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OfflineHappyHigh
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    #26547374 - 03/20/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

i got half gram of mushy i wanted to mix up with some harmine. i read 200mg is correct first time for harmine?


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Re: harmine dosage with shrooms. [Re: HappyHigh]
    #26547498 - 03/20/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yup, 200mgs of Harmine is a good dosage. Harmine typically goes from like 150mgs to 250mgs, 200mgs is what i usually go for.


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Re: harmine dosage with shrooms. [Re: Sabnock]
    #26547986 - 03/21/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Was looking into this yesterady; Pandemoon’s,post whee he gives you props, sabnock, for his extraction method.

But what I can’t get my head around is how to work out the Doseage of the extracted harmalas.

Pandemoon directed me to a website that details the extract as 95% pure, and is from a shroomery vendor. Does that mean the extract contains 5% harmalas?

Another website gave the following levels of extract:

10x......0.68%
25x......2.40%
50x......6.20% alkaloids

From other browsing, it’s recommended you take 3g to 6g of Syrian rue seeds. But I want to use the extract, so have been trying to convert this.

I reckon to give extract equivalent to 3g Syrian rue (I’m quite small), I would need:-
10x @ 0.68% = 0.3g
25x @ 2.40% = 0.12g
50x @ 6.20% = 0.06g

I have also seen 20x being advertised, which would equate to 0.15g extract for 3g rue.

And if I understand this correctly, the vendor site advertising 95% pure, the one I want to buy as it’s a vendor, would that equate to somewhere between 25x and 50x?

Thanks in advance,
DJ Ed


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Re: harmine dosage with shrooms. [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26567534 - 03/30/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, you are way overthinking this!

95% means 95% harmalas.

The alkaloid content of seeds is inconsistent reports of 3-7% on average may be more, may be less which is why people extract, that and to get rid of any impurities etc. So your assumptions on alkaloid content of the seeds is just that, a guess.

If your normal MAOI dosage or the dosage you are aiming for is 250mg of Harmalas and you now have a 10x extract which is 10 times stronger than your regular dosage, you take 10x less, so 25mg.

Whatever you normally take or would like to take divide it by the extract number; 10,25,50 and that is your dosage for that extract.
examples for normal 250mg dose would be
x10=25mg
x25=10mg
x50=5mg

Hope that helps;)
Kerberus


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Re: harmine dosage with shrooms. [Re: kerberus]
    #26568035 - 03/30/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

mine doesn't say anything x# just that it's 99% pure harmine. i took 150mg solo was nice. took another 100mg with a .55 of mushrooms was a nice night. but the harmine is said to be the least nauseating of the maoi, i got no Nashua but felt a strong headache both sides of head above eye brow almost like i had been flexing the muscles too long. kinda makes me weary of trying it in combo with dmt.


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I have spread my dreams under your feet;
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Re: harmine dosage with shrooms. [Re: kerberus]
    #26568320 - 03/30/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Props, Kerberos, appreciate you taking the time to explain. Saving this one, as I have stacks of Mazatapec which though a wonderful trip, is very short and gentle; reckon it will be a perfect first candidate to try with the harmalas. Thank you,
DJ Ed


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Re: harmine dosage with shrooms. [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26568364 - 03/31/20 01:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm 90kg and I find 200mg harmalas a little heavy, prefer 150-180.


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Re: harmine dosage with shrooms. [Re: kerberus]
    #26568775 - 03/31/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

kerberus said:
Ok, you are way overthinking this!

95% means 95% harmalas.

The alkaloid content of seeds is inconsistent reports of 3-7% on average may be more, may be less which is why people extract, that and to get rid of any impurities etc. So your assumptions on alkaloid content of the seeds is just that, a guess.

If your normal MAOI dosage or the dosage you are aiming for is 250mg of Harmalas and you now have a 10x extract which is 10 times stronger than your regular dosage, you take 10x less, so 25mg.

Whatever you normally take or would like to take divide it by the extract number; 10,25,50 and that is your dosage for that extract.
examples for normal 250mg dose would be
x10=25mg
x25=10mg
x50=5mg

Hope that helps;)
Kerberus




Sorry, but that's wrong and confusing.

The basic information is right: With a 10x extract you need 1/10 of the normal dose.

But these extracts are no 10x extract of pure harmalas. Pure harmalas is as pure as it gets. 250mg of pure harmalas is a very soid dose.
The 10x extract is from raw sees, so you have to take 1/10 of the normal seed-dose, not the harmala dose.

Usually 3 to 4 g of seeds is what you take. With a 10x extract you only need 300 to 400 mg.

But that's sketchy as heck.. 10x extract ok.. but a 20x extract of syrian rue can not exist. It would then be purer than pure.. ?
With ~5% alkaloids a 20x extract would be pure harmala alakloids. They sell 30x extracts? What is this? Those alkaloids cannot be more pure than pure.
All those extracts (besides pure alkaloids) are not worth buying. Dosing is hit or miss, you simply don't know how much alkaloids are in there.


I'm 60 kilos and 200mg is a heavy dose. With shrooms I take 120 to 150mg, of the pure alkaloids.

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Re: harmine dosage with shrooms. [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26568803 - 03/31/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the update, Pandemoon, I was almost fooled there. I’ll wait for the shroomery vendor link to come back, gonna get some of that 95% you pointed me to.

In case y’all interested, I’m following shroomery recommendations on Friday and will be taking my frozen fresh Mazatapec tea in a pina colada smoothie. Ingredients arrived so will be doing a dry run tonight with water ice cubes. 60ml white rum, 60ml coconut cream, 120ml pineapple juice, blended with ice mmm mmm mmm


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Re: harmine dosage with shrooms. [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26568914 - 03/31/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Cheers:


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Re: harmine dosage with shrooms. [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26587061 - 04/08/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Whatever the equivalent of 3g of Syrian rue seeds provide in terms of harmaline is the mg I would recommend. It was just enough to work but without any stomache issues


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