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OfflinePatlal
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Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? * 1
    #26543353 - 03/18/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If we all say no to the quarantines, the weak die and the survivors have a new immunity.

You can't possibly that attached to grandpa...  Let him go... For the greater good.

Once we all get it, we're all immune.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #26543366 - 03/18/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Untrue.  Some people have already been reinfected.  You're also forgetting that further mutations can take place, as there are already two strains of COVID-19 that we are aware of publicly: the S and L strains, the latter of which is statistically more deadly. 


Then again, there's always hoping grandpa has a big estate that he has willed to you. 😂😅


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal] * 3
    #26543368 - 03/18/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:hahawot:


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Asclepius] * 8
    #26543371 - 03/18/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah someone wants his inheritance..We have much to learn from our elderly sir


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Led Zeppelin] * 24
    #26543400 - 03/18/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah someone wants his inheritance.




Pat's a ruthless landlord and it appears he is ready to expand his subdivision known as Patlal Gardens



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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Niffla] * 7
    #26543403 - 03/18/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Priceless.  :jolly:


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Niffla] * 4
    #26543410 - 03/18/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

That’s hilarious lol

For real tho it would make much more sense to let all the stupid,weak, and mentally ill die than the elderly. That would be like 80% of people tho haha


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Led Zeppelin] * 14
    #26543422 - 03/18/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If everyone was okay with that, it would mean the world is populated by sociopaths. It would also mean that modern medicine would've never evolved and chances are you'd be dead already. Whether you realize it or not you're already reaping the benefits of the instinct to preserve life.

Just cuz you're alive now doesn't mean you're one of the strongest/fittest alive. It means you benefit from modern medicine and you've just been lucky enough to not contract an illness that it can't solve yet.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26543423 - 03/18/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Because old people show up to vote better than young people.





But seriously letting the old die is kind of the plan here. It's a year away from a vaccine. A fuck ton of old people are going to die. It's going to be the greatest transfer of wealth ever seen. Property values are going to plummet when all the kids put the houses up for sale.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal] * 16
    #26543427 - 03/18/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Because I have empathy for the people I love. Pretty straight forward, really.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #26543435 - 03/18/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If everyone was okay with that, it would mean the world is populated by sociopaths. It would also mean that modern medicine would've never evolved and chances are you'd be dead already. Whether you realize it or not you're already reaping the benefits of the instinct to preserve life.

Just cuz you're alive now doesn't mean you're one of the strongest/fittest alive. It means you benefit from modern medicine and you've just been lucky enough to not contract an illness that it can't solve yet.




I don’t think you would necessarily have to be a sociopath to be ok with that, like if you had some reason to believe it absolutely needed to happen and we’re able to think objectively. It will all happen naturally anyway. The theory still holds true. And I’m not saying I wouldn’t be one of those to go


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Led Zeppelin] * 5
    #26543451 - 03/18/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

OP when did you last eat any psychedelics?


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Led Zeppelin] * 14
    #26543453 - 03/18/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe we should let the coldhearted and ruthless die.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #26543457 - 03/18/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)





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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Asante]
    #26543477 - 03/18/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe we should let the coldhearted and ruthless die.



In my world it would be both :awehigh:

Edit: Unless biotechnology advances to a level in which the old dont have to suffer in which case I would back that 100%


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26543500 - 03/18/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I agree man, let the old die for fuck sakes


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26543532 - 03/18/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe we should let the coldhearted and ruthless die.




I don’t think it should happen. Personally I believe we should all spread out, cities the size of NY, LA, Seattle whatever don’t need to exist. A bunch of small cities throughout the country would be perfect. No more overpopulation and everyone has their place in the workforce, life etc


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26543558 - 03/18/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe we should let the coldhearted and ruthless die.




I like it.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Supernova]
    #26543563 - 03/18/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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newusername222 said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Maybe we should let the coldhearted and ruthless die.




I like it.




On the brightside, the racist, cold-hearted old farts will die out :shrug:


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 13
    #26543583 - 03/18/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

“The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members.”


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26543597 - 03/18/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Wise words.

I once saw a video showing a nurses abusing elderly people. It was hard to watch. Some people are just plain assholes to the weak!


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal] * 8
    #26543643 - 03/18/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

These types of posts are easy to write off as harmless jokes until you actually see someone drowning in their own lungs in an ICU unit

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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 7
    #26543810 - 03/19/20 02:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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On the brightside, the racist, cold-hearted old farts will die out :shrug:




My 85 year old father has a scar from getting hit by a cop when he went on civil rights marches in the 60s. He is in a nursing home and my family are all worried sick. Pretty disgusted at some of the comments. None of us are getting out of this unaffected.

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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: viraldrome]
    #26543825 - 03/19/20 02:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Damn, thats hardcore! Hes a solider in the Civil Rights War! Good on him.

That pic is pretty sad. Only window love, like prison.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: viraldrome] * 6
    #26543830 - 03/19/20 02:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

This:
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“The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members.”




And this
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viraldrome said:





This is why we don't let the old and vulnerable die if we can help it. Cause we're fucking human beings that's why. Not some goddamn breed of cockroaches.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: koraks] * 1
    #26543840 - 03/19/20 03:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Im just glad Racism is mostly a thing of the past.



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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26544058 - 03/19/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

From what I gathered from this thread, I'm guessing we're at a maybe for letting old people die?


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Led Zeppelin] * 1
    #26544345 - 03/19/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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A bunch of small cities throughout the country would be perfect. No more overpopulation and everyone has their place in the workforce, life etc




This creates a beautiful picture in my mind of the past aswell maybe in the fututre permaculture communities.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: pacmanbreed] * 1
    #26544364 - 03/19/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Led Zeppelin said:
A bunch of small cities throughout the country would be perfect. No more overpopulation and everyone has their place in the workforce, life etc




This creates a beautiful picture in my mind of the past aswell maybe in the fututre permaculture communities.






Honestly I don't like it. I think in execution it would just be vast swaths of suburban sprawl, even poorer access to cohesive public transportation, greater natural habitat loss.



There's simply too many people on the earth for it, imo. Obviously I do not think that we should encourage or be passive in anyway about vulnerable people dying from this pandemic.


