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Orange24
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Second trip different setting?
#26546664 - 03/20/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I decided to trip, finally. It took me a year of contemplating but an hour into my hike on 3g I had no idea what I was ever afraid of. What a serene and REAL experience. Nothing quite like it and as you can imagine I can’t wait to do it again.
My question is, what if I was to do it alone in a dark room on my bed like many have done? The hike felt very safe because visually everything was beautiful and get very meditative being in nature. What kind of experience can I expect ( if that’s even possible to predict) doing it without anything visually stimulating and in an enclosed space? Was there one you enjoyed more vs the other?
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Re: Second trip different setting? [Re: Orange24] 1
#26546711 - 03/20/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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In the bed is nice. Its relaxing and you can just let your mind wander. You can enjoy the beauty of your mind and the mushrooms.
Outside is nice because you can enjoy the beauty of mother nature.
I like the bed option because I dont have to worry about anything. I just lay there.
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The Mycologist said: In the bed is nice. Its relaxing and you can just let your mind wander. You can enjoy the beauty of your mind and the mushrooms.
Outside is nice because you can enjoy the beauty of mother nature.
I like the bed option because I dont have to worry about anything. I just lay there.
Do you have a preferred dose in bed?
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Re: Second trip different setting? [Re: Orange24]
#26546865 - 03/20/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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An eighth is a good middle to high dose. (In a tea of course)
I also like to take a hot shower for the come up.
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The Mycologist said: An eighth is a good middle to high dose. (In a tea of course)
I also like to take a hot shower for the come up.
I grinded it all up into powder to microdose but didn’t get much from that. So tea is impossible, gotta deal with slight nausea but oh well.
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Re: Second trip different setting? [Re: Orange24]
#26547946 - 03/21/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You could soak the powder in lemon juice and just chug that down after it’s soaked for 15mins. Or no reason you still couldn’t make a tea; though you;l not be able to strain as well, so will still get some stomach discomfort.
I’d recommend you jump from 3g to 4g if you’re staying indoors, in a safe place. Or even go straight to 5g, but note it will be quite a bit more intense than 4g.
Good luck DJ Ed
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Re: Second trip different setting? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26548533 - 03/21/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said: You could soak the powder in lemon juice and just chug that down after it’s soaked for 15mins. Or no reason you still couldn’t make a tea; though you;l not be able to strain as well, so will still get some stomach discomfort.
I’d recommend you jump from 3g to 4g if you’re staying indoors, in a safe place. Or even go straight to 5g, but note it will be quite a bit more intense than 4g.
Good luck DJ Ed
Do you find lemon tek actually does increase the effects?
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Re: Second trip different setting? [Re: Orange24]
#26548567 - 03/21/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes it generally makes the peak stronger, but also shorter.
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Re: Second trip different setting? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26548641 - 03/21/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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LemonTek is just like tea. All the lemon does is acidifying the water, which quickens up the process of extracting the actives into the water. Psilocybin keeps psyilcybin. Citric acid does not convert it into psilocin, that's a myth. Other enzymes are needed for this conversion, acid alone does not convert anything.
In the end it's the same as tea, just cold and more lemon taste.
The reason it's quicker is because the actives get absorbed by out gut way faster if already dissolved in solution /water. The dose gets into out bloodstream within a couple of mintes, it hits you like ll at once. 
When eating dried shrooms the stomache has to digest and break up the cells of the shrooms, which can take up to a full hour. So when eating shrooms the complete dose gets absorbed / ingested slowly over half an hour to an hour. With tea or lemon tek it gets absorbed within a few minutes only. That's why it comes on much quicker and feels stronger, and the trip overall is like an hour shorter.
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Re: Second trip different setting? [Re: Pandemoon]
#26548650 - 03/21/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: LemonTek is just like tea. All the lemon does is acidifying the water, which quickens up the process of extracting the actives into the water. Psilocybin keeps psyilcybin. Citric acid does not convert it into psilocin, that's a myth. Other enzymes are needed for this conversion, acid alone does not convert anything.
In the end it's the same as tea, just cold and more lemon taste.
The reason it's quicker is because the actives get absorbed by out gut way faster if already dissolved in solution /water. The dose gets into out bloodstream within a couple of mintes, it hits you like ll at once. 
