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Changa
    #26541960 - 03/18/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ok so rather than vaping freebase I want to give changa another go, looking to go harmala heavy so what would be some good ratios to try out? Also should I be smoking the changa straight or mixing into another blend of herbs, smoking a bowl that contains a fuck ton of DMT seems rather wasteful to me like roll a dose with some mullein or something?


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Re: Changa [Re: Lophophora]
    #26542021 - 03/18/20 05:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Try 1:1:1 if you want a super heavy mix. Make sure there's loads of mullein on board, at least 50% of your leaf. Should burn just fine like that. Just light it and chase the cherry, don't keep the flame on it. Light again as needed.

I usually use 1:1:0.3-5 (less harmala) depending on how I feel about the mix.


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Re: Changa [Re: Northerner]
    #26542050 - 03/18/20 05:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I prefer predosing harmalas that I soaked into mullein or thrown on top of some ash and then vaping dmt out of a cartridge or off of some mullein in the arizer extreme q.  You can keep hitting the dmt to get to where you want And then maintain it with Another puff when it starts to wane. 

Deconstructed changa, sort of...it's adjustable and you aren't locked in to whatever ratio changa you decided to make

I get way less pre-flight jitters this way since I'm feeling the effects of the harmalas which is fairly calming


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Re: Changa [Re: DredgeMyEyes]
    #26542071 - 03/18/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If you're going that route you can even eat 150-200mg of harmalas, wait for it to kick in, then just vape DMT as you want. Getb some very deep and long trips that way too.


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Re: Changa [Re: Northerner]
    #26542526 - 03/18/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Actually it just so happens that I have an extreme q, might have to give that a go and I like the idea of a pre loading dose of harmalas smokes or orally, done vaporhuasca a couple times and even 10mg of the DMT was very strong that way.


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Re: Changa [Re: Lophophora]
    #26542740 - 03/18/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Final question, I know caapi leaves have harmalas but am totally unsure about percentages in them but I have a few ounces dry that have dropped off my vines. I'd rather save my vine for brews so how many grams of leaves should I extract from?


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Re: Changa [Re: Lophophora]
    #26542826 - 03/18/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Never heard of extracting from leaf. I extracted from vine once and was disappointed at the yield compared to rue. You'd need a shitload of it to be worth your while, that's for sure.


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Re: Changa [Re: Northerner]
    #26542962 - 03/18/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Eh probably extract from rue and freebase then, work well making a standard acetate extraction and freebasing with sodium carbonate or should I skip the bake and use bicarb or what? Don't really care how pure my rue extract is, the mullein should smooth it out nicely, seen people adding Calea as well may try some with that as I've somehow developed a taste for the stuff.


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Re: Changa [Re: Lophophora]
    #26542976 - 03/18/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Wait I think I did a crude rue extract at some point with 1:1 seed sodium carbonate letting sit for 24 hours and pulling with acetone. Guess that should probably work.


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Re: Changa [Re: Lophophora] * 1
    #26542983 - 03/18/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I made a simple less mess rue tek here. Might help.


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Re: Changa [Re: Northerner]
    #26543003 - 03/18/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Sweet easier than the pain in the ass Tao of rue tek I used before, shit made a mess and took  fuck ton of salt.


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Re: Changa [Re: Lophophora]
    #26543021 - 03/18/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

10g’s per 100ml of solution is the same amount the Tao calls for.


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Re: Changa [Re: Lophophora]
    #26543026 - 03/18/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Gonna need to order me some more rue come next month, had to spend some unexpected cash getting an ice auger repaired and replacing some missing tools from my cottage shed...kinda need some of the stuff that walked off. Oh well rue is cheap and I plan to extract a ton in one go plus with my fear of straight freebase there's no real rush.


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Re: Changa [Re: Lophophora]
    #26543033 - 03/18/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

In the initial notes the Tao calls for 20g/100ml


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Re: Changa [Re: Lophophora]
    #26543041 - 03/18/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Wait I did the third option when I did it which is to total saturation, you're right the actual tek calls for 10g/100ml.


