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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26902081 - 08/27/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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your mask wearing correlation with infections based upon race helps but the expectation that submicron air filtration alone delivers "adequate" protection is only relevant in the face of a continuous high concentration aerosol suspension - and this is only expected in the COVID 19 hospital ward. Elsewhere, do expect flumes that dissipate rather than clouds that persist. the concentration of virus inhaled is also directly related to the infection potential: i.e. a single particle inhaled does not cause the disease, but a plurality of virus particles inhaled does usually result in illness.
so functionally speaking cloth masks are fine, and yes the behavioral changes of not touching your face while in public wearing your mask is also contributing to a more resistant community.
basically the mask provides a modicum of protection that is reflected in the figures: where more mask wearers represent communities with lower infection and less mask wearers represent communities with greater infection rates.
in the covid wards full PPE is required and there are special protocols for safe doff and don of the PPE.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
#26902123 - 08/27/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with some of that, but if there is a concern about a deadly pathogen, don't you want to do whatever you can to make sure you don't contract it? Depending on the non N95 material I've read between 70 and 30% effective. That's the material itself, not how it's worn. Surgical masks are meant to protect against splatter and have large gaps at the nose and sides of the mouth. One is basically breathing in the exact same air they would if they weren't wearing a mask. But that's acceptable and gives you a pass! It's been shown that some thin materials like bananas actually break up large droplets into smaller ones, making them a better delivery system for the virus. That's acceptable. And while there's some logic in not touching one's face, putting on and taking off masks, adjusting them etc. seems problematic, but I've also read articles suggesting it's overwhelmingly contracted via the air.
Who knows for sure though right?
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26902151 - 08/27/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Herd mentality exactly. It's about feelings and social acceptance and on the other side about resisting authority and in some cases just not being concerned. It's also about fear of the virus but I don't expect a majority of people to do the research, see that their face cover is not much more than a social tool and figure out how to make it a reasonably effective sub-micron barrier.
I've looked at various polls. One taken in April suggests 14% more democrats wore masks (73%/59%). Asian Americans wore masks at the highest rate while white people wore them at the lowest rate. (82%/66%) with latinos and blacks in the low 70s. It wasn't included in the poll but I suspect women are much more likely to wear a mask than men.
Herd mentality exactly. It's about feelings and social acceptance and
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
#26902166 - 08/27/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: dude how is associating not thinking, duhh...
But you dear Sir, are acting according exactly to the rgv algorithm, perhaps a bit too predictable for real stretchy comfort? But then again who nose for sure? Certainly not me! As they say in good old England!
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
#26902230 - 08/27/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Herd mentality exactly. It's about feelings and social acceptance and on the other side about resisting authority and in some cases just not being concerned. It's also about fear of the virus but I don't expect a majority of people to do the research, see that their face cover is not much more than a social tool and figure out how to make it a reasonably effective sub-micron barrier.
I've looked at various polls. One taken in April suggests 14% more democrats wore masks (73%/59%). Asian Americans wore masks at the highest rate while white people wore them at the lowest rate. (82%/66%) with latinos and blacks in the low 70s. It wasn't included in the poll but I suspect women are much more likely to wear a mask than men.
Herd mentality exactly. It's about feelings and social acceptance and 
N95 will stop sub micron particles, https://www.honeywell.com/en-us/newsroom/news/2020/03/n95-masks-explained
And probably any fiber will to some extent as all will contains some charge on the surface of the fibers, all will act a percipitator. As the smaller particles will be buffeted by Brownian force on their way through the fabric of the mask increasing the likelyhood of sticking to a fiber, thicker masks will increase efficiency of capture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_precipitator
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
#26902498 - 08/27/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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one can only work with what they got (associatively speaking). I could not expect otherwise!
so we're good here for now.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
#26902688 - 08/27/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: one can only work with what they got (associatively speaking). I could not expect otherwise!
so we're good here for now.
so we're good here for now.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
#26902720 - 08/27/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Herd mentality exactly. It's about feelings and social acceptance [and on the other side about resisting authority and in some cases just not being concerned. It's also about fear of the virus but I don't expect a majority of people to do the research, see that their face cover is not much more than a social tool and figure out how to make it a reasonably effective sub-micron barrier.
.... I suspect women are much more likely to wear a mask than men.]
"Herd mentality exactly. It's about feelings and social acceptance and"... 
and Herd mentality is just another form of cowardice -- and I must ask my dead sister's forgiveness for not standing up to my father's cruelty and hypocrisy, when we were kids, when he would grab her by the wrist at the dinner table, and slam her whole forearm and elbow down into the table for not obeying and having good manners and keeping her elbows off the table. And this drama repeated night after night .... and mother..... did nothing that put a stop to it either.
And part of fear, is always the fear of feeling my own pain. The pain of having a father so wounded, he cannot feel his own pain, and inflicts it on his own child.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
#26902723 - 08/27/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do not know where the breath may take me next
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
#26902751 - 08/27/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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as no one else signed on for the exorcism of my family of demons ...
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
#26902779 - 08/27/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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good luck with the red one wearing a grey and cream horizontal striped sweater and nothing
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
#26902787 - 08/27/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I remember stories, my great grandfather would keep a cane at the dinner table and whack anyone that spoke out of turn.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26905566 - 08/29/20 07:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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great gif feevers
shows potential of psychedelic
like life being worth living
this is the appeal of psychedelic or one of them
thats how fe wind it or why we prefer them or one of the positive things about them
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Ferdinando]
#26905618 - 08/29/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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you mean his avatar?

looks like the cerebral cortex.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
#26907369 - 08/30/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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ah yes the thing that makes the biggest impression on me of this is
10 hours of meditation a day for a wekk
its like had I only done it when I was 19 or 18
and when will I do it
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Ferdinando]
#26907373 - 08/30/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wonder what retreats mean to it
like in terms of how close to being as good as meditation is
it would be fun to do it and find out and walk around and talk about it
young salvia friend!
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Ferdinando]
#26907453 - 08/30/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Once you find the way, you want to return frequently and regularly. This is more important than staying at the gate all day long.
I would emphasize flexibility, persistence through time, and resilience in dharma/nature study more so than long immersions and periods of no observance or letting it all go to pot.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26909055 - 08/31/20 04:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I said it 4 months ago that America is on a trajectory to oblivion.
Almost 50 people went to hospital for bleach ingestion since August in Texas alone. etc, https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/08/24/almost-50-north-texans-drank-bleach-this-month-poison-center-warns-stop-it-wont-cure-covid/
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: sudly]
#26917926 - 09/04/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anyone keep track of the numbers at the arcgis website?
France for instance, was reporting 500 - 1000 deaths per day during the first wave. They are reporting a second wave. The number of daily infections is now slightly higher than the first wave, about 5000 cases per day. Reported daily deaths averages about 10.
The reported death rate is now 100 times less than the first wave. It was being reported at 10%. Now it's .1 percent.
Anyone think that's peculiar?
Skepticism - The ancient school of Pyrrho of Elis that stressed the uncertainty of our beliefs in order to oppose dogmatism.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26918221 - 09/04/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by laughingdog (09/04/20 11:32 PM)
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