I do think the (only viable) future is in permaculture, for sure, though.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Asante]
    #26544453 - 03/19/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Maybe we should let the coldhearted and ruthless die.




That's what he said.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26544456 - 03/19/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Im just glad Racism is mostly a thing of the past.






Not in SE Oklahoma it isn't. The whole south still reeks of it really.:sad:


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Re: Why don't we just let the Canadians die? [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26544490 - 03/19/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It would be wrong.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26544492 - 03/19/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:nodofunderstanding:

Its good to take part in the incoming changes for us to share the sacrifices that our beloved old fellows have given us when we were also vurnerable as a child..


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #26544805 - 03/19/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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From what I gathered from this thread, I'm guessing we're at a maybe for letting old people die?




From what I gather in this thread, patlal is the only person experiencing sociopathic thoughts


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #26544814 - 03/19/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Patlal said:
From what I gathered from this thread, I'm guessing we're at a maybe for letting old people die?




From what I gather in this thread, patlal is the only person experiencing sociopathic thoughts




They shut down the restaurants and movie theatres.  I got nothing left but sociopathic thoughts.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal]
    #26544818 - 03/19/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Dude.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 3
    #26544875 - 03/19/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:feelsbadman:


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal] * 6
    #26544878 - 03/19/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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They shut down the restaurants and movie theatres.  I got nothing left but sociopathic thoughts.





You could always comb your cat.. oh wait never mind.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal]
    #26544883 - 03/19/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Patlal has entered a cold, dark place filled with mass deaths of the Old People kind :sad: :nonono:


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26544938 - 03/19/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Patlal sometimes takes edgy a bit too far. A while back someone was asking if anyone knew what happened to keyohnah, and he was joking that she died, and ultimately it turned out that she had.

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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: psi]
    #26545204 - 03/19/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die?




Quote:

Asante said:
Maybe we should let the coldhearted and ruthless die.




I think we're all saying the same thing here? Aren't the old people hoarding all the wealth the reason for most everyone's daily suffering?

Also I have no idea what I'm talking about.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26546066 - 03/20/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't say the "old people are holding all the wealth", but "they" are keeping the rules/laws in place that allow them to gouge the market to their benefit.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: ichugwindex] * 3
    #26546129 - 03/20/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I think we're all saying the same thing here? Aren't the old people hoarding all the wealth the reason for most everyone's daily suffering?






I don't think this would be accurate at all. Yes there are extremely wealthy "old people" in the world, but the vast majority of them die anywhere from below the poverty line to middle class at best.

And there are a ton of absurdly wealthy people out there who wouldn't fall under the "old people" umbrella at all. Especially since we live in the era of dot com billionaires.

Mark Zuckerberg, 35, is worth 56 billion. Bezos is worth 111 billion and is still at least a decade away from reaching senior citizen status. The guy who found Twitter is barely past 40 I think. Uber's founder is a billionaire and is 43. Just to name a few. Maybe once upon a time (IE before the dot come era) the statement that all the old were the wealthy was more accurate but today that's not the case.

Oh yeah, didn't Kylie freaking Jenner become the world's youngest billionaire recently? She's barely old enough to drink


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: psi]
    #26546416 - 03/20/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Patlal sometimes takes edgy a bit too far. A while back someone was asking if anyone knew what happened to keyohnah, and he was joking that she died, and ultimately it turned out that she had.

:feelsbadman:






Wait Keyohnah died???


I thought that she got gotten sober and was okay...fuck dude. Terrible.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26546430 - 03/20/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You propose:

Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die?



I propose:



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    #26546485 - 03/20/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

psi said:
Patlal sometimes takes edgy a bit too far. A while back someone was asking if anyone knew what happened to keyohnah, and he was joking that she died, and ultimately it turned out that she had.

:feelsbadman:






Wait Keyohnah died???


I thought that she got gotten sober and was okay...fuck dude. Terrible.



Yeah that was the last I had heard too. Looked back at the last thread where I interacted with her and I was just bragging about some work nonsense and didn't really give a "welcome back". Such a warm person and I felt shitty that that was our last interaction (not that we had a close connection aside from agreeing on some stuff in discussion threads.)


These things usually get announced in the RIP thread in the vets forum. I guess JSB and Newbie had both dated her and there was maybe some awkwardness around that. Maybe I overstepped but I suggested at the time that it might be good for them and some other people who knew her well to hang out and reminisce.


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    #26546519 - 03/20/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Wow what a tragedy. Rest in paradise, girl.


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    #26546544 - 03/20/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)



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    #26546721 - 03/20/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Oh yeah, didn't Kylie freaking Jenner become the world's youngest billionaire recently? She's barely old enough to drink



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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #26547017 - 03/20/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

We do let them die, that's what hospice is for.  But if the old and vulnerable go infirm and die all at once, we're all gonna have a bad time. Like, a really bad time, man.


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    #26547731 - 03/20/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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We do let them die, that's what hospice is for.  But if the old and vulnerable go infirm and die all at once, we're all gonna have a bad time. Like, a really bad time, man.



How? Without the VERY few outliers that someone posted earlier a HUGE portion of the wealth is hoarded by the "at risk" age group. Plus on top of that god/the earth/ etc actually chose this to happen for our benefit. We will all be fine because the universe transferred that selfish old wealth to us.

Those selfish few locked us into this capitalist system and they are about to be buried underneath the weight of their own selfishness and greed along with their entire generation. A win/win

Innocent elderly will die but the universe doesnt give a fuck. This is the closest thing I have seen to justice in my lifetime


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    #26547880 - 03/21/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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“The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members.”




I like your purity ring avatar. I'd like to believe this quote, but at least in my country (These United States) it doesn't feel this way.:shrug:


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    #26547887 - 03/21/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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How? Without the VERY few outliers that someone posted earlier a HUGE portion of the wealth is hoarded by the "at risk" age group. Plus on top of that god/the earth/ etc actually chose this to happen for our benefit. We will all be fine because the universe transferred that selfish old wealth to us.

