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Chaleq
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Bodily Discomfort and Moral Change.
#26548913 - 03/21/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lately I've been reminiscing on a paper my old philosophy professor had us read. The class was on moral psychology, and the paper discussed the connection between a person being out of their 'comfort zone' and moral change. Namely, the best way to change a persons character or moral code is through uncomfortable confrontations with their beliefs. Contrast this with the standard approach many take in ethics-- sitting behind a desk and thought-experimenting the whole thing into the ground. My question is: what's the best way a person can go about making themselves better, morally? I am butchering a large part of it I'm sure, so if y'all want a copy of the paper I can figure out a way to get it on here.
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Re: Bodily Discomfort and Moral Change. [Re: Chaleq]
#26549019 - 03/21/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The objectivity of 'Better' can be subjective, therefore 'Better' is subjective and variable. e.g tiny-homes can be the means of more income in the way of taxes, insurance, lower utility bills and land sales, but an appreciation of space lends to the purchase of larger homes for those who can afford them.
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Re: Bodily Discomfort and Moral Change. [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#26549316 - 03/21/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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if you’re comparing direct experience to sitting behind a desk and overthinking then yeah, experience is the good bet.
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Re: Bodily Discomfort and Moral Change. [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26549377 - 03/21/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yellow Pants said: if you’re comparing direct experience to sitting behind a desk and overthinking then yeah, experience is the good bet.
We are over reacting to the virus scare. All healthcare workers need to be exposed at the onset so that the survivors can better care for the populace without being a burden on the already strained resources.
Direct experience, however, proves that chaos and apathy is the preferential treatment.
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Re: Bodily Discomfort and Moral Change. [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26549449 - 03/21/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Buster_Brown said:
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Yellow Pants said: if you’re comparing direct experience to sitting behind a desk and overthinking then yeah, experience is the good bet.
We are over reacting to the virus scare. All healthcare workers need to be exposed at the onset so that the survivors can better care for the populace without being a burden on the already strained resources.
Direct experience, however, proves that chaos and apathy is the preferential treatment.
Without consent ?
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Re: Bodily Discomfort and Moral Change. [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26549522 - 03/21/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I presented the argument as counter-point to yours.
A passionate appeal to emotion and sacrifice of reason is expected.
As Bradford Hatcher describes in this year's opening decanate The Two of Wands:
"Human is as human does. Poets will say something different, philosophers too, but they largely describe their own fantasies. We adapt or fail to adapt by our actions, and this is how we become what we are."
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Yellow Pants said: Without consent ?
I imagine a motivational speaker would have some effect in this regard.
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Re: Bodily Discomfort and Moral Change. [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26549624 - 03/21/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right, not familiar with your posting tendencies. It’s definitely a two way street, reflection/action.
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Re: Bodily Discomfort and Moral Change. [Re: Yellow Pants] 1
#26550040 - 03/22/20 12:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi Chaleq , Tonglen Meditation addresses the issue:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tonglen+meditation&t=h_&ia=web
Likewise so called "loving Kindness meditation" deals with the issue.
With the current crisis volunteering may not be such an easy choice.
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Re: Bodily Discomfort and Moral Change. [Re: Chaleq]
#26550791 - 03/22/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chaleq said:
Lately I've been reminiscing on a paper my old philosophy professor had us read. The class was on moral psychology, and the paper discussed the connection between a person being out of their 'comfort zone' and moral change. Namely, the best way to change a persons character or moral code is through uncomfortable confrontations with their beliefs.
I assume the confrontation would be focused on uncovering inconsistencies?
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Chaleq
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Re: Bodily Discomfort and Moral Change. [Re: laughingdog]
#26552494 - 03/23/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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I assume the confrontation would be focused on uncovering inconsistencies?
Here's a quote from the paper: "Bodily disorientations can generate awareness of agents’ limits in strength and power..."
Yeah, the confrontation would confront the persons current belief system, or some held beliefs and lead them to reevaluate or reorder their priorities, resources, etc. I attached a copy of the paper.
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laughingdog said: Hi Chaleq , Tonglen Meditation addresses the issue:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tonglen+meditation&t=h_&ia=web
Likewise so called "loving Kindness meditation" deals with the issue.
With the current crisis volunteering may not be such an easy choice.
I'm interested, I used to read a lot of info on Buddhism but never much on Tibetan aspects. I'll take a look!
-------------------- “Pay heed to the tales of old wives. It may well be that they alone keep in memory what it was once needful for the wise to know.”
Edited by Chaleq (03/23/20 07:18 AM)
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Re: Bodily Discomfort and Moral Change. [Re: Chaleq]
#26553695 - 03/23/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chaleq said: ... My question is: what's the best way a person can go about making themselves better, morally? ....
. An answer given by some is looking within to find what we have not forgiven ourselves for. As long as we have such inner judgements going on, they will also end up being projected onto others.
. As within so without.
. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=self+forgiveness&t=h_&ia=web
. and
https://www.tarabrach.com/self-forgiveness/
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Re: Bodily Discomfort and Moral Change. [Re: laughingdog]
#26554740 - 03/24/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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to wake from sleepy dunderheadedness yes, but moral and spiritual awakening progresses further when there is no pain or tension and the awareness remains keenly attentive to the breath or other matter of interest while not being defensive.
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