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Anyone else use their TV as a monitor?
    #26542283 - 03/18/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

My shit is great, 4K, to a state of the art PC

The only small problem is - theres a slight lag between sending a command and TV seeing it, which is not that great for games but still pretty awesome


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26542308 - 03/18/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Been doing this forever, but never noticed any lag.

Are you using an old/cheap HDMI cable maybe?


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: feldman114]
    #26542314 - 03/18/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Nah my cable is good


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26542316 - 03/18/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Prolly the 4K setting is too much for the videa card?
I wonder if it would stop lagging at regular resolution. Like, whatever your computer monitor uses.

No expert or anything, just my 2c


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: feldman114]
    #26542320 - 03/18/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Nah the card is good.

Like i said lag is virtually undetectable, thats y u probably dont notice


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26544029 - 03/19/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
Been doing this forever, but never noticed any lag.

Are you using an old/cheap HDMI cable maybe?




same here never had a problem and i have never been able to see the difference between 1080p and 4k :shrug:


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26546542 - 03/20/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Nah the card is good.

Like i said lag is virtually undetectable, thats y u probably dont notice




How much of a lag would u guess it is? 100 microseconds? Maybe even 50 microseconds?


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26546546 - 03/20/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

About 50 ms


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26546554 - 03/20/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I believe that's around the minimal perception range. I think 10 microsecond latency is completely unnoticeable but I could be wrong.


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26546572 - 03/20/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I dont care much for it, only time it matters is when playing online games like counter strike which demand sharp reaction


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26546878 - 03/20/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Im assuming you've played a FPS on the TV?


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26546935 - 03/20/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

All the time, in full 4K resolution and HDR color :wink:

Flight simulator looks particularly good


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26546988 - 03/20/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, yes, we’re sure you haven’t been also using it to watch 4K porn.
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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: feldman114]
    #26547039 - 03/20/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Haha i got a 4 K wall paper of Little Mix ... very hot !!! :wink:


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26554087 - 03/23/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I have a 4k 42" monitor, which is basically like a TV without a tuner and with low input lag.


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: feldman114]
    #26554152 - 03/23/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Are you using an old/cheap HDMI cable maybe?




HDMI is asynchronous and digital so a bad cable would result in visual glitches as parts of the signal become too noisy to decode. Display lag is just an unfortunate aspect of some TVs, to the point that most of them include an audio delay setting just in case you need to get the audio back in sync with the video.

I used to use a 32“tv as a monitor and it was great picture quality, but I decided I prefer multiple monitors over one big one.


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: Qave] * 1
    #26563681 - 03/28/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I Do.

Im using a Toshiba full HD 49 inch tv for my desktop and the picture quality is fine, it's not a super sharp image like a computer monitor would be, but like I said before, it's fine.

As for 4k TV's, when I decided to get the Xbox One X I shopped around for a tv that would hopefully work well with the console.  I found that some 4k's are better then others when it comes to lag.
If you spend the time you can find models that were made with powerful consoles in mind.  I haven't connected my pc to my 4k tv, but im 100% confident that if I did, it would look fantastic.
As good as a proper monitor?, no, but pretty damn close imo.

I think most new 4k TV's will have a good (to a very good) image quality for both pc's and consoles, but the right tv with the right settings will look great to awesome.
Maybe with the PS5 and the Xbox 2 just around the corner, you'd think that the better brands like Samsung will be making models that compliment the new and much more powerful consoles.


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: blessed]
    #26564512 - 03/29/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yea I have a "game mode" on my tv, still a bit of lag :/


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26564719 - 03/29/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Would u rather have no lag but a smaller screen (same 4K resolution) or a Huge 4K screen with a tiny bit of lag?


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26564832 - 03/29/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well to be honest I really dont know

I know there some new 4K computer monitors are out there but its overkill - u cant appreciate 4K resolution o  a 26 inch screen, u need at least 50 inch to have 4K.

Personally I love my computer 4K setup @ 58 inches


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: Gypsy Boy] * 1
    #26564836 - 03/29/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hello Gypsy Boy.

Sorry, when I first read your post I missed the fact that you had a very powerful PC, hence why I replied more from just the picture quality side of things.

Now the tv that I got for the Xbox 1 X is a Samsung 55inch 4k QLED Smart TV (I now wish that I had gotten the 65 or 70 inch version of my tv).
http://4k.com/tv/samsung-q6fn-2018-4k-hdr-lcd-tv-review-qn49q6fn-qn55q6fn-qn65q6fn-qn75q6fn-qn82q6fn-56655/

this is what the link says about gaming on my particular TV
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Motion handling and Gaming Excellence

All of Samsung’s 4K TVs, including the cheapest models, deliver at least good motion handling and downright excellent gaming performance. The Q6FN, as a premium QLED TV, offers excellent motion handling and superb performance for use as a PC display. Its motion control specs are mostly very good across the board, with smooth motion blur handling, excellent interpolation of video from all sorts of sources and at assorted native frame rates (the Q6FN’s native display refresh rate is 120Hz in all models except for the 49 inch edition which offers 60Hz only). Judder-free playback of 24fps movies and programming from all internal and external video sources is also possible with this 4K TV. For its motion interpolation, the Q6FN works amazingly well at interpolating movement from all but the most intense action on the screen and uses AMD FreeSync technology for variable refresh rate delivery.

