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Babylon
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Deciding between grains
#26547787 - 03/20/20 11:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I just visited several feed stores looking for grains. The options appear to be flax seed, peas, soybeans, birdseed with sunflowers in it, birdseed with thistle seeds (nyger) grassseed mix with ryegrass, fescue, and orchard grass
There's also wheat or barley available about a half hour further away.
I don't relish the thought of picking sunflowers out of the birdseed and the nyger one is expensive (plus I haven't seen anyone using thistle seed) should I go the extra half hour to get wheat or barley? Or would the grassseed mix or the flax or peas or beans work?
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: Babylon]
#26547809 - 03/20/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is it possible to find rye grains?
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: Hamsabala]
#26547819 - 03/20/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd go with the wheat, that's what i use. Make sure there's no molasses lol
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: BooShow]
#26547824 - 03/20/20 11:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I never pluck sfs out
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: BooShow]
#26547825 - 03/20/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd probably just buy rye berries online if those were my only choices
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: rumfor69]
#26547842 - 03/20/20 11:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sunflower seeds will typically float right away, before they absorb water so you can usually scoop them out and stir the seed to mix up and that are trapped.
I personally now use whole oats, $15 for a 50 lb bag that will make probably around 100 quart jars and I do bod’s no soak grain prep. They come out a little “stickier” than I would prefer but it’s not much of an issue, certainly outweighs the hassle of soaking grains in my situation.
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: Hamsabala]
#26547857 - 03/21/20 12:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hamsabala said: Is it possible to find rye grains?
just ryegrass, but it also has orchard grass and fescue.
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: Babylon] 1
#26547862 - 03/21/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wheat. Rinse. Hard boil for 15/20 min.
Drain. Air dry. Pc. Easy af.
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: cronicr]
#26547864 - 03/21/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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cronicr said: I never pluck sfs out
Link to my WBS tek
I’ve never removed sunflower seeds. They’re fine. UTSF and see plenty of grows on strait SFS. They actually add nutrition. The one thing I will never use is cracked corn
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: rumfor69]
#26547866 - 03/21/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: I'd probably just buy rye berries online if those were my only choices
Shipping on 50 lbs of grains has to be a monster.
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: Babylon]
#26547869 - 03/21/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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White millet nice, you can follow WBS tek without rinsing or soaking. $20 50lb bag.
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PiptheGreAtest said: White millet nice, you can follow WBS tek without rinsing or soaking. $20 50lb bag.
That’s terrible advice. Stop. Rinse and soak are necessary. Stop taking short cuts. Besides, that takes 15 minutes. If you’re looking for a shortcut, show me how to PC my grains in 15 minutes.
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PiptheGreAtest said: White millet nice, you can follow WBS tek without rinsing or soaking. $20 50lb bag.
That’s terrible advice. Stop. Rinse and soak are necessary. Stop taking short cuts. Besides, that takes 15 minutes. If you’re looking for a shortcut, show me how to PC my grains in 15 minutes.
Do you realize how many teks on here from TC recommend NRNS you got be kidding me!! BODs easy AF just one to mention.
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: Babylon]
#26547895 - 03/21/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Babylon said:
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rumfor69 said: I'd probably just buy rye berries online if those were my only choices
Shipping on 50 lbs of grains has to be a monster.
Shop around online see if anyone has a free shipping on orders over so much spending thing going on
Or if you have a local food co-op they can order you 50lb bags tell em you're using it for fermenting.
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: rumfor69]
#26547898 - 03/21/20 12:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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PiptheGreAtest said: And the list continues... https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23300623#23300623
Both clearly state boiling and rinsing the grains  Read your teks before talking shit, please and thank you. I stick to my previous statement
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Quote:
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PiptheGreAtest said: White millet nice, you can follow WBS tek without rinsing or soaking. $20 50lb bag.
That’s terrible advice. Stop. Rinse and soak are necessary. Stop taking short cuts. Besides, that takes 15 minutes. If you’re looking for a shortcut, show me how to PC my grains in 15 minutes.
We were talking about Rinse and soaking, BODs only has you boil of course which is necessary soaking is not necessary and waste time, Rinsing is only necessary on dirtier grains such as some WBS. My recommendation you it’s keep your mouth shut when someone provides evidence that your careless with your criticism. Would post advice unless have had success with it.
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PiptheGreAtest said: White millet nice, you can follow WBS tek without rinsing or soaking. $20 50lb bag.
Not available in any local store.
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: Babylon]
#26547955 - 03/21/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not sure if you’ve got an aversion to it, but if it is available to you, amazon sells a 10lb bag of rye berries for 10 or 15 bucks. Very clean. I’ve had success. Dallesandro or something? Little pricey, but 30lbs has seen me through three grows with some to spare (a few mono tubs and a ton of shoeboxes.)
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: Babylon]
#26548307 - 03/21/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Babylon said:
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PiptheGreAtest said: White millet nice, you can follow WBS tek without rinsing or soaking. $20 50lb bag.
Not available in any local store.
Milo is also treated just like WBS.
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I can get a 25kg bag of wheat for 15 bucks. It’s feed wheat so gotta rinse it extra but can’t beat it for the price.
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PiptheGreAtest said: White millet nice, you can follow WBS tek without rinsing or soaking. $20 50lb bag.
always at the very least, rinse.
Edited by AtmozFear (03/21/20 08:54 AM)
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curious_humility said: Not sure if you’ve got an aversion to it, but if it is available to you, amazon sells a 10lb bag of rye berries for 10 or 15 bucks. Very clean. I’ve had success. Dallesandro or something? Little pricey, but 30lbs has seen me through three grows with some to spare (a few mono tubs and a ton of shoeboxes.)
I've used those rye berries a bunch of times, they're super clean and work really well.
Wheat and oats are solid choices and I've heard safflower seed is good too. I tend to prefer grain without hulls on them. Organic wheat is ridiculous cheap so that's my go-to.
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: F-Bomb]
#26548787 - 03/21/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wheat or barley is fine to use. I have mostly used wheat because it's cheap and easy to buy where I am. I buy mine from a pet shop. I have also used barley a few times when a shop I went to didn't have any wheat.
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: migraineur]
#26549913 - 03/21/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm probably gonna go with wheat, it looks like oats are also an option but it seems a lot of folks have trouble with bacteria when they use oats.
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: Babylon]
#26549919 - 03/21/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have to say WBS seems to take longer to recover after the shake than oats.
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: Sockadin]
#26549966 - 03/21/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: I have to say WBS seems to take longer to recover after the shake than oats.
I’d like to see the research on that statement. While I’ve never used oats, I’ve used plenty of grains, and they all seem to do the same after the shake. I’m guessing it maybe a genetic thing.
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Never had a problem with sunflowers seeds. If you want to remove them, they tend to float in (at least hot) soak water. You can dip a strainer or colander over the top of your pot and remove 90% of them in a minute if you care.
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I find wheat is easier to shake up than wbs. It's harder to shake apart the smaller grains like millet when the mycelium has colonised them.
I've seen some criticism of wheat being gluggy and glue like because of the higher gluten content but I don't have issues with it. Just don't overcook it.
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: migraineur]
#26550573 - 03/22/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oats should be PC’d for 2 hours at 15-18 psi to have very minimal contamination.
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Re: Deciding between grains [Re: orange771]
#26550673 - 03/22/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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orange771 said: Oats should be PC’d for 2 hours at 15-18 psi to have very minimal contamination.
I've never used oats. Numerous other grains but never oats.
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