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Mushroom selection for spores * 1
    #26541837 - 03/17/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hey all, I have managed to grow my first cake and I was wondering how to pick the best mushroom for spores. There is a stand out mushroom that broke its veil well before the rest but I don't know if quick is necessarily good. Is there a way to Id the "best" mushroom?







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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: lawsarenottruth] * 1
    #26541844 - 03/17/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Bigger caps, let them open fully.  You can print all of them, don’t have to pick one-

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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: SynKyd]
    #26541847 - 03/18/20 12:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I considered that but I was hoping to single out strong genetics and not spend ages seeing which ones grew the best fruit. Just trying to save some time and go straight for the best genetics.


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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: SynKyd]
    #26541848 - 03/18/20 12:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If you are careful about labelling and separating (and they are big enough for it) you could save several prints and only use the ones from the shrooms that give you the best trip...


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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: Babylon] * 1
    #26541851 - 03/18/20 12:03 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ohhhhh yeah I see, I should've thought of that

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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: lawsarenottruth] * 1
    #26541856 - 03/18/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I considered that but I was hoping to single out strong genetics and not spend ages seeing which ones grew the best fruit. Just trying to save some time and go straight for the best genetics.



This is done by cloning. Doing from spores will only give you multi spore, since millions of spores have different genetics. If you want to zero in on a trait, like a fast fruiter or something you like about a mushroom, you clone it. Cloning requires agar tho


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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: woofwoof]
    #26541869 - 03/18/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for that, I might stick to spores atm so in that case it doesn't really matter then?

Also is this a problem at all? I thought it was just mycelium but after some searching I think it's best to ask



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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: lawsarenottruth]
    #26541873 - 03/18/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If  you take a cap and make spore prints, you are not narrowing down genetics. I wish it was that easy! Looks like your cakes may need more fresh air but it could be genetics. How often do you fan it and mist?


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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: woofwoof]
    #26542010 - 03/18/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I mist it 3 -  4 times a day and fan it with the lid for a bit. Every now and then I use a pedastal fan for a few minutes.


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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: lawsarenottruth]
    #26542028 - 03/18/20 05:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Thanks for that, I might stick to spores atm so in that case it doesn't really matter then?

Also is this a problem at all? I thought it was just mycelium but after some searching I think it's best to ask







Yes the fuzz is mycelium and the metal is the mycelium digesting the tin foil.


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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: lawsarenottruth]
    #26542035 - 03/18/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Its my opinion that spore prints from "better shrooms" will have a higher amount of better strains within them. I believe thats how strains are made, thru picking the best shroom over and over and over till the genetic line stabilizes. Or is it all just isolation?

I usually label my spore prints by size, for example small, medium, medium-large, large, Huge!


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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26542039 - 03/18/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If you trim that foil down you’ll get better results too.

You can make plates to clone with from brf too.


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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: A.k.a]
    #26542060 - 03/18/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, forgot about that foil. Trim it back OP! The perlite will work better. And Ive heard those BRF paste plates are pretty handy.


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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: Babylon]
    #26542161 - 03/18/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If you are careful about labelling and separating (and they are big enough for it) you could save several prints and only use the ones from the shrooms that give you the best trip...




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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26542263 - 03/18/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Its my opinion that spore prints from "better shrooms" will have a higher amount of better strains within them. I believe thats how strains are made, thru picking the best shroom over and over and over till the genetic line stabilizes. Or is it all just isolation?

I usually label my spore prints by size, for example small, medium, medium-large, large, Huge!




Better shrooms are very much influenced by the growing conditions, and genetics are a factor.  I’m doubtful that any MS cap from the same flush would provide any advantage genetically, but there is literally no way to know.

MS is a crap shoot every time, and isolating on agar to grow out genetics is the only way to get “better shrooms” as far as I have read or experienced.

Better prints are fresh (not more than a couple years is optimal), large, dark/heavy with spores, and with minimal contam vectors.


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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: SynKyd] * 1
    #26542790 - 03/18/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'll trim back the foil for sure and I have proper mason jars for the next batch so i can use the lids, the foil on the bottom of the cake was to lift it a bit to help a straggler get more air and light because he was growing underneath. I've been taking it slow just to get the basics but I might try to clone one and see how I go.


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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: lawsarenottruth]
    #26542825 - 03/18/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Excellent plan! :thumbup:


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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: Hobbyist]
    #26543570 - 03/18/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If you are careful about labelling and separating (and they are big enough for it) you could save several prints and only use the ones from the shrooms that give you the best trip...




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I didn't say it would work, but at least it gives him a criteria.  And good practice for when he gets into cloning.


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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: Babylon]
    #26551127 - 03/22/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks all, I made some adjustments and I'm ready for the second flush. I thought I'd give an update on the first flush. The stems were really thick and meaty to the point when I dried them they only lost about 80% water weight and that was cracker dry. I was a little worried they may not have been very potent but holy s*** they were significantly stronger than any wild ones I've picked and a very clean trip. Doea anyone know why the stems would be so thick? It's a trait I might try to recreate as it helped with the weight but they stayed potent.





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Re: Mushroom selection for spores [Re: lawsarenottruth]
    #26551132 - 03/22/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It’s mostly genetics but fruiting in colder temperatures helps too.

What kind are those? They look crazy with those long wavy stems. At first I thought maybe they needed more air but once I blew up the pic they look healthy, nice caps.


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