And, as we said above, as a TV for gaming use with consoles or PC rigs, the Q6FN is simply superb. Samsung’s TVs are almost always great in this regard so this was no surprise to us. In basic terms, for use with consoles playing games in 4K or 1080p and with or without HDR and other color/contrast formats, the Q6FN delivers wonderfully low input lag pretty much across all settings.
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These are my game mode related options

Game Mode (on/off button)
Game Motion Plus
Blur Reduction
Judder Reduction
and
LED Clear Motion
and
FreeSync on/off and further options too.

Im guessing that if you gave me your PC (for free :smile:, think about it :wink:) that my tv should do just fine with your PC but, only up to a certain point of course.  If I was me.....? um I think I am, i would only push the pc to near the max potential of my tv. and I'd still be very very very happy with the graphics (btw I couldn't afford a better TV, I got the best one i could get).  Maybe it would have been better to spend slightly less on your PC and more on the display (a bit like having a bluray player connected to a black and white tv if you know what I mean)

One more thing concerning my tv & console, RDR2 & and GTA5 and even Mass Effect An-drom-an-ma  or what ever the hell it's called looks pretty damn impressive.  I can't wait for the next gen consoles, OMG it's gonna be absolutely unbelievably amazingly fantastically ok :cool:.

Maybe you should consider this PC monitor, the OMEN X Emperium - 65" 4K Gaming Monitor - NVIDIA® G-SYNC® HDR, 144hz
here's a link for it.
https://store.hp.com/CanadaStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=4WY70AA&opt=ABA&sel=MTO&lang=en-CA
But you'll need $7000 bucks.  I would love this monitor and would much prefer it over my 4k tv but, I just bought $7000 dollars worth of toilet paper and baked beans :facepalm3:

So in the end I think 4k TV's are just fine for gaming, not the best (that's a dedicated pc monitor), but good enough, and who amongst us has the best of everything across all areas of life? not me, that for sure.


oh and one more thing, I don't know if my sig is a bit over board or not but, I will say for the ULTIMATE gaming experience...... forget 4k, go 64K :wooawesome:


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: blessed]
    #26564843 - 03/29/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I was super happy when I found out my new samsung tvs had the steam app. Now I can play my pc games on the basement tv. If only the damn tvs had better network cards. Even on ethernet they still slow


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: D3_Myc]
    #26564871 - 03/29/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yo blessed

That price tag is something. I bet it would make awesome gaming tv.... G synch... 144hz ... waw

My 4k tv is a panasonic entry level 5 year old tv, it's ok I guess but more is desired lol


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26567182 - 03/30/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)
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So I believe it's more to do with the age of your TV as apposed to the fact that it's a 4k tv itself.  If I remember correctly, when I was searching for what 4k tv to buy,
I found out that some 4k TVs made before a certain year didn't actually properly support 4k and the various standards that are the currently the standard, standards.

So it's possible that your tv is running on outdated 4k standards.

To put it another way, I just recently got a Yamaha 5.1 surround sound amp.  I needed advice from Yamaha concerning dynamic range settings and how to best set up the amp with my tv and other devices. Well long story short, the guy said that because my amp is a 2011 model that because standards for amps (including hdmi) have change and improve up to 2020 that with my newer bluray player and tv that the difference in standards could be a reason for my problems.

Basically I hate how when you watch a movie these days that it seems that you have to constantly turn the volume up or down because one minute people are talking in the movie and next thing you know guns start firing and the volume goes bam then you turn down the tv or amp volume because of all the gun fire, but then the guns disappear then there's only dialog again on the movie, well because I turned down the volume for all the guns (I had to, it was too loud) I now can't hear the talking so I have to turn up the damn volume again.  But this was what the guy from Yamaha was telling me, that it's probably got more to do with my older amp more then anything else.

I think if your happy for the moment with your tv and how it performs, I'd probably just keep using that and when the time is right and the funds are available, I'd get a newer and better 4k TV.

btw Gypsy Boy,
I noticed that your location is deep in the discoteka. I was wondering have you ever heard the discoteka (technikal vs aftershock mix) - Starkillers version?

I think it's awesome and when mid tripping this song sound freaking awesome as the song builds up to it's musical climax. (link up top)

:awecid:


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Re: Anyone else use their TV as a monitor? [Re: feldman114]
    #26567771 - 03/30/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
Been doing this forever, but never noticed any lag.

Are you using an old/cheap HDMI cable maybe?



Hdmi is digital signal. Hard to interfere with even without shielding at all. Old cheap cable is as good as the best one until it breaks. They work or don't


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