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Overblown coronavirus??? * 1
    #26540496 - 03/17/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous? Considering there is no reliable testing, all the statistics reported are meaningless and could be attributed to other causes especially since many of the deaths are older people with many comorbidities. Not to mention 300,000 people die in China from pneumonia every year normally.  Why is there so much panic based on very unreliable testing?


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #26540500 - 03/17/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What unreliable testing? You have a source for that claim?


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 1
    #26540502 - 03/17/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous?





No. There were at first but at this point it's just you.




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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 7
    #26540505 - 03/17/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

who said there is no reliable testing?

I believe they are not doing enough testing, but this surely is not overblown dude. What is happening in Italy may surely happen in the USA and Canada and completely overwhelm our medical systems causing mass casualties in older citizens and people with health conditions.

This is NOT the flu. This is NOT overblown. This is SERIOUS. Do your part to help control the spread by following lockdowns and being mindful about where you are going, what you touch, wash your hands often.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: Asante]
    #26540516 - 03/17/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous?





No. There were at first but at this point it's just you.








Definitely not just him.

Loads of people do not understand the situation and/or are unwilling to make changes in their routine to possibly save lives.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: feevers]
    #26540529 - 03/17/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Most people have not made it in the green.





Shroomerites had the advantage of having the superb stickied Corona thread going since January.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26540560 - 03/17/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I am asking a question. You provide me with a source that has verified the accuracy of the testing. I can't find one.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #26540565 - 03/17/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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who said there is no reliable testing?

I believe they are not doing enough testing, but this surely is not overblown dude. What is happening in Italy may surely happen in the USA and Canada and completely overwhelm our medical systems causing mass casualties in older citizens and people with health conditions.

This is NOT the flu. This is NOT overblown. This is SERIOUS. Do your part to help control the spread by following lockdowns and being mindful about where you are going, what you touch, wash your hands often.


This is not a drill





Show me where the accuracy of the testing has been verified please.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 6
    #26540570 - 03/17/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Kik, the Italian healthcare system is overrun with people dying everywhere, the hospitals are spilling over with people with pneumonia who all need ventilators and all test positive with the same trajectory of illness.

The test is completely correlated to the emerging syndrome, you're being edgy.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 1
    #26540575 - 03/17/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What exactly could it be verified against?


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26540576 - 03/17/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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kikthefreak said:
Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous?





No. There were at first but at this point it's just you.








Definitely not just him.

Loads of people do not understand the situation and/or are unwilling to make changes in their routine to possibly save lives.




Why is taking a rational approach so frowned upon. So weird... Shouldn't we have an accurate test before determining if someone has the virus or not. Do some research on the test they use, PCR, and then get back to me. It's a very problematic tests for many reasons.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #26540578 - 03/17/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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It's a very problematic tests for many reasons.




Go on...


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: psi] * 3
    #26540584 - 03/17/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Most of the negative effects people are currently suffering are due directly from other people's behavior, not directly from any virus.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26540589 - 03/17/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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kikthefreak said:
Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous?





No. There were at first but at this point it's just you.








Definitely not just him.

Loads of people do not understand the situation and/or are unwilling to make changes in their routine to possibly save lives.




Why is taking a rational approach so frowned upon. So weird... Shouldn't we have an accurate test before determining if someone has the virus or not. Do some research on the test they use, PCR, and then get back to me. It's a very problematic tests for many reasons.
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Kik, the Italian healthcare system is overrun with people dying everywhere, the hospitals are spilling over with people with pneumonia who all need ventilators and all test positive with the same trajectory of illness.

The test is completely correlated to the emerging syndrome, you're being edgy.




Is the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.

If what youre saying is true, then at the end of this year we should see a significant increase in the number of annual deaths. Guess we'll wait and see


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #26540596 - 03/17/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

yes very overblown did we make such a fuss with swine flu I don't think so, and that was much more deadly


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 4
    #26540607 - 03/17/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Perfect is the enemy of good, and PCR is plenty good

Even if there was no test, just looking at how it affected italy and china is a clear indicator that a drastic response is necessary if we want to prevent mass casualties and overloading our medical system

Anyone saying it's overblown must not have any 60+ aged or immuno-compromised people in their lives. If we don't slow it and get on top of it they'll be dying in hallways instead of receiving treatments, as will people with many other health issues once the beds are all taken and staff is all overrun.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: feevers]
    #26540621 - 03/17/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Perfect is the enemy of good, and PCR is plenty good

Even if there was no test, just looking at how it affected italy and china is a clear indicator that a drastic response is necessary if we want to prevent mass casualties and overloading our medical system

Anyone saying it's overblown must not have any 60+ aged or immuno-compromised people in their lives. If we don't slow it and get on top of it they'll be dying in hallways instead of receiving treatments, as will people with many other health issues once the beds are all taken and staff is all overrun.




PCR has false positives and false negatives...a significant amount of them. And when you are testing a large population even a small margin of error is problematic. Countries are reporting numbers based on this bad test which creates panic in other countries.  The fear of the virus appears to be much more deadly. If you have older/immune comprised friends/family the advice is the normal advice...eat right, exercise, meditate, etc.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 4
    #26540629 - 03/17/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Our hospitals are collapsed.

My mother have COPD and that means she needs to be as isolated as she can. If she gets it, she dies.


My best friend mother just had her tits removed because cancer and she is in even worse situation.


Those are 2 deaths that if we ignored coronavirus would happen in my close social circle.


I had a bad case of i dont know the english word, bronquitis? for about a month now, with sinusitis and opportunistic gastroenteritis. Some days i have up to 39 fever.
It might be corona, or it might be another thing, if it is corona, it is indeed kinda bad, ive lost 7 kilos already (bye bye gym gains), and i'm not sure if this shit is getting worse or better.
If it is not corona, and i get corona i will get another neumonia.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #26540630 - 03/17/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Is the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.





Are all the ventilators in the country and all the expanded ICU units right up to tents in the parking lot occupied by very ill patients or by people who are afraid of a non existent health threat.

"Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all."

Its evidenced by the evidence. Even if there was no test.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 5
    #26540638 - 03/17/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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kikthefreak said:
Is the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.



Oh good. That means those people on life support with ARDS are just false positives with a panic attack. Better take them off, clean out those ICU's and all go home.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #26540642 - 03/17/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The fear of the virus ap If you have older/immune comprised friends/family the advice is the normal advice...eat right, exercise, meditate, etc.





