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Do you toss out your plates?
    #26544567 - 03/19/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I now have several plates that contain quite a lot of mycelium and I hate to throw them out. I have a friend
who raises cattle just down the road and I was thinking about transferring them to a liquid culture
and distributing them to the cow pies in his pasture. What do you think the chances of the mycelium
surviving long enough to fruit and sporelate?

What do y'all do with yours?


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: oldest hippie]
    #26544589 - 03/19/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Very, very unlikely to work.  If you have a bunch of germ plates sitting around and there's nothing colorful on them, there's no rule preventing you from putting it to grain.  I do it ocasionally when I'm bored or have time.  Sometimes you get good fruits.  If a plate is totally fucked I'm not gonna bother.  But yeah... LC to patties would be wasting your time unfortunately.  Spores in water trough?  Yes.  Did that in NC.  Never once seen a patty inoculation work.


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26544593 - 03/19/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Why don't you keep the plates longer term?


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #26544617 - 03/19/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You would have more luck with grain instead of LC. Last year I got some cow patties and dumped a little bit of grain on the ground and set them on top with decent results about 2 weeks later after a heavy rain. It could be a way to introduce cubes into a field but I’m not sure:shrug:


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26544629 - 03/19/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Very, very unlikely to work.  If you have a bunch of germ plates sitting around and there's nothing colorful on them, there's no rule preventing you from putting it to grain.  I do it ocasionally when I'm bored or have time.  Sometimes you get good fruits.  If a plate is totally fucked I'm not gonna bother.  But yeah... LC to patties would be wasting your time unfortunately.  Spores in water trough?  Yes.  Did that in NC.  Never once seen a patty inoculation work.




I figured that, but I may try it anyway. Perhaps pick up a couple of field dried patties and inoculate
the grass underneath and put the patties back. Ps. Cubensis has been found within 100 miles from where
I live, but I have never found one. I would like to introduce them to the biosphere.

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Why don't you keep the plates longer term?




The mycelium has reached the edge of the plate, and I transferred some to 3 other plates. I currently
have a couple of projects in the fruiting stage, and don't have the room for more tubs.


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: oldest hippie]
    #26544652 - 03/19/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just to play devil's advocate and to expand on SF96's comment: I have tossed LC in potted plant soil (dung enriched) and watched mats of myelium grow in the soil (no fruits howver...)... so maybe you'll have some luck with that plan.  I do think as was mentioned that grain would be more reasonably expected to succeed.  Cool to hear that grain story either way, SF96!  Love hearing people's outdoor success stories.  Whatever you do, give us an update.  We need more outdoor experimentation.  But also- in view of your goal- don't forget (when you are able and have the ability to make a lot of spore solution) to introduce some spores to their water troughs.  Time tested method (and the way you'd want to go about doing things as efficiently as possible).  You'll likely have to repeat this eveery year (unless global warming gives you a helping hand) but think of all the time you get to spend with cows! :psycow: 


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: alaskappalachian] * 1
    #26544842 - 03/19/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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SFS96 said:
You would have more luck with grain instead of LC. Last year I got some cow patties and dumped a little bit of grain on the ground and set them on top with decent results about 2 weeks later after a heavy rain. It could be a way to introduce cubes into a field but I’m not sure:shrug:




Grain is definitely an option, LC is easier! I dumped a grain bag that had some contaminate, I think that
there was some mycelium, but it had a smell that I wasn't familiar with. It was the kind of smell
that stays in your nose for entirely too long! Anyway, I will keep checking the pile and see what pops up.

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Just to play devil's advocate and to expand on SF96's comment: I have tossed LC in potted plant soil (dung enriched) and watched mats of myelium grow in the soil (no fruits howver...)... so maybe you'll have some luck with that plan.  I do think as was mentioned that grain would be more reasonably expected to succeed.  Cool to hear that grain story either way, SF96!  Love hearing people's outdoor success stories.  Whatever you do, give us an update.  We need more outdoor experimentation.  But also- in view of your goal- don't forget (when you are able and have the ability to make a lot of spore solution) to introduce some spores to their water troughs.  Time tested method (and the way you'd want to go about doing things as efficiently as possible).  You'll likely have to repeat this eveery year (unless global warming gives you a helping hand) but think of all the time you get to spend with cows! :psycow: 




The spore idea is something else that I thought about, but I hadn't thought about putting it in the water trough.
I was going to spread it on the grass, but the water trough is a much better idea. The only setback is that
I have no fruit yet, but I have a lot of mycelia.
We now have Armadillos in GA so I guess that global warming is having an effect. So maybe!
The cattle are Watusi bulls with horns that span 6 feet and are a foot in diameter! So I don't want
to spend a lot of time with them!


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: oldest hippie]
    #26544951 - 03/19/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Oh snap... maybe not.


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: oldest hippie]
    #26544957 - 03/19/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Why wouldn't it work with LC to patties? You may never see fruits because fruiting will happen only when conditions are right. So if it never gets the right moisture over several days  and then drying out they won't produce.

