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UK Corona Virus Crisis - Government Strategy
    #26546873 - 03/20/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hi all,

The response here in the UK from the government has been truly farcical, with an initial stance of allowing herd immunity to develop, being swiftly back-tracked upon and flat out denied several days later by the health secretary, following a backlash from, apparently, every leading health expert, other than the two senior medics taking orders from...AHEM!..I mean, providing advice to, our government. Since then, they appear to have decided to minimise embarrassment by taking days to inform the British public that, unsurprisingly, the strategy is actually going to be the same one that we're seeing enacted across the rest of Europe. The latest chapter in this disturbing charade was a few hours ago, when they've revealed that now, a shut down of pubs and restaurants must be enforced, as we weren't keeping enough social distance - well, no shit, as the previous lackadaisical response of the government has meant that the majority of the British public had taken their lead, and carried on their lives normally!

So, what do you think? Was this a Dominic Cummings plot to euthenise the old and infirm? The Tory Party attempting to appease their corporate donors by trying to avoid crashing the economy, and leaving things catastrophically too late? Are our two leading medics just a couple of mavericks who thought that this was a good time to try a different tack than seemingly every other affected nation within Europe?

Interested to hear your thoughts! Cheers


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Re: UK Corona Virus Crisis - Government Strategy [Re: Shroomus]
    #26546997 - 03/20/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Their response has been good. They're clearly running a flexible operation and are putting up massive amounts of cash to protect people, without cracking down on liberties like China. Boris has run it sensibly and with a good manner of leading the nation. If we weather this alright, which we probably will, Boris will be seen as one of the best PMs in history. Rishi Sunak has also responded very well - he will be a future Tory leader and probably PM.

Lots of Labour types online using this as a chance to play politics


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Re: UK Corona Virus Crisis - Government Strategy [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #26547031 - 03/20/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The reality is that they've now cracked down on civil liberties anyway, similarly to how other EU states have, and they've acted too late..

I expect you'll possibly categorise CNN as 'Labour types', but just looking at the content in the following article, what is your take on the point being made? I'd genuinely like to believe that there is something they know that the other EU leaders don't..

CNN - What does Britain know about Coronavirus  that the rest of Europe doesn't?


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Re: UK Corona Virus Crisis - Government Strategy [Re: Shroomus]
    #26547042 - 03/20/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's hitting every country differently and the UK has the some of the best research facilities for this in the world - not just public institutions buy also top security gov facilities like Porton Down. Most other euros seem to have gone all out from the start with no flexibility. UK strategy will be to move back and forth between tighter and fewer restrictions


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    #26547064 - 03/20/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think we in the Netherlands are still acting in accordance with the whole herd immunity thing

I also feel my government has been severely lacking in taking timely and appropiate measures

The fact that I have plenty of facemasks while there is a national shortage for healthcare workers basically says it all


The two so called right wing political parties have been pleading for action since late january but everything they suggest is automatically blocked by the so called center and left "cordon sanitaire"

Our minister of Healthcare quit his job yesterday


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Re: UK Corona Virus Crisis - Government Strategy [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #26547065 - 03/20/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Do you believe that there has been specific research conducted at those facilities which has given cause to enforce the current plans, i.e to gradually introduce the same restructions most EU states have introduced, as opposed to going "all out from the start"? If so, do you believe it involves, to give examples, computerised modelling or further scientific understanding of the disease itself, etc?


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Re: UK Corona Virus Crisis - Government Strategy [Re: Shroomus]
    #26547132 - 03/20/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

They've done all sorts of research into biological outbreaks and attacks. Yeah I think i did read the other day that Cummings was involved in some high tech digital approach to modelling the disease, I think that Cambridge analytical company was involved again. I'm sure he is as that seems to be his thing


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Re: UK Corona Virus Crisis - Government Strategy [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #26547205 - 03/20/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Tripsurfer said:
I think we in the Netherlands are still acting in accordance with the whole herd immunity thing

I also feel my government has been severely lacking in taking timely and appropiate measures

The fact that I have plenty of facemasks while there is a national shortage for healthcare workers basically says it all


The two so called right wing political parties have been pleading for action since late january but everything they suggest is automatically blocked by the so called center and left "cordon sanitaire"

Our minister of Healthcare quit his job yesterday





Sounds totally assbackwards :crankey:


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Re: UK Corona Virus Crisis - Government Strategy [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #26547216 - 03/20/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hope you're holding up OK!