Those selfish few locked us into this capitalist system and they are about to be buried underneath the weight of their own selfishness and greed along with their entire generation. A win/win

Innocent elderly will die but the universe doesnt give a fuck. This is the closest thing I have seen to justice in my lifetime





The universe doesn't give a shit either way - BOOMERS could become transhuman life extensionists with exponential immortal wealth.

Imagine that nightmare.:lol:

The universe gives no fucks. :crankey:


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Mr. Material] * 7
    #26547924 - 03/21/20 12:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I love old people.

They know the value of life and many things in it and are pretty socially open minded. Don't forget most of the OG hippies are boomers. Most of the folk who fought in the civil rights movement are boomers. The people who paved the way for social acceptance of individuality are boomers.

Really. Show some fucking gratitude.


I mean quite generally I'm tired of boomer being an insult and I'm very tired of how elderly are treated by the system. Most of them are not rich white cunts.

We have issues in our society involved with obsessing over negativity and only focusing on the fault of anything. it completely overshadows the value of wisdom in age and how we already ship off or ignore the elderly to die from inadequate healthcare and lack of social circles they can depend on.

These are millions of human beings with as much value or rights as anyone and we don't treat them like it and now we have a shitty meme to sum up what inhumane cunts we are in a single word. "Ok boomer."

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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26547929 - 03/21/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, I recently started getting very angry at people who deserve it. I like standing up to them.

Most of them feel like they have some kind of power. Or that they are better.


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    #26547933 - 03/21/20 01:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I love old people.

They know the value of life and many things in it and are pretty socially open minded. Don't forget most of the OG hippies are boomers. Most of the folk who fought in the civil rights movement are boomers. The people who paved the way for social acceptance of individuality are boomers.

Really. Show some fucking gratitude.


I mean quite generally I'm tired of boomer being an insult and I'm very tired of how elderly are treated by the system. Most of them are not rich white cunts.

We have issues in our society involved with obsessing over negativity and only focusing on the fault of anything. it completely overshadows the value of wisdom in age and how we already ship off or ignore the elderly to die from inadequate healthcare and lack of social circles they can depend on.

These are millions of human beings with as much value or rights as anyone and we don't treat them like it and now we have a shitty meme to sum up what inhumane cunts we are in a single word. "Ok boomer."

Grow up.



QFT. These 'boomers' are the people who brought us up, or who brought our parents up.
They worked their asses off to make the diapers we wore when the word 'boomer' didn't exist yet.
By and large they just tried to do the best job they could, within their knowledge and capabilities, to make a prosperous world for us to live in.
The vast majority aren't disproportionately wealthy, and are just not any better off economically than the rest of us.

They're not pariahs. They're just us, a few decades down the road.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: watermelon mon] * 4
    #26547960 - 03/21/20 01:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Everyone likes to feel like they're better than someone. We have a hard time gauging our value without judging someone elses.


That's why it's easy to hate on boomers. Cuz surely our generation can't fuck up as bad as theirs.

(Let's conveniently ignore civil rights, antiwar movement and feminism that allowed women to be autonomous and have their own wants and desires.)


Nothing makes me angrier than devaluing an entire class of people. But it's sadly pretty fucking typical.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26548177 - 03/21/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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How?




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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: stubb]
    #26552367 - 03/23/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

This old people might be Your mom, dad, grandparents and young people still can die. We all have to fight with that virus. Stay home and if u can use folding@home


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal]
    #26553749 - 03/23/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Everyone suffers from the same affliction..

Being alive.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Litto]
    #26553783 - 03/23/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I still that if we let the old and vulneable die, we would be better off.

No quarintine. no toilet paper shortage, no reduction in human pollution...

We could still be polluting and overpopulating th earth right now...

What a waste.....


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal] * 3
    #26553809 - 03/23/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I still that if we let the old and vulneable die, we would be better off.

No quarintine. no toilet paper shortage, no reduction in human pollution...

We could still be polluting and overpopulating th earth right now...

What a waste.....




what is the definition of vulnerability tho?
is it letting children die in the classroom because to hell with concerns for peanut allergies?
is it promoting an attitude of harassing people with clinical depression rather than attempting to mitigate suicide?

do we still make wheelchair ramps
or do we expect everyone to haul themselves up the stairs


do we expend resources on prosthetics that allow the otherwise vulnerable to function in society
potentially outperforming privileged slum lords not experiencing hardship


where does assisting with vulnerability help society and where does it harm it(if indeed it does)


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Tantrika] * 4
    #26553823 - 03/23/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think Patlal is trying to play the Ari Shaffir role only somehow he's managing to be even dumber and even less funny.

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    #26553838 - 03/23/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

In older more traditional societies children who were born with disabilities that would stop them at least being able to support themselves were euthanized at birth. Older people who could no longer contribute in any way would choose to die, the time was right for them.

Now humanitarian groups happily see 3 or 4 able bodied people working full time to support one disabled person, who never achieves a good quality of life or happy outcome. Aged people are refused the dignified death they wish and are forced to suffer to the bitter end.

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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Northerner] * 5
    #26553864 - 03/23/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Now humanitarian groups happily see 3 or 4 able bodied people working full time to support one disabled person, who never achieves a good quality of life or happy outcome. Aged people are refused the dignified death they wish and are forced to suffer to the bitter end.
...




My country has physician assisted suicide, so there is that
but until recently my mother worked in a government-funded care home for people with severe disabilities
and one of them was a man with schizophrenia so severe he could not keep track of what day it was or shop, cook, or handle medications for himself
who gave my mother her brightest point of the week every Sunday because he was so excited to go to church and speak with members of the congregation

another 80+ year old woman could not dress herself or wipe after the bathroom
and could not be in stores unattended because she stole, of all things, stickers (like peeling price tags off racks)
but who loved to go for drives and get ice cream from McDonald's

full round-the-clock staff to give these people some small quality of life
but by doing so also brightens the lives of workers and people in the community
because the super vulnerable are also frequently super nice -- because niceness is exploitability, and exploitability is vulnerability


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26553892 - 03/23/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Your sweet moment anecdotes don't change my mind about the topic. Both my parents worked in disabilities and I've seen the waste and horror of what it is.