No, the advice from people who actually know what they're talking about is for everyone to practice social distancing and stay the fuck home for awhile.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 2
    #26540648 - 03/17/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The fear of the virus appears to be much more deadly.




Yeah, apparently most of the deaths so far have actually been caused by fear, not the virus itself.

I was talking to somebody at work about the virus, and they started freaking out.

They just keeled over and died right there. The virus didn't even have a chance to infect them, the fear was so powerful.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: waves] * 2
    #26540660 - 03/17/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I don't fear the virus and I'm still alive.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: Primal Matter] * 4
    #26540664 - 03/17/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't fear the virus and I'm still alive.




Well, looks like we've settled it then.

Somebody phone the WHO and let them know that we've made a breakthrough—it's the fear that is killing people, not the virus!


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: waves] * 2
    #26540678 - 03/17/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

There is nothing to fear but fear itself!



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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 7
    #26540681 - 03/17/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The fear of the virus appears to be much more deadly. If you have older/immune comprised friends/family the advice is the normal advice...eat right, exercise, meditate, etc.





I'm currently looking into getting a meditation circle started in my town to fight the virus.


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    #26540684 - 03/17/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I STARTED THE CIRCLE FIRST :crankey:



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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #26540690 - 03/17/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous? Considering there is no reliable testing, all the statistics reported are meaningless and could be attributed to other causes especially since many of the deaths are older people with many comorbidities. Not to mention 300,000 people die in China from pneumonia every year normally.  Why is there so much panic based on very unreliable testing?




No not at all. Forget that in terms of facts and evidence the regular flu kills 10x - 30x the amount of people every year that corona virus has. Panic is the number 1 way to keep yourself from being hurt. Go to the store and buy all the toilet paper and rubbing alcohol you can, quit your job and lock yourself in somewhere for a few months and pray to god that he gives a fuck about you. Real talk.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koraks]
    #26540723 - 03/17/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Is the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.



Oh good. That means those people on life support with ARDS are just false positives with a panic attack. Better take them off, clean out those ICU's and all go home.




Could be a panic attack or some other virus/bacteria. Who knows? Nobody apparently


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 2
    #26540728 - 03/17/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You apparently know better than the experts who seem to think the available tests work well enough to be useful though. I wonder who's right?


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: imachavel]
    #26540734 - 03/17/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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s the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.




The system is overrun because there are more people who require ventilators and a full compliment of staff than are available. I have no idea why you think the tests are not accurate. It’s a pretty standard and reliable procedure that been around for 20 years. 🤷‍♂️


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 1
    #26540735 - 03/17/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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kikthefreak said:
Is the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.



Oh good. That means those people on life support with ARDS are just false positives with a panic attack. Better take them off, clean out those ICU's and all go home.




Could be a panic attack or some other virus/bacteria. Who knows? Nobody apparently




Are you serious?


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    #26540738 - 03/17/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry everyone it wasn’t a virus. Just panic attacks.


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    #26540743 - 03/17/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You wouldn't believe how easy it is for a trained medical professional to confuse the two. :buzzaldrin:


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    #26540744 - 03/17/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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kikthefreak said:
Is the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.



Oh good. That means those people on life support with ARDS are just false positives with a panic attack. Better take them off, clean out those ICU's and all go home.




Could be a panic attack or some other virus/bacteria. Who knows? Nobody apparently



Well, can't argue with uninformed. Keep on trucking while others think straight.


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    #26540745 - 03/17/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The fear of the virus appears to be much more deadly.




Yeah, apparently most of the deaths so far have actually been caused by fear, not the virus itself.

I was talking to somebody at work about the virus, and they started freaking out.

They just keeled over and died right there. The virus didn't even have a chance to infect them, the fear was so powerful.


:rofl:




The nocebo effect is definitely real. But again people can be getting sick from other viruses or bacteria...


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    #26540748 - 03/17/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Asante -->  :badsheekle:  <--kikthefreak


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    #26540761 - 03/17/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Asante -->  :badsheekle:  <--kikthefreak




Lol. Good one!


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 6
    #26540843 - 03/17/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I am asking a question. You provide me with a source that has verified the accuracy of the testing. I can't find one.




https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=228250
https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/pdf/10.1148/radiol.2020200642

According to these articles, they use a combination of CT Scans and "RT-PCR" testing.  The RT-PCR testing looks at the DNA of the virus itself.  Out of 167 sampled people in China, the tests only missed 5 patients, or 3%.  They're stating, and this is true regardless of what you're testing for, that if the samples are handled improperly, they can produce false results.  Also, some folks were tested too early and did not produce virus in the samples to be tested.

The US Tests had faulty regeants.  The CDC admitted this error and corrected it.


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I am asking a question. You provide me with a source that has verified the accuracy of the testing. I can't find one.




https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=228250
https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/pdf/10.1148/radiol.2020200642

According to these articles, they use a combination of CT Scans and "RT-PCR" testing.  The RT-PCR testing looks at the DNA of the virus itself.  Out of 167 sampled people in China, the tests only missed 5 patients, or 3%.  They're stating, and this is true regardless of what you're testing for, that if the samples are handled improperly, they can produce false results.  Also, some folks were tested too early and did not produce virus in the samples to be tested.

The US Tests had faulty regeants.  The CDC admitted this error and corrected it.





Very strange that that article didn't address false positives as well. The PCR testing can go wrong when it duplicates other DNA or RNA from other viruses/bacteria instead of the coronavirus. Also, the test is not considered positive until a certain amount of duplication is reached which means the length of time can be varied to achieve whatever result you want.

The CT diagnosing might be even more problematic in a country with terrible pollution and where's a third of a million people die every year from pnemonia. They look for shadowing in the lungs, which technically can also be present in a healthy person. It is very very problematic to then attribute these deaths to the coronavirus when nobody actually knows if it was the culprit.

Oh and there's the changing criteria of what is considered a confirmed case and the fact that different countries use slightly different PCR testing...


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 3
    #26540895 - 03/17/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

They did tho..

From the medicinenet article...
"False negatives comprised just 3% of the patient population in this study. However, failure to detect a small number of cases of the potentially deadly viral infection may have wide-ranging effects for patients and others who may become infected."

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    #26540902 - 03/17/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Leave the man in peace, he just wants to make up his share of alternative facts. He's probably planning to run for president in the future; keep an eye on that boy.


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    #26540908 - 03/17/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If we had a lot of false positives the death rate is much worse


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    #26540910 - 03/17/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

US cases went from 3000 to 6000 in less than two days

We are now adding cases faster than anyone except Italy, Iran and Spain


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    #26540952 - 03/17/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

According to the CDC, we only have 4,226 cases in the USA. The data is updated daily at noon.


