not completely understood
that as of now there is no vaccine
that after many openings, parties, rallies ie group gatherings, rates have gone up

I'm old with high blood pressure so I am biased
never-the-less to suggest
that due to some good numbers in Europe, at the moment
that the danger is pretty much over and that
cloth masks have no benefit

seems wishfully optimistic to me
but regardless of opinions
we will see what time shows us

if I recall correctly, last time, Mr. Campbell was reporting bad numbers from Spain.
Link in my previous post


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRahz
Alive Again
Male


Registered: 11/10/05
Posts: 9,230
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #26920149 - 09/05/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

>>>never-the-less to suggest
that due to some good numbers in Europe, at the moment
that the danger is pretty much over and that
cloth masks have no benefit

Assumption that I'm suggesting the danger is over, but looking at stats it's much less deadly especially in some places. As far as masks, do the research. If a 30% effective solution causes people to be more likely to stand in close proximity for longer periods...

Flu spreads worldwide quickly and kills a lot of people, even with vaccines. What I'm ruminating on is whether the cure was worth it. It's not just the economy (which is pretty huge and not over yet). Relapse and suicide rates are up 30% this year. People have been less likely to seek cancer screening which logically will mean more cancer deaths. There are various other parameters we could play around with.


--------------------
rahz

comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace


"You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePeyote Road
Stranger
Male
Registered: 09/02/15
Posts: 3,527
Loc: Great Lakes State
Last seen: 1 year, 3 months
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26920154 - 09/05/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
numbers will be wonky - the tests are inaccurate too many false negatives, so case numbers will seem lower.

even death counts will be inaccurate, many deaths can be allocated to non-covid causes, so death numbers will also seem somewhat lower than actual.

the virus is the same and it's still active.




What makes you think there are more false negatives than false positives? According to what I've seen, the opposite is more likely the case. It may be true for deaths as well, depending on how they are being counted (which can vary from place to place) but it certainly appears likely when it comes to case counts.

https://archive.vn/2020.08.12-212853/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/12/statistical-quirk-means-coronavirus-pandemic-may-never-officially/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html


--------------------
The path of the herbalist is to open ourselves to nature in an innocent and pure way. SHe in turn will open her bounty and reward us with many valuable secrets. May the earth bless you. - Michael Tierra


Edited by Peyote Road (09/05/20 09:06 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,532
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Peyote Road]
    #26920535 - 09/06/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You may have missed the part about my brother being near death in a Vancouver hospital for 7 weeks with covid in early March this year.

the first 3 weeks they thought he had pneumonia

3 swab tests had been performed on him including 2 on his wife. all 5 negative. then they swabbed deep in lungs under anesthetic and found covid.

this happens in advanced cases a lot. no more upper respiratory virus particles, it's all deep at that point, and deep lung tissue testing needs anesthetic so it is not much used.

the wife had much milder symptoms and was tested at the same time, which was post upper respiratory.

IMHO the testing is to keep us involved and aware of danger, but it tells next to nothing.

mask wearing +social distancing + hand washing is helping keep numbers down. partying and having a life is pushing numbers back up.

better stay home and take drugs


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFerdinando
Male

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 3,664
Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26920607 - 09/06/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

hahaha awesome

I used to be like oh his daughters are so awesome and insanely high quality

but from what I found out about cousin it became real like hearsay to cinema

o m g

otherwise you were the only one I knew about

that was insanely high quality

and like me

guys and all are fine but it was like meeting mushrooms


before that it was mostly text world like I knew you were awsome and hero angel high times 1000 high quality

like now I know two it was like anti-nuclear bomb blast

when it makes a big impression on me its gnome world quality or almost


--------------------
with our love with our love we could save the world


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < First | < Back | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | Next >

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Redgreenvines Salvia insights! SeekSalviaSee 2,793 7 09/20/07 02:38 PM
by SeekSalviaSee
* AA/NA's "Cure" for Addiction
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
Sclorch 6,706 88 01/24/05 10:03 AM
by Lightningfractal
* Anyone ere been "Completely Cured" of a Phobia/other Psyc disorder ?
( 1 2 3 all )
lucid 6,578 56 11/19/04 11:32 AM
by Jalruza
* mushrooms as cure for the foolishness Alexander 3,143 19 07/16/01 06:29 AM
by Kid
* NLP "Fast Phobia Cure", anyone tried this ? lucid 1,593 10 11/16/04 08:09 PM
by lucid
* the cure for AIDS spewed 4th 873 5 11/05/02 11:35 PM
by johnnyfive
* Lynn V. Andrews (female Castaneda)
( 1 2 all )
Swami 3,793 31 07/13/04 07:46 PM
by Huehuecoyotl
* the cure for paranoia
( 1 2 3 all )
DoctorJ 2,021 41 05/08/06 01:59 PM
by BlueCoyote

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
13,235 topic views. 1 members, 12 guests and 1 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.026 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 15 queries.