When my grandfather's Parkinson's got so bad that he had lost balance and was pretty much sentenced to a life in bed, having his ass wiped by carers, having everything brought to him, he ate a strip of sleeping pills and washed it down with whiskey. I can totally understand that. He was a good man and my respect in him was only furthered.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Northerner]
    #26553896 - 03/23/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Your sweet moment anecdotes don't change my mind about the topic. Both my parents worked in disabilities and I've seen the waste and horror of what it is.

When my grandfather's Parkinson's got so bad that he had lost balance and was pretty much sentenced to a life in bed, having his ass wiped by carers, having everything brought to him, he ate a strip of sleeping pills and washed it down with whiskey. I can totally understand that. He was a good man and my respect in him was only furthered.




I get that.  Is it not selfish of us to rob the elderly of their dignity?  He ended things on his terms.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal] * 4
    #26553898 - 03/23/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I love and admire the elderly.

Noticed that, a lot of people who weren't born here.

They make sure to show them the respect they deserve.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Northerner] * 2
    #26553922 - 03/23/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Your sweet moment anecdotes don't change my mind about the topic. Both my parents worked in disabilities and I've seen the waste and horror of what it is.

When my grandfather's Parkinson's got so bad that he had lost balance and was pretty much sentenced to a life in bed, having his ass wiped by carers, having everything brought to him, he ate a strip of sleeping pills and washed it down with whiskey. I can totally understand that. He was a good man and my respect in him was only furthered.




Your anecdote doesn't invalidate the reality that the system has mostly positive effects

tho totally recognize and respect that Australia has a whole culture of people taking their own lives in the face of doctors not being allowed


but that does not make it wrong for some people to choose to live through adversity
or for society to facillitate assistance for those who do not have the mental capacity to make such a choice
rather than leaving them to be chewed up and thrown in the gutter inflating homelessness stats

must admit to being a big Cradle of Filth fan tho

Suicide is a tried and tested formula for release


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Northerner] * 2
    #26553924 - 03/23/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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In older more traditional societies children who were born with disabilities that would stop them at least being able to support themselves were euthanized at birth. Older people who could no longer contribute in any way would choose to die, the time was right for them.

Now humanitarian groups happily see 3 or 4 able bodied people working full time to support one disabled person, who never achieves a good quality of life or happy outcome. Aged people are refused the dignified death they wish and are forced to suffer to the bitter end.

This is just another example of where the world has truly gone mad.




Working rehab, some of the most happy, genuine, and good-hearted people I've met had some of the most severe and "hopeless" disabilities or conditions, they would've been killed long ago in those societies. The ones that wish they were dead or had never been born are extreme outliers, though I do agree 100% in physician assisted suicide.... that's just a whole different story than the OP's idea to more or less sacrifice the vulnerable for the sake of our own convenience.

There's plenty of internal value to be found both in suffering and in helping those who are suffering. I liked Ram Dass' quote after he had his stroke and wound up in chronic pain and completely dependent, don't remember it exactly but basically about how it was forced Buddhism, if he struggled with it his life would be hell, only choice was to let it all go, accept the help of others and loss of dignity, and meditate with the time that was left here. Misery is a lot more subjective than we realize, and it can go in both directions


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    #26554338 - 03/24/20 02:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

stubb said:
We do let them die, that's what hospice is for.  But if the old and vulnerable go infirm and die all at once, we're all gonna have a bad time. Like, a really bad time, man.



How? Without the VERY few outliers that someone posted earlier a HUGE portion of the wealth is hoarded by the "at risk" age group. Plus on top of that god/the earth/ etc actually chose this to happen for our benefit. We will all be fine because the universe transferred that selfish old wealth to us.

Those selfish few locked us into this capitalist system and they are about to be buried underneath the weight of their own selfishness and greed along with their entire generation. A win/win

Innocent elderly will die but the universe doesnt give a fuck. This is the closest thing I have seen to justice in my lifetime




I wasn't going to post in this stupid thread, but I want to make clear that wealth is created. The people with dickloads of money know this and it is the secret to accumulating said dickloads of money.

The idea that you have less money because wealthy people horde it is asinine and is the limiting belief that will keep you from creating wealth of your own so long as you continue to misunderstand the basic principles of money.

Capitalism is opportunity. That's it. If you don't make something of it it is your own damn fault.

And you take care of people until there's nothing more you can do because we all came into this world helpless and will all leave helpless. It's a duty that comes with participating in these lives.

If someone didn't take care of your helpless ass as a baby you'd be long dead.

You can't repay the years you were watched over to the people who watched you so you pay it forward where and when you can. That includes taking care of the helpless on the other end of the age spectrum and everyone in between.

Little selfish boy brains grow up. Fill the shoes of manhood and put as many people and responsibilities on your shoulders as you can possibly bear.

And fucking bear it.

You'll find you get more satisfaction out of life, get more respect from people, and can look yourself in the eye instead of bitching how a broken system and the people that came before you ruined the world and your chances of success and happiness.

Tuff love. Take care of people because life is hard enough as it is and we're all in this together.

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    #26554353 - 03/24/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

ichugwindex said:
Quote:

stubb said:
We do let them die, that's what hospice is for.  But if the old and vulnerable go infirm and die all at once, we're all gonna have a bad time. Like, a really bad time, man.



How? Without the VERY few outliers that someone posted earlier a HUGE portion of the wealth is hoarded by the "at risk" age group. Plus on top of that god/the earth/ etc actually chose this to happen for our benefit. We will all be fine because the universe transferred that selfish old wealth to us.

Those selfish few locked us into this capitalist system and they are about to be buried underneath the weight of their own selfishness and greed along with their entire generation. A win/win

Innocent elderly will die but the universe doesnt give a fuck. This is the closest thing I have seen to justice in my lifetime




I wasn't going to post in this stupid thread, but I want to make clear that wealth is created. The people with dickloads of money know this and it is the secret to accumulating said dickloads of money.

The idea that you have less money because wealthy people horde it is asinine and is the limiting belief that will keep you from creating wealth of your own so long as you continue to misunderstand the basic principles of money.

Capitalism is opportunity. That's it. If you don't make something of it it is your own damn fault.

And you take care of people until there's nothing more you can do because we all came into this world helpless and will all leave helpless. It's a duty that comes with participating in these lives.