I was baffled by even Chinas delay in enforcing the resulting lock downs to the extent that they ended up doing, and I was calling for the UK to stop airport movements, enforce quarantine where necessary, and control and limit the flow of goods into the country weeks ago. To be 100% clear, I was, at that time, cognisant that I came to this conclusion partly because I like to look at complex problems objectively and try to solve them, and partly because I suffer from severe anxiety at times and so planning for apocalypses/disasters is something I seem to be drawn to, so I'm a fully qualified 'armchair-expert' when it comes to epidemiology. When I heard the herd immunity strategy, I initially thought it sounded very encouraging, as by then it was clear the virus was active within the UK, and had likely spread too far, but when I looked at the infection rates elsewhere, it seemed to me to only be viable if the infection could spread across the nation and infect everybody in a few days, effectively leaving us without a health service for a couple of weeks, due to the rates of critical care required, and leading to horrific consequences, which at that stage might well be the best possible outcome. But it seemed more likely to me that the virus would take over a month to infect everybody, just by using basic maths, and this sustained hospitalisation would mean virtually no health service for months, and a complete disaster, with non-coronavirus fatalities leading to a catastrophic death toll.


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Re: UK Corona Virus Crisis - Government Strategy [Re: Shroomus]
    #26547413 - 03/20/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, I understand that all governments have contingency for disease outbreaks and attacks - thank Christ they do!

Modelling is carried out by SAGE (the government agency, rather than the accounting software, although they may well have been better suited). Cummings led the government to reach out to some tech companies, two weeks ago, but in terms of modelling, there was already data available and clear patterns emerging in terms of infection rates within infected countries.

Cambridge Analytica - good one!

The decision to delay lockdown was possibly taken as a result of behavioural studies undertaken by central government's 'Nudge Unit'. This was predicated on the basis that the public would dislike sweeping measures to protect them. I don't believe it to be plausible that, knowing how quickly the spread would become apparent to the general public, concern over "isolation fatigue" would be in any way a genuine reason to delay containment measures.

I've just found this excerpt, published today by Professor Pete Lunn...an opposite number at the ESRI. It makes for interesting reading, even if my assertion is incorrect -

"Why the government is getting it wrong

At this point, you might wonder what advice behavioural scientists have actually given the UK government regarding Covid-19. As a behavioural scientist whose job is to produce evidence for policy in Ireland, I certainly do. There should be a clear articulation of a strategy that is best for all, encouraging behaviours that everyone can get behind in a national collective effort, and that people can badger their fellow citizens to stick to. Instead, there are foggy statements of rationale, for behaviours that are disputed by national experts, that some people are encouraging their fellow citizens to stick two fingers up to. My mother is in her seventies and lives in Oxford, where I grew up. Her response to current official advice is unprintable.

UK policy is now playing catch up on Covid-19, having departed from the global norm. Something went wrong and, to be clear, I am not the only behavioural scientist who thinks so. An open letter to government from more than 200 behavioural scientists expressed concern about the quality of behavioural evidence being relied upon. The early signatories read like a Who’s Who of British behavioural science. The international network of applied behavioural scientists to which I belong has been sharing the relevant tweets and posts, aghast and uncomprehending.

Let us take a pace backwards, for there is an irony here. The UK has led the world in the application of behavioural science to policy. After the “Nudge Unit” (or, more formally, the Behavioural Insights Team) was set up in the Cabinet Office 10 years ago, many were quick to deride it, or dismiss it as a fad. These detractors were wrong. An initially small team made successful contributions to multiple policy challenges, leading to expansion and emulators around the world. Some signatories of the open letter have supported and worked with the Behavioural Insights Team.

So what went wrong? Only those on the inside will truly know. Yet from a distance, as someone who does similar work, I see lessons that perhaps we can all draw upon. We are, after all, trying to fight the same lethal virus."

There is also an article by Dr Richard Horton which is worth a read.


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Re: UK Corona Virus Crisis - Government Strategy [Re: Shroomus]
    #26595727 - 04/12/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The Guardian has just released a piece related to the UK government stance on the previously denied 'herd-immunity strategy' -

RevealedDocuments contradict UK government stance on 'herd immunity'

Within the article they've made a plea to anybody within the government or it's agencies to come forward with information -an unusual step for a newspaper to take at a time like this.


