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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: SonicTitan] 2
#26547686 - 03/20/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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SonicTitan said: The death rate is lower in US for some reason
tests and time.
i literally came back to the shroomery for koods and wiccanseekers opinion on this, as well as a couple non idiots.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: Nichrome] 1
#26547708 - 03/20/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nichrome said: "Contain" a self replicating microscopic fragment of DNA bonded to a wound up protein that can mutate in a matter of days to have a different mode of existence?
Not self replicating, it requires a living host.
Yes correct. Within the living host it tricks the hosts cells into replicating more viruses until cell death or burst. Sometimes millions of viruses build up before the cell bursts.
So not "self" replicating. 
So to contain the outbreak, hypothetically you don't necessarily have to contain the all the virus particles themselves if you can control everyone's movements, and that is the kind of thing a totalitarian state is probably best equipped to do if anyone. Though they might just be lying.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: psi]
#26547715 - 03/20/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nichrome said: "Contain" a self replicating microscopic fragment of DNA bonded to a wound up protein that can mutate in a matter of days to have a different mode of existence?
Not self replicating, it requires a living host.
Yes correct. Within the living host it tricks the hosts cells into replicating more viruses until cell death or burst. Sometimes millions of viruses build up before the cell bursts.
So not "self" replicating. 
So to contain the outbreak, hypothetically you don't necessarily have to contain the all the virus particles themselves if you can control everyone's movements, and that is the kind of thing a totalitarian state is probably best equipped to do if anyone. Though they might just be lying.
Wow.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: Nichrome]
#26547725 - 03/20/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Go on...
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: Nichrome]
#26547727 - 03/20/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is infuriating. The Chinese made the CDC aware of the outbreak on Jan. 3rd, long before they stopped covering it up in the media. I see the administration trying to blame the Chinese coverup for the situation were in, but in reality the US government knew what was going on from early on. I believe it was dec 31 when some doctors in Wuhan started to notice a spike in patients with an unknown virus.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intelligence-reports-from-january-and-february-warned-about-a-likely-pandemic/2020/03/20/299d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html
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“Donald Trump may not have been expecting this, but a lot of other people in the government were — they just couldn’t get him to do anything about it,” this official said. “The system was blinking red.”
This thread was started a week before the trump administration took any action.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: psi] 1
#26547743 - 03/20/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: I hate to be thinking conspiratorially but god damn it makes no sense china was able to contain it so quick, and have minimal mortality rates
I know they don't have much freedom in the first place, but it still seems odd their deaths just stopped completely.
Maybe they are lying? Am I goin crazy?
WHO says Italy has #2 healthcare, France #1 ...
both are getting destroyed 
I mean China is super totalitarian so that would help them contain it. But yeah I don't have any trust in the regime's honesty.
Dude, China didn't contain it. It's spreading across the whole damn planet! It's not like their problems are over just because they've isolated the most heavily infected areas. They're still getting new cases from abroad and who knows where else in China it's spreading that they're not aware of yet. But yeah it appears they've slowed down the spread for now at least. This is just the first wave of infections.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: Kizzle]
#26547752 - 03/20/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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North Korea claims to have no cases, saying they're immune. I'm sure they're just lying but I can't help but wonder what happened to that Christmas present Kim Jong Un claimed was coming...
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: Kizzle]
#26547758 - 03/20/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well yeah obviously they have not contained the worldwide outbreak, nor does containing the local outbreak for now imply that there will be no other outbreak in the country. And they may just be lying about the numbers.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: psi]
#26547762 - 03/20/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Downtown Denver has 10× police activity today.
Saw a business boarding up their windows.
Like I said a few days ago.
This could be WW3.
We lost.
Life.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods] 3
#26547763 - 03/20/20 10:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm running my PC's twice a day each. All effort is going to edibles. I'm inoculating grain and plugs with all of my most productive cultures. If things get as bad as is said to be possible here then people will really need some good belly filler right about the time they start coming in.
Other than isolation and social distancing, what are some of the things you guys are doing to prepare to bring humanity back to health and happiness as this thing plays out?