If someone didn't take care of your helpless ass as a baby you'd be long dead.

You can't repay the years you were watched over to the people who watched you so you pay it forward where and when you can. That includes taking care of the helpless on the other end of the age spectrum and everyone in between.

Little selfish boy brains grow up. Fill the shoes of manhood and put as many people and responsibilities on your shoulders as you can possibly bear.

And fucking bear it.

You'll find you get more satisfaction out of life, get more respect from people, and can look yourself in the eye instead of bitching how a broken system and the people that came before you ruined the world and your chances of success and happiness.

Tuff love. Take care of people because life is hard enough as it is and we're all in this together.

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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Northerner] * 4
    #26554636 - 03/24/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I also agree with self assisted "suicide". I also believe the trisomy 21 test was invented (discovered/ordained by god in man's minds or whatever the fuck anyone wants to call it) for a reason (and regular abortion). There should not be ONE down syndrome baby on the planet, but there are people that can not afford health care, so there will be some. I also know for me that quality of life is more important than quantity of life. When the time comes that I am no longer able to perform ADL's, then I'll check out. I'm sure it will be more accepted by then (hopefully) and more facilities for that will be open. Of course I say that now, I'll see when I get there.

@ Patlal: As far as letting the virus just take people, no, I don't believe that should be. It will get who it gets and we should try and save the people we can.



To the people who are doing the care of elderly, down syndrome people, and ones who can not take care of themselves, you have my upmost respect. That is a job that is very demanding, but I can see what you might get from it. Money can NEVER buy that. It takes a VERY strong person to do those things.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26554669 - 03/24/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I feel any person with a substantial death wish should have access to a pill with lets say a milligram of carfentanil.

But you can't do what the Nazis did and "get rid of" people you consider a burden whi in themselves would have sufficient quality of life.

America has no physician assisted suicide but then again they do have this:





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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Asante]
    #26554680 - 03/24/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It shows 9 states here are ok with it.

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(CNN) Physician-assisted suicide is legal in nine US states and the District of Columbia. It is an option given to individuals by law in the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Maine, New Jersey, Oregon, Vermont and Washington. It is an option given to individuals in Montana and California via court decision.

As of September 2019, aid in dying statutes are in effect in: California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Maine, New Jersey, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington. In Montana, physician-assisted dying has been legal by State Supreme Court ruling since 2009.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 2
    #26554705 - 03/24/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

To be honest..

I led a very violent life. Not that I was violent, I was a huge pussy, but I was subjected to many forms of abuse by many people during my formative years and by circumstance, long after.

If I needed "euthanasia" I much rather blow my head into a red mist with a 500 magnum or hand grenade to the side of the head, than take a "peaceful pill" or worse, burden a doctor by giving a lethal injection.

Of course blowing your head off with a live grenade shouting "I'M COMING LORD!" poses practical problems in a hospital room of four :lol:

In Holland you get the choice between lethal injection by a doctor or drinking a poison cup. I don't want to burden a doctor with the karma of killing me so I'd go for the cup if possible.


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    #26554710 - 03/24/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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    #26554753 - 03/24/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Drinking a poison cup though...  Starring at it knowing that it'll kill you...  Wouldn't trigger an immediate urge to vomit it up?

Imagine the anxiety after drinking it.  Like this is it. You're gonna die.  It could lead to panic IMO.

How fast does that drink take before you're out?


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    #26554765 - 03/24/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

My cousin has downs syndrome and it's hard sometimes but he's in good health and can do most of the basic stuff for himself.


He even has a "job" where he volunteers for a local farm. And he loves it, he loves being treated like a person and given a purpose. And seeing the cows.




The real problem is that there's not a solid network of care. It's a problem for the intellectually disabled. The mentally ill. And the elderly.


We just fucking suck at taking care of people after we decided that women can have 'real' jobs. And concocted the fantasy that all these people will be fine with good meds and parents as its their responsibility to care for them.


When my aunt passes I don't know who's going to care for my cousin. I do know that when she was battling lung cancer it was largely left to his sister and me and my parents and that was tough.
Especially to his sister, who has kinda been forced into a care giving role by no choice of her own. :ohwell:




Honestly think we'd go a lot farther if everyone had just a little bit of compassion. Less pity, less resentment, and less avoidance. Pretending nursing homes and halfway houses aren't understaffed and underfunded and the red tape and monetary restrictions around both aren't problems doesn't make them so. Pretending the care people get there is the best that can be done to give them a satisfactory life does not make it so.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal]
    #26554776 - 03/24/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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    #26554791 - 03/24/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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My cousin has downs syndrome and it's hard sometimes but he's in good health and can do most of the basic stuff for himself.


He even has a "job" where he volunteers for a local farm. And he loves it, he loves being treated like a person and given a purpose. And seeing the cows.




The real problem is that there's not a solid network of care. It's a problem for the intellectually disabled. The mentally ill. And the elderly.


We just fucking suck at taking care of people after we decided that women can have 'real' jobs. And concocted the fantasy that all these people will be fine with good meds and parents as its their responsibility to care for them.


When my aunt passes I don't know who's going to care for my cousin. I do know that when she was battling lung cancer it was largely left to his sister and me and my parents and that was tough.
Especially to his sister, who has kinda been forced into a care giving role by no choice of her own. :ohwell:




Honestly think we'd go a lot farther if everyone had just a little bit of compassion. Less pity, less resentment, and less avoidance. Pretending nursing homes and halfway houses aren't understaffed and underfunded and the red tape and monetary restrictions around both aren't problems doesn't make them so. Pretending the care people get there is the best that can be done to give them a satisfactory life does not make it so.




I agree 100%. I respect and love the people who do care for those in need. Down syndrome is a tough one. It could have been prevented by abortion, but then it gets into religious beliefs and so on etc...Once the baby is born it's up to the parents or adoptive parents to care for it. Then it passes to the next person if those caregivers  die etc...it could have all been avoided. :shrug:

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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal]
    #26554828 - 03/24/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Drinking a poison cup though...  Starring at it knowing that it'll kill you...  Wouldn't trigger an immediate urge to vomit it up?

