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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26615412 - 04/20/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I find it hard to believe that 60% of people entering law enforcement are greedy and evil degenerates whereas only 6% in scientific professions are.  I’m not saying they are the same but god dam man that’s a discrepancy.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26615475 - 04/20/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

you need thugs to beat thugs,
who goes into the protection business???


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26615495 - 04/20/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Apparently degenerate assholes.  :shrug:


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26615630 - 04/20/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

not all, but, they are the law


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26615725 - 04/20/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No use pretending that good people are not open to temptation or greed. It takes less for a good person to do evil and the more genius they have the higher the consequences, especially when they have a large platform. A scientist may be tempted to manufacture results chasing that nobel prize, or they may be tempted to work for one of those cooporations you are talking about. I don't think there sense in according blind faith to them just because they are smarter and more concious than the wider populous. A thug at least is simply following his nature, he has his own set of parametres to work within for growth and the quality of his action should be judged on the basis of that set.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26615772 - 04/20/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly.  Think of all the bs “studies” that have come out through the years with a hidden agenda and funding.  I’d say at least 10% are lost.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26615913 - 04/20/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

you both just agreed on what exactly?

that a scientist could be a thug, but a thug has no choice so let's gang up on scientists?

that's critical thinking for ya.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26615987 - 04/20/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You touchy brother man. All I said was that you shouldn't have blind faith in science, there's no ganging up on anyone here.

Just look how much harm blind faith in some of the big name psychologists have caused. It's not a hard science sure but still. Besides science is constantly rehashing it's theories so if they had blind faith in their compatriots then what hope would there even be for science?


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26616830 - 04/21/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

can we talk about all that rehashing in science, or do you just want to win this argument and move on to the next?


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26617054 - 04/21/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I knew you'd pick me up on that bit and ignore every other point I've made in the discussion. I suppose you imagine I am some kind of anti vaxxer, that I accord no respect to the scientific consensus. I'm not sure what I've said to give you that impression and I remember you pulled the same crap in our last discussion on it and I made myself pretty clear then. Your one line responses followed by baity quip/projection are awful honestly, I think I will take you up on your offer of letting me win this one so we can move on.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26617064 - 04/21/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26617077 - 04/21/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Grapefruit said:
I knew you'd pick me up on that bit and ignore every other point I've made in the discussion.... and I remember you pulled the same crap in our last discussion  Your one line responses followed by baity quip/projection are awful honestly, ...




indeed, typical,... need not be taken personally, ... apparently a compulsion ...  also to have the last word even at the cost of reducing everything  to puns or other irrelevancies ... blatantly evident as anyone who surveys multiple threads in a detached manner can easily see


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #26617212 - 04/21/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think I perhaps agree, doesn't really seem respectful or in good faith.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26617254 - 04/21/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I agree


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26617293 - 04/21/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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I think I perhaps agree, doesn't really seem respectful or in good faith.




not respectful -- definitely

but perhaps objective

not in good faith -- what a joke -- I said "blatantly evident as anyone who surveys multiple threads in a detached manner can easily see"
this suggests checking out what I say to see if it is true -- for yourself or yourselves, if anyone really gives a shit. It was not a dogmatic statement.

"in good faith" means having not having honest intentions, if you Grapefruit are too afraid of making enemies, to risk telling the truth, then you are the one lacking good faith.

if no one tells him the truth, how will he have clue? He's smart, if given a clue he can easily learn and change a simple behavior IMO. Especially one that is obviously counter productive, and also obvious to anyone who actually pays attention on more than one level.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #26617308 - 04/21/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I said I thought I maybe agreed. I was referring to his approach to debate and not yours, you've always seemed to debate in good faith to me as have many other members of the forum. It's mostly the old guard who seem to be singularly incapable of it.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26617345 - 04/21/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

thanks for the clarification


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #26617370 - 04/21/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

the problem with rgv as I see it is that when multiple points are made so as to present a viewpoint, he will generally take one or at most 2 points and try to iron it out.
more than that is not possible at one time, however if a mess is straightneed out in one place, then it might be possible to connect a straightened out idea with some others, which may also need correction or reduction in order to fit properly.

as a consequence rgv will seem to flatten and grind the edges off of one thing at a time. the goal is to get the pieces working as a unit and if one piece is not good the rest well, the rest may not stand very well, and may not actually be useful.

it is a tireless quest, but some may find it tiresome.

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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26617416 - 04/21/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Fine but why the bait quips at the end, I can't see what they add.

For instance if you had just said "Can we talk about all that rehashing in science?" I might have been a little frustrated that you had not expounded on that at least a little further in order to give me something to work with, but I likely would've responded as best I could. Then you had to follow it up like you did and it was just annoying honestly man, it's a total assumption and perhaps even a projection on your part as I see it, it's not polite and I don't see how it furthers anything.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26617490 - 04/21/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

ok, rehashing is science.
we can only see so far.
scientists are always learning, if they don't want to learn they would not have come to this (constantly "evolving") subject.

Newton was not wrong in his findings, but he would be wrong if he claimed things about light, gravity, and atomic structure based upon his formulae, but he did not strive that far. His was good science for the time and it has been rehashed and will continue to be tuned as we learn more.

Science is all about flattening out the variables and testing  for some particular change, you may discover something in the experiments, and that may change science:
the experiment will be peer reviewed, and if it causes a shift in some fundamental understanding, everything prior should be "rehashed" or modified appropriately in some way so as to accommodate the newly discovered true facet to the nature of reality.

Science is constantly extending (and rehashing what has been extended) ratified understanding about interrelated aspects of reality, but there is no single effective equation that yet defines all that is known.

This is ok. we do know more about medicine than the shamen (pl of shaman?) of 500, 5000, and 50000 years ago, but still people die. We just don't tend to treat patients with rattles and smoke, and usually a patient can get consistent care from hospitals around the world. you could say that Shamanery has been rehashed, but this also does not invalidate the work of a shaman. I just would prefer a graduate of a recognized medical college to feel the glands in my neck.

rehashability is good in science


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