Most people I see are preparing for their own personal future. I personally see few that are preparing for afterward when we need to pull together as food and supplies may run short.
I have been to places like El Salvador following massive natural disasters where large %'s of the population were killed and nearly 80% of the population became homeless. Food ran short. Many many people got sick. There was no electricity or clean water due to runoff. It is still a shitshow there nearly 20 years later (for lots of reasons). We can get better and get through this, but when it is time, the risk of getting the virus may be far less than the need for food or a clean drink of water. I really feel for anyone living in a major city right now. Especially any city without decent water of its own that's uphill from the sewer system. My heart also is pouring for anyone who is homeless right now (I'm not hearing any media coverage of what is happening with the homeless or any plans for shelters. If you hear something please let me know)
I know how to run water lines with inline filtration. I've run a kitchen that fed thousands of people without electricity or even lumber for that matter. Many people may die soon. Anyone who has a stake in profits will surely tell the world they'll save you if you buy in in some way. This has happened again and again in history.
Vaccines take a minimum of 3 years to be properly tested. There is a very important reason for that. Please don't expect any new vaccine to save you in the long run. COVID 19 mutates quickly and without very unethical and extreme measures a vaccine is nearly impossible and more likely going to cause more harm than good.
If you feel like picking these words apart in an attempt to prove your own agenda then my opinion is that you're wasting valuable time And I dont have time to argue anyway.
Grain of salt and all that.
I love you all and hope you're all well.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: psi] 1
#26547766 - 03/20/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I guess through all that, it just makes me really suspicious of their mortality count.
There hasn't been any new deaths in a while...but it slowed down so quickly and then just..stopped, yet they were still reporting new cases and sources on the web say they have over 2000 patients in critical condition still
So I do really wonder if maybe there has been way more deaths there than they let on... IDK
not trying to spread conspiracy theories just, it is fucking weird
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: Nichrome]
#26547770 - 03/20/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just road 12,000 miles on a bicycle in less than 1 yr.
I'm in the best shape of my life, have a super immune system, & still in my 20's.
If I die from this.
Y'all are FUCKED.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: PumpJackTeX]
#26547775 - 03/20/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Trade WARS are easy to win.
-Trump
You buy china shit now stupid sick Americans everyone else too sick to make you shit
-Winnie the Pooh
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: sh4d0ws] 1
#26547782 - 03/20/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: I guess through all that, it just makes me really suspicious of their mortality count.
There hasn't been any new deaths in a while...but it slowed down so quickly and then just..stopped, yet they were still reporting new cases and sources on the web say they have over 2000 patients in critical condition still
So I do really wonder if maybe there has been way more deaths there than they let on... IDK
not trying to spread conspiracy theories just, it is fucking weird
There is tons of anecdotal evidence that the outbreak is over in China. The restrictions are coming down, they are watching people coming into the country for reimportation. The temporary hospitals are being closed.
Did they hide deaths? Maybe. I think they realized early on that the only way they could stop the virus is by being accurate with their data. If you are hiding a covid death then you aren’t tracing their contacts and making sure you can break the chain of transmission as much as possible. Hiding one death means possibly allowing a whole new cluster to develop.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: Kizzle]
#26547783 - 03/20/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: North Korea claims to have no cases, saying they're immune.
sure they are North Korea's first confirmed Coronavirus COVID 19 patient shot dead
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
#26547784 - 03/20/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I hope your right.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: Nichrome] 1
#26547788 - 03/20/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The modern world is about to see a disease they all got to witness be stopped in its tracks by a vaccine. The antivaxx movement is doomed.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods] 2
#26547789 - 03/20/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If only it were that easy....
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: Nichrome]
#26547793 - 03/20/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shit is blowing up bigger than bitcoin did last decade.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: PumpJackTeX]
#26547811 - 03/20/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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It’s kinda hard to conceptualize exponential growth until you experience it.
The US case count is over 20,000 now. More than any country except Spain, Italy and China and China doesn’t have many active cases. We are gonna pass Spain tomorrow and we are likely to be the worst hit country by Tuesday or Wednesday. This is terrible.
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