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Re: Changa [Re: Lophophora]
    #26543065 - 03/18/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

In the initial notes he says he uses 20 grams per 100ml but in the recommended suggestion it says 10g per 100ml.  I’ve always used 10 with what I figure are satisfactory results, I’ve never tried 20 to compare though.  I think Gordo Tek is somewhere like 25-35g, it goes really high on the salt.


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Re: Changa [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26543075 - 03/18/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I've done high salt manske before, ended up with a fuckton of salt contamination. The xtals looked beautiful, but that's really not the point.

Up to 15 tends to be okay.


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Re: Changa [Re: Northerner]
    #26543225 - 03/18/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah no I couldn't care how the crystals look they're either getting powdered and capped or soaked into herbs and not sure I want to be smoking a crap load of salt.


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Re: Changa [Re: Lophophora]
    #26544455 - 03/19/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So.. i'm looking to make some changa but am a bit confused.. the dmt part is of course easy.. but Caapi leaf or Mullein? I understand what harmala does.. but not how you actually get it. Do you have to extract it or can be bought?

Is harmala actually needed? And is caapi leaf legal to buy or gray area? if legal... where? Only place i know that people trust is CH?

P.S. acetone or another liquid to infuse in?

sorry for posting here.. but i think this is better than a whole new thread...


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Re: Changa [Re: icetech]
    #26544486 - 03/19/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You can buy harmala but it’s really expensive, just get some seeds and do a quick extraction.  It’s really not that hard.  Harmala is needed for it to technically be changa but like I think it was mentioned you can eat the harmalas and then smoke enhanced leaf/vape spice.  Acetone works.

Fairly certain caapi is legal but not needed, the leaf you choose is just the carrier for what you put on it so mint, mullen, blue lilly, all of it works and you can make whatever blend floats your boat.


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Re: Changa [Re: Amanita86]
    #26544488 - 03/19/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You can buy harmala but it’s really expensive, just get some seeds and do a quick extraction.  It’s really not that hard.  Harmala is needed for it to technically be changa but like I think it was mentioned you can eat the harmalas and then smoke enhanced leaf/vape spice.  Acetone works.

Fairly certain caapi is legal but not needed, the leaf you choose is just the carrier for what you put on it so mint, mullen, blue lilly, all of it works and you can make whatever blend floats your boat.




Thank you amantia.. found you can buy harmala extract on the bay about $12 a gram.. too high? feeling lazy bout extracting :smile:

Might just end up trying some enhanced lead.. read mullein is supposed to be nice to smoke.

P.S. my dmt is like a year and a half old. kept in the fridge and air tight.. probably bad? I still have like 50g of root. i assume it's stable forever pretty much..


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Re: Changa [Re: icetech]
    #26544501 - 03/19/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

$12 a gram?  I thought it was way more than that, I remember it being ridiculously high.  That doesn’t sound bad but say 8oz of seeds are $25 you can get on average 3-7%... I got 6 grams from 3 ounces so 18 grams from 8oz.. ..that’s some pretty loose math there but, it’s whatever is the better deal for you.


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Re: Changa [Re: icetech]
    #26544503 - 03/19/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You’re going to want to make sure the extract you get is freebase if you plan to smoke it.  It should be offered as freebase or hcl.  If you can only find hcl you can convert it but at that point you might as well just do an extraction.


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Re: Changa [Re: Amanita86]
    #26544591 - 03/19/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You’re going to want to make sure the extract you get is freebase if you plan to smoke it.  It should be offered as freebase or hcl.  If you can only find hcl you can convert it but at that point you might as well just do an extraction.




https://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmine-Harmaline-FB-extract-from-Peganum-harmala-seed-1g/133071737619?hash=item1efbb19313:g:xugAAOSw3RVc8Meq

Should be right i think :smile: the FB is freebase.. Thanks for the help... dmt is scary no idea why i'm backed off so bad after trying a few times.