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    #26540955 - 03/17/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Most people have not made it in the green.





Shroomerites had the advantage of having the superb stickied Corona thread going since January.




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    #26540967 - 03/17/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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They did tho..

From the medicinenet article...
"False negatives comprised just 3% of the patient population in this study. However, failure to detect a small number of cases of the potentially deadly viral infection may have wide-ranging effects for patients and others who may become infected."

I mean, at this point, you're just rejecting facts in the face of facts.




I said false positives not false negatives.

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.8.2000171?fbclid=IwAR1yaTgICfc15rO6mkI90pBb45j1EnT87KA5p9gcfnixqS%20ciJWsFeQb4j5I

This lab in France has tested over 5000 samples and not one had SARS-CoV-2. They did however find 373 other coronaviruses as well as other respiratory virus that routinely kill people all over the world. 

It's so odd that you get mobbed when you ask for proof. Especially when it comes to something so serious... People are strange...


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    #26540971 - 03/17/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You don't want proof, though...you want confirmation bias.  I mean, just be honest.


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    #26541016 - 03/17/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You don't want proof, though...you want confirmation bias.  I mean, just be honest.




No way. The stakes are big. No time for bias especially in healthcare.

As always, follow the data. When the data is muddy ask for clear data. Then make a decision on the data. No bias.


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    #26541032 - 03/17/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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It's so odd that you get mobbed when you ask for proof. Especially when it comes to something so serious... People are strange...




Not exactly what happened. You came in claiming that the tests were unreliable and got "mobbed" when you offered very little evidence of your own to support your claim.


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    #26541051 - 03/17/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

According to the CDC, we only have 4,226 cases in the USA. The data is updated daily at noon.




Ignore the stats from the CDC. It’s a shell of a once competent agency.

The US is at 6,194

1500 new cases today

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    #26541053 - 03/17/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Where is your information coming from?  The media is lying.  CNN's big fat headline says 100 deaths in the USA, but the CDC says 75. 

I'm not trying to start a fight here, koods...but not trusting the CDC data is a giant mistake that could be fatal.  It's not perfect, but it's what we've got and it's a scholarly source of information.

Please, if you're gonna make a potentially deadly statement, back it up with facts.  We can't fuck around with this virus, but also, the media is sensationalizing the living shit out of this.


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I wonder how many people are going to die or be hurt because doctor's are canceling appointments so they don't potentially get hurt by some other thing.


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    #26541065 - 03/17/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The current test looks for the virus's RNA in blood serum. As there are 1000s of coronavirus in existence it's possible that some could appear similar during testing. The mass infection rates and high morbidity of this particular strain is a bit concerning.

The sky isn't falling, but there's good reason to be concerned. It is very important not to let fear take over though. When people are scared they act irrationally. The media is feeding off and instilling this fear right now. They are merchants of fear. Do not pay too much attention to them, it'll fuck with your head. But do take it seriously. Protect yourself and your loved ones. This is going to be a very long event so panicking will not help at all. Be mindful, prepare, keep calm, keep living your life.

I know it seems overblown, in some ways it is by the media. They are acting as if half of us are going to fall down dead tomorrow. This is bad because many people will dismiss such hysterics and miss the hidden truth behind it. It is a serious thing. Though not the end of the world as we know it unless we destroy ourselves acting like muppets.


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    #26541073 - 03/17/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The fear of the virus ap If you have older/immune comprised friends/family the advice is the normal advice...eat right, exercise, meditate, etc.





No, the advice from people who actually know what they're talking about is for everyone to practice social distancing and stay the fuck home for awhile.



yeah what the hell kind of medical proffessional is suggesting that meditation is the solution yo slowing the spread of this?

you have no clue what you're talking about.

its so easy to avoid the spread. its as easy as avoiding people. and doing that will turn this from potentially being like Italy to potentially being like South Korea which means a big difference in mortality.


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    #26541079 - 03/17/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Where is your information coming from?  The media is lying.  CNN's big fat headline says 100 deaths in the USA, but the CDC says 75. 

I'm not trying to start a fight here, koods...but not trusting the CDC data is a giant mistake that could be fatal.  It's not perfect, but it's what we've got and it's a scholarly source of information.

Please, if you're gonna make a potentially deadly statement, back it up with facts.  We can't fuck around with this virus, but also, the media is sensationalizing the living shit out of this.




The CDC’s data has been a day or two behjnd for the past two weeks.

After trump got criticized for running so few tests, the CDC removed stats about testing off the site. That tells you all you need to know about the CDC now. The leadership has been hollowed out and replaced with trump sycophants.



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    #26541082 - 03/17/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

This is serious business imo. Not because of my own health; but because the nature of the spread. This is not some conspiracy - you think people that make money want stuff closed? hell no? But, they realize a small loss now is better than the real loss (death) of many customers in the future.

q anon and all others are bullshit.
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    #26541105 - 03/17/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Johns Hopkins has had the most detailed tracking site since this started. This is the gold standard, but they have been lagging with the updates recently probably due to the increasing amount of information the need to verify.

These guys are a few hours ahead of Johns Hopkins with publishing cases

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Please answer my question.  Where is your information coming from?




What information? My main issue is the lack of reliability in testing in calling cases "confirmed" when they actually are not confirming the presence of a specific virus (SARS-CoV-2) but rather confirming symptoms or the presence of other viruses. As far as I can tell I don't think any source disagrees with that.


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    #26541122 - 03/17/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The moment the cdc removed a data set that had just hours earlier been referenced in the criticism of testing by the federal government, it lost all credibility.


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Now we can have a discussion.  Johns Hopkins is a scholarly producer and source of information.


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Please answer my question.  Where is your information coming from?




What information? My main issue is the lack of reliability in testing in calling cases "confirmed" when they actually are not confirming the presence of a specific virus (SARS-CoV-2) but rather confirming symptoms or the presence of other viruses. As far as I can tell I don't think any source disagrees with that.




A couple thousand cases in China were clinical diagnoses. There are 200,000 cases now..


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Now we can have a discussion.  Johns Hopkins is a scholarly producer and source of information.




I'm not so concerned with who published the data as I am with who collected the data. It used to be that only a few labs that had a certain clearance/standards were able to complete the test. Now they let basically all labs do it which has its problems.  I think better evidence is having one very reputable lab (like the one in France I cited earlier) do a large amount of tests. That way you can reduce the potential number of errors that are very easy to commit doing this kind of test.