It could work...

Don't out spores in the water trough makes the water taste like shit.

Spores to patties seems like a crap shoot, but a true LC grown out and poured under a pattie that has been excremented for a few weeks and had time to sun bake. I would lift it and pour the LC underneath and set it back. Come back and water the top of the party after a couple of weeks.


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26544969 - 03/19/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Why wouldn't it work with LC to patties? You may never see fruits because fruiting will happen only when conditions are right. So if it never gets the right moisture over several days  and then drying out they won't produce.

It could work...




It would work better than putting them in the garbage! I may make up some grain jars and try that as well.


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26544982 - 03/19/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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:whattefuck2:

Oh snap... maybe not.



This is Lil Abner. There is a patty right in front of him. It is fresh, and all I have to do is lift it up a little bit!


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26544999 - 03/19/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Why wouldn't it work with LC to patties? You may never see fruits because fruiting will happen only when conditions are right. So if it never gets the right moisture over several days  and then drying out they won't produce.

It could work...

Don't out spores in the water trough makes the water taste like shit.

Spores to patties seems like a crap shoot, but a true LC grown out and poured under a pattie that has been excremented for a few weeks and had time to sun bake. I would lift it and pour the LC underneath and set it back. Come back and water the top of the party after a couple of weeks.





On the off chance you could get it to work, it would be the slowest way possible to accomplish introducing cubensis to that field.  The shortest, most efficient way is spores to sater supply.  Trough water is horrid anyway.  They won't notice one bit and you don't need a ton.  That was how we had fun in western NC in 1999-2000.  I would definately do the soil under/around if you wanted to try.  I second the watering, but question the sanity of the water administrator after seeing the stock in that field...


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26545034 - 03/19/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Why wouldn't it work with LC to patties? You may never see fruits because fruiting will happen only when conditions are right. So if it never gets the right moisture over several days  and then drying out they won't produce.

It could work...

Don't out spores in the water trough makes the water taste like shit.

Spores to patties seems like a crap shoot, but a true LC grown out and poured under a pattie that has been excremented for a few weeks and had time to sun bake. I would lift it and pour the LC underneath and set it back. Come back and water the top of the party after a couple of weeks.




I'm not sure how Abner would feel about the water!

We have been getting so much rain these days that I probably wouldn't have to worry about
coming back to water it. It seems to me that, in the wild, mycelium doesn't need grain to propagate.
It colonizes from spores. Inoculating with mycelium would give it a head start. Don't you think?
In either case it is a crap shoot. If it works maybe I can increase the range of this organism.
Which, I believe, is the reason that it interacts with humans the way that it does. Bob McPherson
singlehandedly increased the range of this FunGuy beyond the bounds of my imagination!  Nobody had ever
heard of or imagined that there was a mushroom that had such a profound effect on human beings
until 1957. In 1961 Alcoa Presents did a show about "Magic Mushrooms". I remember that.
It was about the Wassons had their first Mexican mushroom ceremony. Now, people are growing it all
over the world. Pretty smart fungus don't you think?


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: oldest hippie]
    #26545286 - 03/19/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I reuse my pp5 holy grail plates. Just chunk out the jello covered in mycelia.


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: eatyualive]
    #26545348 - 03/19/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah love the documentary. But I think plates is a safer bet than spore to water.


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26545418 - 03/19/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I compost them


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: oldest hippie]
    #26545859 - 03/20/20 04:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Very, very unlikely to work.  If you have a bunch of germ plates sitting around and there's nothing colorful on them, there's no rule preventing you from putting it to grain.  I do it ocasionally when I'm bored or have time.  Sometimes you get good fruits.  If a plate is totally fucked I'm not gonna bother.  But yeah... LC to patties would be wasting your time unfortunately.  Spores in water trough?  Yes.  Did that in NC.  Never once seen a patty inoculation work.




I figured that, but I may try it anyway. Perhaps pick up a couple of field dried patties and inoculate
the grass underneath and put the patties back. Ps. Cubensis has been found within 100 miles from where
I live, but I have never found one. I would like to introduce them to the biosphere.

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Why don't you keep the plates longer term?




The mycelium has reached the edge of the plate, and I transferred some to 3 other plates. I currently
have a couple of projects in the fruiting stage, and don't have the room for more tubs.




Put them in the fridge they last apparently, stops further growth but preserves the mycelium


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26547410 - 03/20/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah love the documentary. But I think plates is a safer bet than spore to water.




Sorry for that, it is a part of getting old. Things remind me of other things and they remind me of
something else! Besides, I don't think that PF gets enough credit for his contribution to the mushroom
growing community. I mean, everyone knows who Johnny Appleseed is! Shit there I go again!


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Re: Do you toss out your plates? [Re: oldest hippie]
    #26557320 - 03/25/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, I made 3 grain jars, 200 ml LC, and put the rest in the pile where I dumped my contaminated grain bag.
It already had mycelium growing in it so I added more and covered it up with the rye grain. Problem solved!


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