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    #26595748 - 04/12/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

As soon as the lockdowns eased it will resurface.


These guys have been lying in wait like predators for years for this... the globalists have all been talking about it coming...

They have a plan alright but its got nothing to do with health and everything to do with control.


The NWO is litterally uncloaking in front of us....

The key factors of the NWO control grid will be,
electronic tracking
monitoring of vaccination (monitoring of compliance)
grassing up or dobbing in others who do not comply to the control orders (self policing)


and we are all going to accept it and say its justified.

We will bully and force others who do not comply.

Ultimately the gov has total control over the indiviudal because your ability to move and eat can be electronically turned off if you do not comply.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/12/nhs-creating-contact-tracing-app-prevent-future-outbreaks-coronavirus-12546936/

The tracking app will be from the NHS... nice and friendly government control via the NHS :frown:

Once a few people are on board with it the rest will be BULLIED into it by social compliance and the inability to work or travel without the app...

Its going to monitor you for vaccine COMPLIANCE.

Remember this...



Its what they've been planning and telling us they will do all along.

The virus is just the trigger.


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Re: UK Corona Virus Crisis - Government Strategy [Re: HappySloth]
    #26597356 - 04/13/20 07:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

HappySloth said:
As soon as the lockdowns eased it will resurface.


These guys have been lying in wait like predators for years for this... the globalists have all been talking about it coming...

They have a plan alright but its got nothing to do with health and everything to do with control.


The NWO is litterally uncloaking in front of us....

The key factors of the NWO control grid will be,
electronic tracking
monitoring of vaccination (monitoring of compliance)
grassing up or dobbing in others who do not comply to the control orders (self policing)


and we are all going to accept it and say its justified.

We will bully and force others who do not comply.

Ultimately the gov has total control over the indiviudal because your ability to move and eat can be electronically turned off if you do not comply.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/12/nhs-creating-contact-tracing-app-prevent-future-outbreaks-coronavirus-12546936/

The tracking app will be from the NHS... nice and friendly government control via the NHS :frown:

Once a few people are on board with it the rest will be BULLIED into it by social compliance and the inability to work or travel without the app...

Its going to monitor you for vaccine COMPLIANCE.

Remember this...



Its what they've been planning and telling us they will do all along.

The virus is just the trigger.





:notlikely:


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Re: UK Corona Virus Crisis - Government Strategy [Re: HappySloth]
    #26597424 - 04/13/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

HappySloth said:
As soon as the lockdowns eased it will resurface.


These guys have been lying in wait like predators for years for this... the globalists have all been talking about it coming...

They have a plan alright but its got nothing to do with health and everything to do with control.


The NWO is litterally uncloaking in front of us....

The key factors of the NWO control grid will be,
electronic tracking
monitoring of vaccination (monitoring of compliance)
grassing up or dobbing in others who do not comply to the control orders (self policing)


and we are all going to accept it and say its justified.

We will bully and force others who do not comply.

Ultimately the gov has total control over the indiviudal because your ability to move and eat can be electronically turned off if you do not comply.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/12/nhs-creating-contact-tracing-app-prevent-future-outbreaks-coronavirus-12546936/

The tracking app will be from the NHS... nice and friendly government control via the NHS :frown:

Once a few people are on board with it the rest will be BULLIED into it by social compliance and the inability to work or travel without the app...

Its going to monitor you for vaccine COMPLIANCE.

Remember this...



Its what they've been planning and telling us they will do all along.

The virus is just the trigger.



I would literally die before I let them give me a "vaccine". As for control? If it really does get to that point then I will start a rebellion. Simple as that.


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Re: UK Corona Virus Crisis - Government Strategy [Re: HappySloth]
    #26649443 - 05/05/20 12:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/03/coronavirus-health-passports-for-uk-possible-in-months
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Tech firms are in talks with ministers about creating health passports to help Britons return safely to work using coronavirus testing and facial recognition.

Facial biometrics could be used to help provide a digital certificate – sometimes known as an immunity passport – proving which workers have had Covid-19, as a possible way of easing the impact on the economy and businesses from ongoing physical distancing even after current lockdown measures are eased.





I hate being right all the time.  By their fruits ye shall know them.  I said right at the start of all this its about tracking us, the virus will be all hype.  Everything I said is coming to fruition it fucking sucks.  Obvious NWO is obvious.


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