I think when i read that you can vomit and die.. and i trip alone it turned me off a little.. thus wanting to ease in.


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Re: Changa [Re: icetech]
    #26544603 - 03/19/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

That looks to be it.  I’ve heard of people ralphing but I’m not too sure how common it is.  I don’t think I’ve ever heard of someone dieing from it though.  That seems a little extreme.  It wouldn’t surprise me though to find out someone figured out how to die though, humans are wacky like that.

Take it a few times alone and see how you react to it with an allergy test.


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Re: Changa [Re: Amanita86]
    #26544609 - 03/19/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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That looks to be it.  I’ve heard of people ralphing but I’m not too sure how common it is.  I don’t think I’ve ever heard of someone dieing from it though.  That seems a little extreme.  It wouldn’t surprise me though to find out someone figured out how to die though, humans are wacky like that.

Take it a few times alone and see how you react to it with an allergy test.




Will do.. Wanted to make sure it's the right thing... so in your opinion.. what leaf to get for smooth smoke? and and particular brand of acetone?

P.S. sorry OP about the hijack.. but rather learn from people that actually know how to do shit than getting hosed on reddit or something :smile:


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Re: Changa [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26544614 - 03/19/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If you mix harmalas with pretty much anything but psychedelics there can be interactions, some If them fatal. You should always check every drug and medication you take for contraindications when taking harmalas.

I read about someone disappearing next to a river when smoking DMT years ago and there a few burned stories as well. Should definitely not do it near open water, fire or heights.  :omgz:


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Re: Changa [Re: Northerner]
    #26544619 - 03/19/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If you mix harmalas with pretty much anything but psychedelics there can be interactions, some If them fatal. You should always check every drug and medication you take for contraindications when taking harmalas.

I read about someone disappearing next to a river when smoking DMT years ago and there a few burned stories as well. Should definitely not do it near open water, fire or heights.  :omgz:




Naw.. i trip every weekend usually over 300ug of acid, i try to stay home and safe:) And luckily i'm not on medication other than claritin but will check into it just to be sure.


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Re: Changa [Re: icetech]
    #26544626 - 03/19/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Mint is smooth and likely on your grocery store spice rack.  Look up different mixes people use to get an idea of what’s out there.  Use any acetone that evaporates cleanly... if your hardware store is out or only sells big cans, fingernail polish remover is acetone but make sure what you get is only acetone.  Some polish removers have bitters added to curb chicks from chewing their nails.  Ingredients should be listed on the bottle and if they aren’t don’t use it.


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Re: Changa [Re: Northerner]
    #26544630 - 03/19/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If you mix harmalas with pretty much anything but psychedelics there can be interactions, some If them fatal. You should always check every drug and medication you take for contraindications when taking harmalas.

I read about someone disappearing next to a river when smoking DMT years ago and there a few burned stories as well. Should definitely not do it near open water, fire or heights.  :omgz:



Good point, be careful with MAOI, they come with responsibilities..


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Re: Changa [Re: Amanita86]
    #26544636 - 03/19/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

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If you mix harmalas with pretty much anything but psychedelics there can be interactions, some If them fatal. You should always check every drug and medication you take for contraindications when taking harmalas.

I read about someone disappearing next to a river when smoking DMT years ago and there a few burned stories as well. Should definitely not do it near open water, fire or heights.  :omgz:



Good point, be careful with MAOI, they come with responsibilities..




haha.. with great trips comes great responsibilities....  I think FDR said that :smile:

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Re: Changa [Re: icetech]
    #26560665 - 03/27/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Mullein showed up yesterday.. tried some on it's own and has almost no flavor which is ok.. Harmala should be here today. just need some acetone :smile:

I don't have much dmt left right now but should be enough for a test.


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