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Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...something curious. Pics. Thoughts? 3
#26541144 - 03/17/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi
Just wanted to share a picture of these cakes. Inoculated 1 week ago I think so far they are going well. Considering these have been notoriously difficult for people to grow I'm not sure yet how successful I will be. Never know though maybe my idea will work out. Any success I have I will be sharing currently I have this experiment and a Ps. Cyanescens experiment. So we shall see how they go...

The cakes are made from a mix of oat bran, vermiculite, meadow grass seed, rabbit droppings and worm castings put in the PC for 90min.
Edited by Zenn (07/27/20 09:53 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: Zenn]
#26541182 - 03/17/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is it knocked up with a lc made from a clean agar culture or home made spore syringe from wild print? Why not make grain spawn?
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: bw86] 1
#26541196 - 03/17/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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They look happy 
Do you intend to fruit from the jar? saralove does her Hispanica this way with great results. My Zapotecorum and Caerulescens do very well this way too.
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: the_chosen_one]
#26541219 - 03/17/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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bw86 said: Is it knocked up with a lc made from a clean agar culture or home made spore syringe from wild print? Why not make grain spawn?
Knocked up with syringe. Got syringe and prints from same place. I was considering grain spawn but opted for cake to start with. I can try from agar etc in future I'd like to try an LC if this goes well.
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the_chosen_one said: They look happy 
Do you intend to fruit from the jar? saralove does her Hispanica this way with great results. My Zapotecorum and Caerulescens do very well this way too.
Well this is where the more experimental part comes in. As these little guys are colonizing I am also pre growing the substrate. I have a tub full of a coir, vermiculite, rabbit droppings and worm castings mix and using that to grow meadow grasses. Since the grass takes about 40 days to die, I knocked up the cakes when the grass germinated. Once the grass dies I am going to mulch the whole box. I will try grating up the fully colonised cakes. Rough plan atm is to put down half the mulched substrate, then the cake spawn, perhaps damp burlap before pre germinated meadow seed again.
These like a well matured soil and feed on decaying grass roots in meadows and fields by nature so I wanted to try and recreate the type of food they would get. And in nature they tend to start fruiting when the grass starts to die off and it starts getting colder. So that's why I add the germinated grass seed. To try to get the spawn and seeds to grow at the same time and hopefully as the grass is dying they may be fruiting.
I know it might sound like alot of effort but I want to see if it works. If it does then YAY!
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: Zenn] 1
#26541236 - 03/17/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Great experiment! My oldest mentor Bob Harris was really into duplicating environment. It's stuck with me all these years and really taught me how to listen to our little fungal friends.
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: the_chosen_one] 2
#26541266 - 03/17/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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the_chosen_one said: Great experiment! My oldest mentor Bob Harris was really into duplicating environment. It's stuck with me all these years and really taught me how to listen to our little fungal friends. 
Thank you  That is what I'm hoping to achieve. Maybe they will be grateful and bless me for the environment they are given *crosses fingers *
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: Zenn]
#26541275 - 03/17/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: Zenn]
#26546538 - 03/20/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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And in nature they tend to start fruiting when the grass starts to die off and it starts getting colder.
Very true
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So that's why I add the germinated grass seed.
Where I live, Psilocybe semilanceata grows next to Deschampsia grass
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: Hamsabala]
#26546588 - 03/20/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Where I live it is common in fields that often have fescue grasses. I got a meadow seed mix.
What’s in the Mixture 20% Meadow Fescue 10% Tall Fescue 2% Common Bent 15% Timothy
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: Zenn]
#26546628 - 03/20/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Zenn said: Hi
Just wanted to share a picture of these cakes. Inoculated 1 week ago I think so far they are going well. Considering these have been notoriously difficult for people to grow I'm not sure yet how successful I will be. Never know though maybe my idea will work out. Any success I have I will be sharing currently I have this experiment and a Ps. Cyanescens experiment. So we shall see how they go...