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    #26541141 - 03/17/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Better test?






This is clearly political propaganda. I don't even know why you repost such clear nonsense Asante.

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I almost want to get the virus just to prove how laughably easy it is to recover from it.


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I almost want to get the virus just to prove how laughably easy it is to recover from it.




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I almost want to get the virus just to prove how laughably easy it is to recover from it.




That's not the point. It is a selfish viewpoint, that I too once held, but it is the wrong view. You probably need not worry, but this has the potential to hospitalize/kill a bunch of older folks. Your parents, grandparents, old teachers, etc.


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    #26541216 - 03/17/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Most people have not made it in the green.





Shroomerites had the advantage of having the superb stickied Corona thread going since January.



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The fear of the virus appears to be much more deadly.




Yeah, apparently most of the deaths so far have actually been caused by fear, not the virus itself.

I was talking to somebody at work about the virus, and they started freaking out.

They just keeled over and died right there. The virus didn't even have a chance to infect them, the fear was so powerful.


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This is clearly political propaganda. I don't even know why you repost such clear nonsense Asante.

I know people love to hate Trump, and he gives plenty of reasons. Bullshit like this makes his opponents look like idiots though.






Wait. Are you telling me that a website that has the above picture of Donald Trump as the coronavirus (that actually is on their front page) on their home page has some sort of agenda?

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    #26541278 - 03/17/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:

Soon they'll be saying that Trump engineered the virus to infect only women, with money stolen from orphanage funds, then sent it to China in a racist financial ploy.


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    #26541308 - 03/17/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's not like China arrested and jailed the guy who tried warning us.

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    #26541340 - 03/17/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So I’m sitting here in the parking lot of Home Depot and I’m watching one of the president’s helicopters circle Walter Reed medical center 🤔


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    #26541440 - 03/17/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.8.2000171?fbclid=IwAR1yaTgICfc15rO6mkI90pBb45j1EnT87KA5p9gcfnixqS%20ciJWsFeQb4j5I

This lab in France has tested over 5000 samples and not one had SARS-CoV-2. They did however find 373 other coronaviruses as well as other respiratory virus that routinely kill people all over the world.





It's worth noting that you did ultimately come up with something substantial to support what you claimed earlier about test reliability. Looks like a legit scientific journal and they thought the letter was credible enough to publish. Though as a letter to the editor it presumably was not peer reviewed.


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    #26541463 - 03/17/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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So I’m sitting here in the parking lot of Home Depot and I’m watching one of the president’s helicopters circle Walter Reed medical center 🤔



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So I’m sitting here in the parking lot of Home Depot and I’m watching one of the president’s helicopters circle Walter Reed medical center 🤔





Trump gonna die from Wuhan Virus

But like Trump said himself a few days ago...

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kikthefreak said:
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.8.2000171?fbclid=IwAR1yaTgICfc15rO6mkI90pBb45j1EnT87KA5p9gcfnixqS%20ciJWsFeQb4j5I

This lab in France has tested over 5000 samples and not one had SARS-CoV-2. They did however find 373 other coronaviruses as well as other respiratory virus that routinely kill people all over the world.





It's worth noting that you did ultimately come up with something substantial to support what you claimed earlier about test reliability. Looks like a legit scientific journal and they thought the letter was credible enough to publish. Though as a letter to the editor it presumably was not peer reviewed.




Here's a lot more info with citations if you really want to dig into it:

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/does-2019-coronavirus-exist


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So I’m sitting here in the parking lot of Home Depot and I’m watching one of the president’s helicopters circle Walter Reed medical center 🤔



Was there 3 of them?




No. Just one. I’ve seen this before. They drive the president and have a helicopter backup. There’s usually two or three when heading to camp David.

NIH is across the street and I was observing this from two miles away, so he or pence could have been at NIH for some reason.


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    #26541691 - 03/17/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.8.2000171?fbclid=IwAR1yaTgICfc15rO6mkI90pBb45j1EnT87KA5p9gcfnixqS%20ciJWsFeQb4j5I

This lab in France has tested over 5000 samples and not one had SARS-CoV-2. They did however find 373 other coronaviruses as well as other respiratory virus that routinely kill people all over the world.





It's worth noting that you did ultimately come up with something substantial to support what you claimed earlier about test reliability. Looks like a legit scientific journal and they thought the letter was credible enough to publish. Though as a letter to the editor it presumably was not peer reviewed.




That letter makes no claims about rest reliabllty, and they are not questioning the results of the tests they analyzed. They are questioning whether the fear of importing the virus into France was overblown because the tests they analyzed did not have any novel coronavirus.


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    #26541917 - 03/18/20 01:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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They did tho..

From the medicinenet article...
"False negatives comprised just 3% of the patient population in this study. However, failure to detect a small number of cases of the potentially deadly viral infection may have wide-ranging effects for patients and others who may become infected."

I mean, at this point, you're just rejecting facts in the face of facts.




I said false positives not false negatives.

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.8.2000171?fbclid=IwAR1yaTgICfc15rO6mkI90pBb45j1EnT87KA5p9gcfnixqS%20ciJWsFeQb4j5I

This lab in France has tested over 5000 samples and not one had SARS-CoV-2. They did however find 373 other coronaviruses as well as other respiratory virus that routinely kill people all over the world. 

It's so odd that you get mobbed when you ask for proof. Especially when it comes to something so serious... People are strange...



So for sake of the argument, let's assume that you are right and there's a huge problem with the tests in terms of specificity, to the extent that they give almost all false positives (low specificity). The first problem is that you contradict yourself in the post quoted above, where you rely on an institute that allegedly performed testing and found no positives, which would imply that their test is either perfect, or suffers from the exact opposite problem of the other tests in use, i.e. unusably low sensitivity. But let's step aside that issue as well.

Then we're still left with an already big and growing number of cases that for some, unexplained reason suffer in large numbers from ARDS - much larger numbers than we normally get with influenza at this time of the year. Even if it were not SARS-CoV-2, then something else is causing this problem.

Sure, you could argue that there are in fact two problems going on: (1) fundamentally flawed SARS-CoV-2 test that suffer from phenomenally low specificity and (2) a mutation of a different virus that causes the symptoms and epidemiology we're seeing. I would then argue that Occam's Razor should be regarded; how likely is it that several institutes have come up with SARS-CoV-2 tests that ALL suffer form the same specificity problem, and that seriously afflicted patients occur in these numbers without a credible rival explanation and ALL exhibit symptoms that are not treatable as we have been treating viral infections for decades? Add to this that we do know for sure that SARS-CoV-2 exists, it has been observed in the Wuhan patients with other methods than the existing tests (e.g. SEM imaging, RNA sequencing) and elsewhere and is likely to explain the epidemiology we're witnessing.