Imagine the anxiety after drinking it.  Like this is it. You're gonna die.  It could lead to panic IMO.

How fast does that drink take before you're out?




There wont be much anxiety after drinking it.

Its 100ml 20% alcohol, sweetened, with 9gr nembutal sodium.

There'd be instantaneous anxiolytic effect, which then graduates into tranquilisation, sedation, sleep by 3-5 min and then unconsciousness, coma, respiratory and cardiac arrest in 20min to an hour.

Because its 1 poison and the poison is an anesthetic anxiolytic, IF it works there wil not be fear. Its not like us capital punishment Lethal Injection where they by accident can paralyze you while still awake.


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    #26554830 - 03/24/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Drinking a poison cup though...  Starring at it knowing that it'll kill you...  Wouldn't trigger an immediate urge to vomit it up?

Imagine the anxiety after drinking it.  Like this is it. You're gonna die.  It could lead to panic IMO.

How fast does that drink take before you're out?




There wont be much anxiety after drinking it.

Its 100ml 20% alcohol, sweetened, with 9gr nembutal sodium.

There'd be instantaneous anxiolytic effect, which then graduates into tranquilisation, sedation, sleep by 3-5 min and then unconsciousness, coma, respiratory and cardiac arrest in 20min to an hour.

Because its 1 poison and the poison is an anesthetic anxiolytic, IF it works there wil not be fear. Its not like us capital punishment Lethal Injection where they by accident can paralyze you while still awake.




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    #26555069 - 03/24/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

We definitely swung a bit too far on the life is precious thing. To the point that the system can't let people go home to die as often as not despite people being more comfortable there and that usually being their wish.


But life is precious. All life has value.

We just have a hard time grasping that death also has value. And I think it's because we avoid witnessing suffering and people stripped of dignity or humanity. We avoid facing the reality that sometimes life has no more to offer us.



I've never been one to think people should be told what to do, especially when talking about a mother and her baby. But I believe instead people should be educated. And a genuine education involves all the harsh realities and all the things that can go wrong.


I hate when people won't file a DNR for a family member who can't do anything for themselves, even communicate or breathe on their own, but leave the room when the nurses come in to clean their breathing tubes or their soiled diapers.

It's hard. It's fucking hard. I know, I've done it. But turning a blind eye doesn't really make it better for you and makes it far far worse for them.


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    #26555324 - 03/24/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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    #26555335 - 03/24/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I used to be the guy who would save all kinds of bugs and set them free.

No one understood and they all told me I was weird. It wasn't in a bad way either.

I was just super baked 24/7. That bug had a family and stuff. He probably had feelings.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: watermelon mon] * 1
    #26555941 - 03/24/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

That post about greedy old folk hoarding all the wealth and getting justice for ‘making capitalism’ or whatever was strange :smile: As if there were 80-100 people with all the money, about to die and each would be giving all their untold billions to the masses..who are all nice and not greedy?

And yeah cradle of filth is pretty cool at times whoever mentioned that :rockon:

We’ve got to keep the older folks safe. They’re almost always cool and dgaf anymore, great outlook on life, and if you get them talking most have a lot of great stories...true or not. Especially old pool players


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26559904 - 03/26/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

People just sticking their heads in the sand saying theres plenty of money to go around lmao. Nope the wealthy hoard most of it and leave us to die or fight for the breadcrumbs. If you disagree its only because you are well off.

Maybe susurrador was referring to counterfeiting/printing your own money? That's the only way wealth is created....so unless you control that....


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26559985 - 03/26/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Read the first chapter of the 1776 smash hit by Adam Smith:

"An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations"

We've known since this country was founded how wealth is created. It's been published and republished and talked about and taught about for over 240 years now.

It is not a bag o wealth with a finite amount of coins.

If you buy lemons, ice, cups, water, and honey for 20 bucks...

And you make exactly 20 cups of lemonade...

Then sell the lemonade for 1.50 a cup.

You just created 10 dollars that was not part of the economy before.

Not printing money... but kind of printing money.

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Edit... humans have known far longer how wealth is generated. This is just the earliest most influential publication I could think of that breaks it down in understandable terms.


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    #26560024 - 03/26/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you sell lemonade they will ask you for a permit and charge you more then you ever made in sales for the fines. If you have the permit you'll never pay off the debt. Its illegal AF to sell lemonade. 1776 is a long time ago dude. Theres LOTS of things keeping anyone from rising to wealth. Mostly to make sure the wealth stays in the hands of the wealthy.

And back on topic the "at risk" age group holds most of that wealth excluding a few purely luck driven individuals.

I only have anecdotal evidence of it but time and time again I have watched decades of hard work amount to nothing because the game is rigged. All the while older folks claim the daily toil of these hard workers (who work longer hours for less pay than they had) is a lack of work ethic or some shit. It blows my mind


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26560165 - 03/26/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If you sell lemonade they will ask you for a permit and charge you more then you ever made in sales for the fines. If you have the permit you'll never pay off the debt. Its illegal AF to sell lemonade. 1776 is a long time ago dude. Theres LOTS of things keeping anyone from rising to wealth. Mostly to make sure the wealth stays in the hands of the wealthy.

And back on topic the "at risk" age group holds most of that wealth excluding a few purely luck driven individuals.

I only have anecdotal evidence of it but time and time again I have watched decades of hard work amount to nothing because the game is rigged. All the while older folks claim the daily toil of these hard workers (who work longer hours for less pay than they had) is a lack of work ethic or some shit. It blows my mind




The example was simplified to highlight the idea in a way even a child can understand.

And exactly. The same principles apply that were published in a book 240 years ago and are still applicable. You can still buy this book in copies printed within a year ago.

Be a victim of the system and you'll forever remain so.

Become a student of the system and eventually you'll master it.

Mastery of this system just means you figured out how to reliably create some wealth for yourself.

And if the game seems rigged because the wealthiest people are generally old... it's because they've been participating in the economy the longest. Derp a derp.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560206 - 03/26/20 10:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So simple a child could understand it yet you ignored my point about how even something so simple as a lemonade stand is no longer profitable in this day and age because the rich blockade anyone else from getting there. If I read your ancient texts what would change? Will I have to read this slavery era text to come back and tell you why its bullshit?