The cakes are made from a mix of oat bran, vermiculite, meadow grass seed, rabbit droppings and worm castings put in the PC for 90min.
consolidate and case in the jars, mine fruited ok on regular cakes
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: cronicr]
#26548126 - 03/21/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you Cronicr, I have seen your grows and will take your advice with great consideration. I am also curious though, what your thoughts are on my experiment idea? If you didn't read that bit:
"have a tub full of a coir, vermiculite, rabbit droppings and worm castings mix and using that to grow meadow grasses. Since the grass takes about 40 days to die, I knocked up the cakes when the grass germinated. Once the grass dies I am going to mulch the whole box. I will try grating up the fully colonised cakes. Rough plan atm is to put down half the mulched substrate, then the cake spawn, perhaps damp burlap before pre germinated meadow seed again. To try to get the spawn and seeds to grow at the same time and hopefully as the grass is dying they may be fruiting."
From the growth so far I am unsure how they would do if a cake was grated, the mycelium so far is very fine so may have to rethink that perhaps, if I dont do as you recommend as case in jars once consolidated.
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: Zenn]
#26548477 - 03/21/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah for sure trying shit is what paves paths fam. The key to fucking around though is spawn, and lots of it because you are going to fail far more than you succeed. Getting an understanding of needs and timeframes of the species will be the best tool in your belt so knowing when your grass will die is one step but you also need to get an idea of how your mycelium is colonizing your cakes and then your bulk subs and then how long it takes to see knots and how long those knots can take to turn into pins and how long those pins will take to mature, these are nothing like any tropical species they are slower , more fragile and with multispore it's even more of an unknown as they are not even close to domesticated. try your experiment but save yourself a cake, considate it for a couple weeks and case it as part of your experiment, my problems in the start with libs was speed , pasteurized subs give about a 2 week window so I prefer sterile substrates for delicate exotics but that's not to say it can not be done. Good luck fam
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: cronicr]
#26548480 - 03/21/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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 17 days after I spotted knots
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: cronicr]
#26551320 - 03/22/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah for sure you fail more than succeed with the challenging ones. I have the time (proper hermit!) And luckily I do still have a couple other prints to use and a little still in a syringe from these cakes, pretty sure I have agar somewhere so I do have more to work with just incase. At least from growing the grass seed now for the bulk, I will get a good idea of how long it will take to die. If lucky the grass and cakes might take roughly the same amount of time, but of course that's just a guess right now. I'm actually very surprised at the progress of the mycelium so far. I wasnt sure if it would take to the cake but so far so good. A little bigger than the above pic. (Will try upload new one)
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 17 days after I spotted knots
Oh wow, strange looking.. what happened with that??
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: Zenn]
#26551397 - 03/22/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm not sure it just made a cluster of blobs and a couple normalish primodora in the back lol
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: cronicr] 1
#26551709 - 03/22/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Almost a week since 1st pic, the jars had been moved but think I ligned them up same as before. Also this is how the grass has grown since the day the cakes were inoculated.
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: Zenn] 1
#26551733 - 03/22/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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This pic slightly better:
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#26551862 - 03/22/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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looking good!
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: Zenn]
#26551882 - 03/22/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Those are looking good
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Re: Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium on cakes ...so far [Re: BooShow]
#26567524 - 03/30/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Roughly a week since the last pics. Lots of growth looking pretty good. mild concern for 1 jar. It's either 3 extra aggressive spots of the mycelium or we may have an invader of a myc of a different shroom. The 3 spots are all at the same height inbetween the original inoculation points. Makes me think it maybe came from the 5th/middle inoculation point.
Also I may have to rethink the bulk substrate. I might have to PC or pasturize it after the grass has grown as it seems.... the bunny poop I got seems to have spores in it!! I spotted some TINY shroom last night and then checked the bag of poop....to find a nice big white patch of mycelium in the bag. I did pasturizr the substrate for the grass before but it seems it didn't kill the spores in the poop.
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