And even if this is one gigantic fluke (which, again, is unlikely to the point of being ridiculous), the measures of social distancing would still be an appropriate choice given that the source of the problems would then be a similar viral infection.

Using an unsupported argument about specificity problems with the test used to draw into doubt what we're observing through several different methods is just very sloppy and irrational reasoning. It simply doesn't add up.


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    #26541927 - 03/18/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Italy definitely underestimated the Coronavirus and downplayed it. Now they are in a world of hurt. From Feb 23rd: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/europe/italy-novel-coronavirus-spike-intl/index.html

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Italy definitely underestimated the Coronavirus and downplayed it. Now they are in a world of hurt. From Feb 23rd: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/europe/italy-novel-coronavirus-spike-intl/index.html

Is testing as easy as? Collect spit, look under microscope, see Coronavirus.




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    #26542132 - 03/18/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Is testing as easy as? Collect spit, look under microscope, see Coronavirus.




From what I heard from my brother in Houston, the idea of the drive through test is that they stick a qtip in yout nose and take a mouth swab and analyze that.


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    #26542135 - 03/18/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ah i see. :thumbup:

Idk PumpJack, thats a bit of a stretch. We'll see.


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    #26542168 - 03/18/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Italy has over 10,000 cases: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/number-coronavirus-cases-rises-italy-hit-hard/story?id=69513697

Currently, the US has about 4,600: https://people.com/health/us-coronavirus-cases-map/

To have that big of a jump in a couple days isnt likely. Maybe in a week.


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    #26542184 - 03/18/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

We are not testing like we should be.

The govornor said there could be thousands of cases in CO alone.

We have community spread here.


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    #26542204 - 03/18/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You had 8 weeks of community spread under the radar in the US.

Its literally possible that there are more undocumented cases in the US than documented cases worldwide.


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    #26542212 - 03/18/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Italy has over 10,000 cases: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/number-coronavirus-cases-rises-italy-hit-hard/story?id=69513697

Currently, the US has about 4,600: https://people.com/health/us-coronavirus-cases-map/

To have that big of a jump in a couple days isnt likely. Maybe in a week.



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You had 8 weeks of community spread under the radar in the US.

Its literally possible that there are more undocumented cases in the US than documented cases worldwide.





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    #26542249 - 03/18/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Italy has over 10,000 cases: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/number-coronavirus-cases-rises-italy-hit-hard/story?id=69513697

Currently, the US has about 4,600: https://people.com/health/us-coronavirus-cases-map/

To have that big of a jump in a couple days isnt likely. Maybe in a week.






USA has probably like over 6500 or 7000 now


https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6



6,496


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475 Italians died today.


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    #26542638 - 03/18/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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kikthefreak said:
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They did tho..

From the medicinenet article...
"False negatives comprised just 3% of the patient population in this study. However, failure to detect a small number of cases of the potentially deadly viral infection may have wide-ranging effects for patients and others who may become infected."

I mean, at this point, you're just rejecting facts in the face of facts.




I said false positives not false negatives.

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.8.2000171?fbclid=IwAR1yaTgICfc15rO6mkI90pBb45j1EnT87KA5p9gcfnixqS%20ciJWsFeQb4j5I

This lab in France has tested over 5000 samples and not one had SARS-CoV-2. They did however find 373 other coronaviruses as well as other respiratory virus that routinely kill people all over the world. 

It's so odd that you get mobbed when you ask for proof. Especially when it comes to something so serious... People are strange...



So for sake of the argument, let's assume that you are right and there's a huge problem with the tests in terms of specificity, to the extent that they give almost all false positives (low specificity). The first problem is that you contradict yourself in the post quoted above, where you rely on an institute that allegedly performed testing and found no positives, which would imply that their test is either perfect, or suffers from the exact opposite problem of the other tests in use, i.e. unusably low sensitivity. But let's step aside that issue as well.

Then we're still left with an already big and growing number of cases that for some, unexplained reason suffer in large numbers from ARDS - much larger numbers than we normally get with influenza at this time of the year. Even if it were not SARS-CoV-2, then something else is causing this problem.

Sure, you could argue that there are in fact two problems going on: (1) fundamentally flawed SARS-CoV-2 test that suffer from phenomenally low specificity and (2) a mutation of a different virus that causes the symptoms and epidemiology we're seeing. I would then argue that Occam's Razor should be regarded; how likely is it that several institutes have come up with SARS-CoV-2 tests that ALL suffer form the same specificity problem, and that seriously afflicted patients occur in these numbers without a credible rival explanation and ALL exhibit symptoms that are not treatable as we have been treating viral infections for decades? Add to this that we do know for sure that SARS-CoV-2 exists, it has been observed in the Wuhan patients with other methods than the existing tests (e.g. SEM imaging, RNA sequencing) and elsewhere and is likely to explain the epidemiology we're witnessing.

And even if this is one gigantic fluke (which, again, is unlikely to the point of being ridiculous), the measures of social distancing would still be an appropriate choice given that the source of the problems would then be a similar viral infection.

Using an unsupported argument about specificity problems with the test used to draw into doubt what we're observing through several different methods is just very sloppy and irrational reasoning. It simply doesn't add up.





If everyone used SEM imaging on every case, that would be fantastic. Unfortunately that is not the case for logistical reasons.

We agree there are problems with RNA sequencing both in terms of false positives AND false negatives.

And we agree that what we are seeing is on par to what you normally see during flu season.

There are many coronaviruses and other respiratory virus that produce the same symptoms and epidomology. To attribute a death or a "confirmed" case specifically to SARS-CoV-2, without knowing definitely is very sloppy and irresponsible.


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    #26542838 - 03/18/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

>And we agree that what we are seeing is on par to what you normally see during flu season.
No, we don't agree. My sister is a doctor in a nursing home. What's happening there is in no way normal for a typical flu season. Not at all.


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>And we agree that what we are seeing is on par to what you normally see during flu season.
No, we don't agree. My sister is a doctor in a nursing home. What's happening there is in no way normal for a typical flu season. Not at all.




https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

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Its not the "numbers" as much as it is the "intensity"


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>And we agree that what we are seeing is on par to what you normally see during flu season.
No, we don't agree. My sister is a doctor in a nursing home. What's happening there is in no way normal for a typical flu season. Not at all.




https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?