Did you start from nothing and read these ancient texts and become rich or something?


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    #26560214 - 03/26/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What would change is you'd have some semblance of an idea of how money works and wealth is created.

And your point about being a victim of money hording richies blocking your path to success is still lame and still a whiner excuse.

If you can comprehend the first chapter of Wealth of Nations, you have what it takes to create wealth and if you're already setting the stage for how you're going to come back telling me it's bullshit before you have any idea what it says... well- you've got more pressing personal issues to work through than economics.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560217 - 03/26/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

And your sig quote is lame and also pointing to the same problem.

If you were to fully realize your potential you'd mindfuck the shit out yourself.

Be the fucking hero. Not the victim.

Succeed despite the constant pushback. It makes you stronger.

Do the job regardless of its difficulty. It makes you stronger.

Learn the keys to success and use them bro.

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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560248 - 03/26/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I cant even express how much this conversation is fucking with me. It appears you are trying to help me? You think billionaires are a non issue for the rest of us gaining wealth even though many people view that as an objective issue? Then you say this ancient slavery era tome will help me understand the vastly different beurocracy of today? I'm going to check out your ancient tome because it does seem like you have good intent. I really dont get it at all and it interest me.

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    #26560277 - 03/27/20 12:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The whole idea of "wealth" is archaic.


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    #26560284 - 03/27/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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We've known since this country was founded how wealth is created. It's been published and republished and talked about and taught about for over 240 years now.

It is not a bag o wealth with a finite amount of coins.

If you buy lemons, ice, cups, water, and honey for 20 bucks...

And you make exactly 20 cups of lemonade...

Then sell the lemonade for 1.50 a cup.

You just created 10 dollars that was not part of the economy before.





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    #26560286 - 03/27/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not fucking with you. I disagreed with you and presented an argument.

I'd be tickled pink if you gave it a read to be honest.

It doesn't matter how much money anyone has. You can always create more wealth for yourself.


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    #26560288 - 03/27/20 12:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The whole idea of "wealth" is archaic.




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    #26560289 - 03/27/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The whole idea of money and material value is old and outdated. We have the capability for not a single person on this planet to go hungry yet there are still starving people....I guess what I'm trying to say is I dont understand greed. Could you elaborate because I am just as interested.


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    #26560301 - 03/27/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Money is just a tool used to allow easy trading of resources, goods and services.

That way the butcher and the baker can still do business after the butcher is stocked on bread and the baker has a freezer full of meat.

Until we have truly unlimited resources, anything and everything will cost money even if it doesn't cost you money.

Once resources are unlimited we'll have no need for a system of exchange because no matter the demand everyone can have anything they want in any quantity imaginable.

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    #26560312 - 03/27/20 01:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not talking oversaturation of things. I'm talking about a balance. First priority is make sure nobody dies of hunger. That should be one of the easier things. I just dont get it. Why dont we just do it? Just get(and give) what we need?


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    #26560345 - 03/27/20 01:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Because nothing is free.


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    #26560347 - 03/27/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

And that should happen on a familial level. Or a tribal level. Whatever you amd yours operate under.


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    #26560352 - 03/27/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The whole idea of money and material value is old and outdated. We have the capability for not a single person on this planet to go hungry yet there are still starving people....I guess what I'm trying to say is I dont understand greed. Could you elaborate because I am just as interested.




Oh man I couldn't agree more I just didn't understand what you were talking about at first


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    #26560356 - 03/27/20 01:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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And that should happen on a familial level. Or a tribal level. Whatever you amd yours operate under.




But why not worldwide? Are we just not there yet?

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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador] * 2
    #26560366 - 03/27/20 02:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Read the first chapter of the 1776 smash hit by Adam Smith:

"An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations"

We've known since this country was founded how wealth is created. It's been published and republished and talked about and taught about for over 240 years now.

It is not a bag o wealth with a finite amount of coins.

If you buy lemons, ice, cups, water, and honey for 20 bucks...

And you make exactly 20 cups of lemonade...

Then sell the lemonade for 1.50 a cup.

You just created 10 dollars that was not part of the economy before.

Not printing money... but kind of printing money.

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Edit... humans have known far longer how wealth is generated. This is just the earliest most influential publication I could think of that breaks it down in understandable terms.




Adam Smith was talking about competitive capitalism. Maybe they had competitive capitalism in the 1700's. IDK, but I'm not interested in arguing that point. We haven't had competitive capitalism in modern times.

The whole objective of top corporations is destroying the competition. Microsoft did that in their core product lines. Amazon has done it. The U.S. government had to break up Standard Oil into pieces with antitrust because Standard was so good at it. If a left wing Democrat ever gets elected President (which might not happen), they will cut Amazon into pieces.

The game is rigged. Everything is designed for the rich to get richer. The best predictor of where you will end up economically is where you started out. There are exceptions like the dot com millionaires, who were able to break into the elite ranks because they had ideas about new technologies that the old rich men couldn't keep up with, but statistically they are tiny exceptions to the rule.

The whole American Dream ethos keeps this system running. Half the population thinks they will be the next billionaire, so they vote accordingly. It's the greatest propaganda success since Christianity.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26560369 - 03/27/20 02:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Who feeds the bears and the elk and the fish and the coyotes?

They feed themselves or they die.

If you feed the bears they get fat and lazy and aggressive and dependent on human food and they don't hibernate.

Look up trash bears around Tahoe for an example.

We're still animals. If you just hand out food people forget how to feed themselves. That's a strong dependency to have and leaves you weak and vulnerable.

Look at 30 year olds that still live with with their mother that cooks. I'd guess most of them would not eat well if mom cut off the din dins.

But if mom makes you cook 3 nights a week once you're tall enough to reach the stovetop... by 30 you're capable of cooking 4 star for 15 people and actually getting compliments on your food.

The struggle makes you stronger. If we don't let people struggle they'll never learn how to create and provide for their own needs.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560371 - 03/27/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

[Quote]The whole objective of top corporations is destroying the competition.