When eating dried shrooms the stomache has to digest and break up the cells of the shrooms, which can take up to a full hour. So when eating shrooms the complete dose gets absorbed / ingested slowly over half an hour to an hour. With tea or lemon tek it gets absorbed within a few minutes only. That's why it comes on much quicker and feels stronger, and the trip overall is like an hour shorter.
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So...theoretically I can take my 3.5g powdered mushies, add to an empty teabag and staple back up, then squeeze a couple lemons in the cup with the tea bag and wait a half hour and then drink the mushroom infused juice? You’re saying this is = to if I was to just add boiling water to the tea bag and wait 15-20 mins? Effects are the same?
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Re: Second trip different setting? [Re: Orange24]
#26548686 - 03/21/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Should be.
I always ingest my soaked shrooms also, I don't filter anything out. If you do you might want to use warm or hot water, to make sure all activees get extracted / dissolved.
But don't use a couple of lemons, one is all you need. You might want to dilute it with some tabwater also, to get to the desired ammount of liquid. Pure lemon juice just tastes horrible, you dont want to drink a cup full of it.
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Re: Second trip different setting? [Re: Pandemoon]
#26548690 - 03/21/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: Should be.
I always ingest my soaked shrooms also, I don't filter anything out. If you do you might want to use warm or hot water, to make sure all activees get extracted / dissolved.
But don't use a couple of lemons, one is all you need. You might want to dilute it with some tabwater also, to get to the desired ammount of liquid. Pure lemon juice just tastes horrible, you dont want to drink a cup full of it.
After the lemon tek you find no difference between that and tea? Lemon seems easier then. Also yeah I’d dilute for sure. When you drink the crushed shrooms you still Are able to avoid the nausea using the lemon tek ?
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Re: Second trip different setting? [Re: Pandemoon]
#26548701 - 03/21/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry dude I wasn’t clear earlier; the lemon juice does the dephospheralistion thing which basically does a step the liver needs to do, and makes the body’s conversion to psilocin that bit quicker.
Thanks for clarifying
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Re: Second trip different setting? [Re: Orange24]
#26548710 - 03/21/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't feel any difference at all.
Lemon juice is water. Tea is water. Water extract the actives. You ingest the water. There is no difference. 
Usually with tea, most people also add some lemon juice to the mix. So the line between both processes are blurred anyway.
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Re: Second trip different setting? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26548724 - 03/21/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said: Sorry dude I wasn’t clear earlier; the lemon juice does the dephospheralistion thing which basically does a step the liver needs to do, and makes the body’s conversion to psilocin that bit quicker.
Thanks for clarifying 
The liver thing is important. It's enzymes in the liver that do the conversion. Not the stomache acid. Acid is not able to hydrolyze psilocybin. That's why citric acid does not convert psilocybin into psilocin. Enzymes in our liver do so.
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Re: Second trip different setting? [Re: Pandemoon]
#26549939 - 03/21/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Food processor, anything liquid with citric acid and fresh fruits. Most intense method for me. Tea is relatively predictable come up but the cold "fresh smoothie" always gets a fucking WHOA! from me.
If dried is all you have, crush them into powder before packing the tea bag. I like the reusable clothe ones. They are so cheap i just use them once though.
The smoothie is a little harder to get down than tea because the fresh fruits can make it a bit frothy... but god damn you get launched!
I like to use [about 1/3-1/2 depending on how big the mushies are] of the Energy blend drink from 711 its like $1.29. It has a nice not-too-sweet tropical flavor along with ginseng and caffeine from green tea and guarana.
Since ive been using it the strangehold has been much calmer and im able to control my wandering thoughts during the crossing to the otherside. Once im there its bliss. Maybe its the ginseng. Who knows but i def like it.
The flavor really goes well masks that notoriously hideous flavor. Provides a little mental alertness and pep during the trip too IME.
You can also use that drink 1:1 with some water[maybe 3-4oz of each] in the tea. Again, i find the flavor to be great. No more yucky face after the chug.

Also, I avoid orange flavors for the smoothie. Horrible flavor pairing with cubes. Eeeyuk!
Edited by shevanel (03/21/20 11:25 PM)
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