Comparison to the flu is absurd unless it’s the Spanish flu but even then covid-19 is worse


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These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?



I disagree. Because coronavirus comes on top of the existing flu and it affects a larger part of the population more severely.

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These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?



I disagree. Because coronavirus comes on top of the existing flu and it affects a larger part of the population more severely.

Why are you so bent on trying to marginalize this situation?




I'm being rational which apparently is frowned upon. The reaction in any situation should be in proportion to the threat. Look at real data to determine the threat instead of news headlines.

Why are you so bent on sensatiolizing this and creating panic? Why are you bent on destroying people's jobs and lives in the long run over something that kills a tiny fraction of what the flu does?


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>And we agree that what we are seeing is on par to what you normally see during flu season.
No, we don't agree. My sister is a doctor in a nursing home. What's happening there is in no way normal for a typical flu season. Not at all.




https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?




Comparison to the flu is absurd unless it’s the Spanish flu but even then covid-19 is worse




How is the flu not worse? It literally kills 100 to 200 times more people... What the hell?!


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 1
    #26544054 - 03/19/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's not worse because most people already have some level of immunity to the flu.

We don't have any immunity to this new coronavirus.

You can stop citing the number of flu deaths as if that somehow matters—it doesn't.

This new virus just showed up a couple months ago, flu has been around much longer.

Obviously more people have died from flu, but that doesn't mean it's more deadly.

It just means it has been around longer.


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    #26544064 - 03/19/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I read an artricle about how some people are simply not mentally capable of understanding exponential growth. I think this explains Kiks attitude


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #26544066 - 03/19/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, thats a lot of deaths from the flu. However, with ANY novel virus, you should fear them more than the common flu. The reason is that the risk of the novel virus is undiscovered, therefore could be more deadly than the flu.

Millions of people get the flu every year and have not died. Its so common place that for healthy individuals its not really a big deal. But with the Coronavirus, its a new (novel) virus therefore it spreads easily and effectively and the health risks associated with it are not well known.

The fear here is the unknown. Thats whats scary. Humanity has dealt with the flu for ages but this is the first time dealing with this Coronavirus. And a disease with unknown properties is a scary thought.


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    #26544188 - 03/19/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?



I disagree. Because coronavirus comes on top of the existing flu and it affects a larger part of the population more severely.

Why are you so bent on trying to marginalize this situation?




I'm being rational which apparently is frowned upon. The reaction in any situation should be in proportion to the threat. Look at real data to determine the threat instead of news headlines.

Why are you so bent on sensatiolizing this and creating panic? Why are you bent on destroying people's jobs and lives in the long run over something that kills a tiny fraction of what the flu does?
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Yes, thats a lot of deaths from the flu. However, with ANY novel virus, you should fear them more than the common flu. The reason is that the risk of the novel virus is undiscovered, therefore could be more deadly than the flu.

Millions of people get the flu every year and have not died. Its so common place that for healthy individuals its not really a big deal. But with the Coronavirus, its a new (novel) virus therefore it spreads easily and effectively and the health risks associated with it are not well known.

The fear here is the unknown. Thats whats scary. Humanity has dealt with the flu for ages but this is the first time dealing with this Coronavirus. And a disease with unknown properties is a scary thought.




Guys, every year there are several new flu virus strains. This is why so many people die year after year. (61,000 died 2 flu seasons ago, just in the US) The flu mutates and vaccines for different strains must be created every year.

There are hundreds of types of coronaviruses as well. They also mutate and thus there are new strains. This particular coronavirus (COVID 19), is relatively weak compared to much more dangerous flu strains. With this coronavirus, 80% of the people that get it exhibit no or mild symptoms, some have moderate symptoms and a small percentage have severe symptoms. The ones at risk are the ones with compromised immune systems (the elderly, sick, etc.)

The UK actually is responding intelligently instead of running around panicking. They are isolating the vulnerable population while everyone else goes to work or business as usual. If they get symptoms, then they stay home. Over time herd immunity builds and more importantly you don't destroy an entire economy, devastating people's livelihood and health in the process.


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    #26544205 - 03/19/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid:

So coronavirus is new, but the flu isn't?

COVID-19 is a novel strain of coronavirus.
Each year we see novel strains of influenza.

The major difference is we have vaccination capability with the flu and can get lucky in predictions to get ahead of it.  Until now we haven't had any vaccinations for coronaviruses, so we haven't gotten ahead of any of them from an immunization perspective.


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    #26544208 - 03/19/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You keep comparing the flu which we have been exposed to for thousands of years to a virus to which less than 0.1% of the world population has been exposed so far and that already cripples well developed healthcare systems. Acknowledging this isn't sensationalism, it's just facing facts.

Sure, another possible response is to do nothing and sacrifice a part of the population, but the issue is that part of that sacrifice is unnecessary. It's balancing economic motives against human lives. That's always a difficult dilemma.

I'm not blind to the economic impact of our response - far from it. We all experience it every day. But I also acknowledge the part of human nature that refuses to choose cash over lives.


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    #26544213 - 03/19/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

We have been exposed to coronaviruses for thousands of years the same way we have been exposed to influenza viruses for thousands of years.  And millions of years is a more accurate metric.


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    #26544220 - 03/19/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Guys: Most of the influenza going around are descendants of the Spanish Flu.

The big scare with Flu is when a novel kind of Flu just crossed the species barrier from animals to humans.

Seasonal flu doesn't.

Swine flu did. pow! crisis!
Avian flu does. Pow! crisis!


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    #26544230 - 03/19/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You keep comparing the flu which we have been exposed to for thousands of years to a virus to which less than 0.1% of the world population has been exposed so far and that already cripples well developed healthcare systems. Acknowledging this isn't sensationalism, it's just facing facts.

Sure, another possible response is to do nothing and sacrifice a part of the population, but the issue is that part of that sacrifice is unnecessary. It's balancing economic motives against human lives. That's always a difficult dilemma.

I'm not blind to the economic impact of our response - far from it. We all experience it every day. But I also acknowledge the part of human nature that refuses to choose cash over lives.




I didn't say do nothing. What the UK is doing is very smart.

Again, we don't know the extent of this virus. Many of the "confirmed" cases reported are based on symptoms which means another coronavirus or respiratory virus could have caused it. We don't know. But all the statistics automatically get attributed to COVID 19 in a very unscientific manner.