The objective of any competition is to destroy the competition. Either metaphorically by scoring higher in a game. Or in business by out performing your competition so severely that you put them out of business.</font>

Edit pardon my shitty quote form. I'll do better next time.


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    #26560372 - 03/27/20 02:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

tahoe sucks :drag:


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    #26560374 - 03/27/20 02:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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tahoe sucks :drag:




You know about the trash bears around there then?


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560381 - 03/27/20 02:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If you sell lemonade they will ask you for a permit and charge you more then you ever made in sales for the fines. If you have the permit you'll never pay off the debt. Its illegal AF to sell lemonade. 1776 is a long time ago dude. Theres LOTS of things keeping anyone from rising to wealth. Mostly to make sure the wealth stays in the hands of the wealthy.

And back on topic the "at risk" age group holds most of that wealth excluding a few purely luck driven individuals.

I only have anecdotal evidence of it but time and time again I have watched decades of hard work amount to nothing because the game is rigged. All the while older folks claim the daily toil of these hard workers (who work longer hours for less pay than they had) is a lack of work ethic or some shit. It blows my mind




The example was simplified to highlight the idea in a way even a child can understand.

And exactly. The same principles apply that were published in a book 240 years ago and are still applicable. You can still buy this book in copies printed within a year ago.

Be a victim of the system and you'll forever remain so.

Become a student of the system and eventually you'll master it.

Mastery of this system just means you figured out how to reliably create some wealth for yourself.

And if the game seems rigged because the wealthiest people are generally old... it's because they've been participating in the economy the longest. Derp a derp.




Even a child could understand. I'll grant you that. But with increased age, understanding and studying, you should see the inherent flaws in the argument.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26560393 - 03/27/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I cannot read your mind. Tell me the flaws so we can talk about it.


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    #26560620 - 03/27/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Stay inside and don't be a dickhole? Man, I really dont understand why you'd post that. Girlfriends parents have copd and cancer, my parents are old as hell. Don't want nobody dying. Why would you want your grandpa or grandmother to die? Fucked up man a lot more people will die than just the old.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26565836 - 03/29/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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[Quote]The whole objective of top corporations is destroying the competition.




The objective of any competition is to destroy the competition. Either metaphorically by scoring higher in a game. Or in business by out performing your competition so severely that you put them out of business.</font>

Edit pardon my shitty quote form. I'll do better next time. </font>




You just contradicted your statement of "anyone can make it". All that shit about "if we feed them they;ll get fat and lazy and expect " etc...is the cry of the people who do not/don't want to help anyone because they feel it "takes" from them. If someone has an excess of resources they will NEVER use, then GIVE some to someone. That's so easy a child can understand it.


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    #26565907 - 03/29/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

They're not mutually exclusive.

Anyone can make it, but you have to compete. You have to participate and be competitive. I never said everyone is guaranteed to make it.

Sitting on the sidelines pointing at other's gains as your loss is simply refusing to compete. If you don't compete and compete well, you don't get to share in the products of competition. Period.

If you don't compete well and refuse to educate yourself and train on how to be a better competitor.. you get scraps. That's nature.

There is a place for charity. No doubt. But it has to be given freely. If it isn't yours, you don't get to manage how it is used. And you have no idea what is in a person's possession that they may or may not ever use. It's frankly not your business.

Would you want someone coming into your house and taking things that they don't think you'll need or ever use? Fak no, because it's your shit and if you just want it to sit there unused for eternity... you earned the right to decide that by competing at the level which allowed you whatever you've been able to accumulate.

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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26565951 - 03/29/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My favorite sushi restaurant is still closed because of this shit...  Therefore I still want old people to die.  Sooner is better.


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    #26565961 - 03/29/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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My favorite sushi restaurant is still closed because of this shit...  Therefore I still want old people to die.  Sooner is better.




And that's how people turn out who have never seen hard times.

There is growth and strength in pain. You clearly need to suffer more just generally speaking.


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    #26565962 - 03/29/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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My favorite sushi restaurant is still closed because of this shit...  Therefore I still want old people to die.  Sooner is better.





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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26565973 - 03/29/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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My favorite sushi restaurant is still closed because of this shit...  Therefore I still want old people to die.  Sooner is better.




And that's how people turn out who have never seen hard times.

There is growth and strength in pain. You clearly need to suffer more just generally speaking.




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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador] * 1
    #26565987 - 03/29/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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My favorite sushi restaurant is still closed because of this shit...  Therefore I still want old people to die.  Sooner is better.




And that's how people turn out who have never seen hard times.

There is growth and strength in pain. You clearly need to suffer more just generally speaking.




He is financially relatively succesful tho,
landowner renting housing to other people

is he the trash bear because of how he came into it
or is he the 4 star chef because he was also taught how to manage it


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    #26565992 - 03/29/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

either way hes gonna be on the menu here real soon


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    #26566060 - 03/29/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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My favorite sushi restaurant is still closed because of this shit...  Therefore I still want old people to die.  Sooner is better.




And that's how people turn out who have never seen hard times.

There is growth and strength in pain. You clearly need to suffer more just generally speaking.




He is financially relatively succesful tho,
landowner renting housing to other people

is he the trash bear because of how he came into it
or is he the 4 star chef because he was also taught how to manage it




I don't know the person's background and frankly don't care.

I do know that if he's sincere in his comments (and not just stirring the pot) that he's got little boy brains and has likely never suffered enough to teach him anything useful or to even come close to filling a man's shoes. A big part of wearing those shoes is taking care of people.


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    #26566123 - 03/29/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey there! Yes, staying safe and feeling ok here, thank you! :heart:


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My favorite sushi restaurant is still closed because of this shit...  Therefore I still want old people to die.  Sooner is better.




And that's how people turn out who have never seen hard times.

There is growth and strength in pain. You clearly need to suffer more just generally speaking.




He is financially relatively succesful tho,
landowner renting housing to other people

is he the trash bear because of how he came into it
or is he the 4 star chef because he was also taught how to manage it




I don't know the person's background and frankly don't care.

I do know that if he's sincere in his comments (and not just stirring the pot) that he's got little boy brains and has likely never suffered enough to teach him anything useful or to even come close to filling a man's shoes. A big part of wearing those shoes is taking care of people.




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