Also, I'm not concerned about the money per se. If they stopped this panic lunacy tomorrow and the economy picked up, everything would be mostly fine. If they continue this for months it could cause a big recession which would kill some people and others would be crippled by other illnesses in the long run. The poor disproportionately suffer from both physical and mental health issues.


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    #26544241 - 03/19/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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We have been exposed to coronaviruses for thousands of years the same way we have been exposed to influenza viruses for thousands of years.  And millions of years is a more accurate metric.




No it's not. Homo sapiens have not existed on earth for millions of years.

The oldest skeletons are like 200,000 years old the last time I checked.

And the most recent common ancestor of all coronaviruses has been placed at around 8000 BCE. source

Thousands of years was more accurate.


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    #26544250 - 03/19/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

And as far as the origin of the virus. In Finland guy who is working in Finnish military was just speaking about this in tv openly. He is working with biowarfare and his opinion was that this virus is man made in lab and not just some coronavirus that jumped species in chinese marketplace. And he is giving this information as representing the goverment not as a civilian.


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    #26544257 - 03/19/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting.

How does he know its man-made? How do u tell the difference between a wild strain and a manufactured one?


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We have been exposed to coronaviruses for thousands of years the same way we have been exposed to influenza viruses for thousands of years.  And millions of years is a more accurate metric.




No it's not. Homo sapiens have not existed on earth for millions of years.

The oldest skeletons are like 200,000 years old the last time I checked.

And the most recent common ancestor of all coronaviruses has been placed at around 8000 BCE. source

Thousands of years was more accurate.




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We have been exposed to coronaviruses for thousands of years the same way we have been exposed to influenza viruses for thousands of years.  And millions of years is a more accurate metric.




No it's not. Homo sapiens have not existed on earth for millions of years.

The oldest skeletons are like 200,000 years old the last time I checked.

And the most recent common ancestor of all coronaviruses has been placed at around 8000 BCE. source

Thousands of years was more accurate.




Evolution is a gradual process.



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We have been exposed to coronaviruses for thousands of years the same way we have been exposed to influenza viruses for thousands of years.  And millions of years is a more accurate metric.




No it's not. Homo sapiens have not existed on earth for millions of years.

The oldest skeletons are like 200,000 years old the last time I checked.

And the most recent common ancestor of all coronaviruses has been placed at around 8000 BCE. source

Thousands of years was more accurate.




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    #26544414 - 03/19/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You keep comparing the flu which we have been exposed to for thousands of years to a virus to which less than 0.1% of the world population has been exposed so far and that already cripples well developed healthcare systems. Acknowledging this isn't sensationalism, it's just facing facts.

Sure, another possible response is to do nothing and sacrifice a part of the population, but the issue is that part of that sacrifice is unnecessary. It's balancing economic motives against human lives. That's always a difficult dilemma.

I'm not blind to the economic impact of our response - far from it. We all experience it every day. But I also acknowledge the part of human nature that refuses to choose cash over lives.




I didn't say do nothing. What the UK is doing is very smart.

Again, we don't know the extent of this virus. Many of the "confirmed" cases reported are based on symptoms which means another coronavirus or respiratory virus could have caused it. We don't know. But all the statistics automatically get attributed to COVID 19 in a very unscientific manner.

Also, I'm not concerned about the money per se. If they stopped this panic lunacy tomorrow and the economy picked up, everything would be mostly fine. If they continue this for months it could cause a big recession which would kill some people and others would be crippled by other illnesses in the long run. The poor disproportionately suffer from both physical and mental health issues.



Even if only 20% of the cases is accurately reported, the problem still is just as big. Fiddling with statistics on your end based on void assumptions doesn't clean out ICU's of patients with ARDS. They are there. They weren't there 6 months ago, or last year during the annual flu wave.

Time will tell if the UK approach is a better option than the Wuhan or SKorean total lockdown or the varioud in-between approaches. And which is better depends mostly on which criteria you use for defining "better".

And no, the disproportionately large wave of seriously afflicted patients cannot be explained by existing coronaviruses or the flu. Otherwise we'd just say the normal load on the healthcare system we see every year. This is gigantic in comparison and even without accurate testing and case definitions statistically traces back to SARS NCoV2 complete certainty. Arguing against that is just a matter of ignorance or an unwillingness to face facts on your end. Go ahead with that if you want, but you're not convincing me of anything but your lack of ability to think straight.


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You keep comparing the flu which we have been exposed to for thousands of years to a virus to which less than 0.1% of the world population has been exposed so far and that already cripples well developed healthcare systems. Acknowledging this isn't sensationalism, it's just facing facts.

Sure, another possible response is to do nothing and sacrifice a part of the population, but the issue is that part of that sacrifice is unnecessary. It's balancing economic motives against human lives. That's always a difficult dilemma.

I'm not blind to the economic impact of our response - far from it. We all experience it every day. But I also acknowledge the part of human nature that refuses to choose cash over lives.




I didn't say do nothing. What the UK is doing is very smart.

Again, we don't know the extent of this virus. Many of the "confirmed" cases reported are based on symptoms which means another coronavirus or respiratory virus could have caused it. We don't know. But all the statistics automatically get attributed to COVID 19 in a very unscientific manner.

Also, I'm not concerned about the money per se. If they stopped this panic lunacy tomorrow and the economy picked up, everything would be mostly fine. If they continue this for months it could cause a big recession which would kill some people and others would be crippled by other illnesses in the long run. The poor disproportionately suffer from both physical and mental health issues.



Even if only 20% of the cases is accurately reported, the problem still is just as big. Fiddling with statistics on your end based on void assumptions doesn't clean out ICU's of patients with ARDS. They are there. They weren't there 6 months ago, or last year during the annual flu wave.

Time will tell if the UK approach is a better option than the Wuhan or SKorean total lockdown or the varioud in-between approaches. And which is better depends mostly on which criteria you use for defining "better".

And no, the disproportionately large wave of seriously afflicted patients cannot be explained by existing coronaviruses or the flu. Otherwise we'd just say the normal load on the healthcare system we see every year. This is gigantic in comparison and even without accurate testing and case definitions statistically traces back to SARS NCoV2 complete certainty. Arguing against that is just a matter of ignorance or an unwillingness to face facts on your end. Go ahead with that if you want, but you're not convincing me of anything but your lack of ability to think straight.




Yes, people die of respiratory diseases from either coronaviruses or the flu viruses or from pneumonia all the time. 300,000 a year in China alone. Nobody seems to care until all the media outlets shout "panic!".

You also have to keep in mind that different countries likely have different mutations. Italy appears to have a more deadly one. But no, most country's healthcare systems are running fine. One problem however is that many needed surgeries and other needed medical care are being delayed because of this overwhelming fear.

To answer your question, I'm defining "better" as the best health outcomes for the majority of people both in the short and long term.


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>And we agree that what we are seeing is on par to what you normally see during flu season.
No, we don't agree. My sister is a doctor in a nursing home. What's happening there is in no way normal for a typical flu season. Not at all.




https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?




Comparison to the flu is absurd unless it’s the Spanish flu but even then covid-19 is worse




How is the flu not worse? It literally kills 100 to 200 times more people... What the hell?!




dude, this COVID19 pandemic is JUST STARTING IN AMERICA.  We are in the EARLY STAGES.  The worst is yet to come.  You are being impatient and unreasonable.  After this pandemic is over please report back to us the numbers between the flu and COVID19.


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Overblown coronavirus???





If you're sitting in the bus and someone with Corona exhales on the opposite side, chances are it will blow over to you.


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Overblownorivirus?





Overblown: when there is a line of 6 bears queued up to suck your dick and they all want something to show for their effort. By the end of that you are overblown.


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    #26544711 - 03/19/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Here's the thing...the data on deaths of flu and pneumonia are not great and a pediatrician from California called out the CDC years ago on this in a "Request for Correction"
https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc

"Typically, influenza causes death when the infection leads to severe medical complications." And as most such cases "are never tested for virus infection...CDC considers these [NCHS] figures to be a very substantial undercounting of the true number of deaths from influenza. Therefore, the CDC uses indirect modelling methods to estimate the number of deaths associated with influenza."


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>And we agree that what we are seeing is on par to what you normally see during flu season.
No, we don't agree. My sister is a doctor in a nursing home. What's happening there is in no way normal for a typical flu season. Not at all.




https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?




Comparison to the flu is absurd unless it’s the Spanish flu but even then covid-19 is worse




How is the flu not worse? It literally kills 100 to 200 times more people... What the hell?!




dude, this COVID19 pandemic is JUST STARTING IN AMERICA.  We are in the EARLY STAGES.  The worst is yet to come.  You are being impatient and unreasonable.  After this pandemic is over please report back to us the numbers between the flu and COVID19.





Yes sir. I also want you to report the numbers after this is over or at the end of the year.


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    #26544813 - 03/19/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Are you literally incapable of projecting what is happening into the future? Do you not understand that in a month there will be 10x as many covid-19 deaths than the flu?

Even Donald trump gets it now and he’s one of the dumbest motherfuckers on earth.


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Are you literally incapable of projecting what is happening into the future? Do you not understand that in a month there will be 10x as many covid-19 deaths than the flu?

Even Donald trump gets it now and he’s one of the dumbest motherfuckers on earth.




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Are you literally incapable of projecting what is happening into the future? Do you not understand that in a month there will be 10x as many covid-19 deaths than the flu?






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Evolution is a gradual process.







Let me elaborate.  And, yes, waves is correct specific to coronavirus, it is traced to when he indicated.  And specific to homo sapiens have only been around since he indicated.  But that misses the entire point.

Viral infection is not unique to homo sapiens.

The evolutionary history of humanity is much longer, and we have dealt with infectious disease that entire time.

Every disease that arises is novel when it first arises.  Diseases are evolving themselves.

What is going on now is nothing new.  This is not the end times. 

One thing that may have prevented pandemics in the past is that if humanity was contained to nomadic tribes, "social distancing" was a way of life.  If disease wiped out one tribe it wouldn't necessarily be spread to other tribes.  The advent of cities changed all that. 

No one likes disease.  It still doesn't explain what is going on.


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    #26544909 - 03/19/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Are you literally incapable of projecting what is happening into the future? Do you not understand that in a month there will be 10x as many covid-19 deaths than the flu?

Even Donald trump gets it now and he’s one of the dumbest motherfuckers on earth.




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    #26544920 - 03/19/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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dude, this COVID19 pandemic is JUST STARTING IN AMERICA.  We are in the EARLY STAGES.  The worst is yet to come.  You are being impatient and unreasonable.  After this pandemic is over please report back to us the numbers between the flu and COVID19.





Yes sir. I also want you to report the numbers after this is over or at the end of the year.





Will do.  I pray that you're right and I'm wrong, but based on the evidence so far it looks like COVID19 will be way worse than the flu.


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    #26544926 - 03/19/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I thought coronavirus made you blue, not red.


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    #26544932 - 03/19/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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    #26557807 - 03/25/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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    #26557872 - 03/25/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

2020 Flu Season in the US (as of 3/14):

54,000,000 cases
59,000 deaths

Coronavirus (COVID-19) in the US (as of 3/25):

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    #26557886 - 03/25/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh I get it.
Luckily, people smarter than me are able to understand exponential growth, and thankfully we have the data from other countries to support the "mania".


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    #26557931 - 03/25/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

it's not overblown in new york

it is overblown in texas, but it doesn't matter. a lot better safe than sorry.

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    #26558013 - 03/25/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Oh I get it.
Luckily, people smarter than me are able to understand exponential growth, and thankfully we have the data from other countries to support the "mania".




I feel like alot of people are using this term without knowing what it means.

Flu features exponential growth.
It's because of how contagious it is. 2 people can infect a larger number of people than 1 and 10 can infect a significantly larger number. That's generally how highly infectious pandemics work. Basically exponential growth ...describes a pandemic.



What's alarming about coronavirus is the type of exponential growth it's exhibiting. How high that growth margin is.

But to OP's point we don't actually know how fast it spread because we had shit testing.


To infectious disease experts that I'm sure know # of confirmed cases =/= new infections the alarming thing is that something must eventually stop exponential growth (that is the cases rising rapidly). With the flu we can count on population immunity. It would quickly infect and kill those susceptible to it.

With CV... we don't know. It might keep going until half of the global population is sick and go several rounds through the global population before there's any reliable immunity. And it might exhibit exponential growth until then. Which ultimately means many more people dead than the flu.

Absolute worst case scenario it would continue to exhibit that until most of us were dead. But that's unlikely.


https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

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That said, scientists have studied seasonal flu for decades. So, despite the danger of it, we know a lot about flu viruses and what to expect each season. In contrast, very little is known about the new coronavirus and the disease it causes, dubbed COVID-19, because it's so new. This means COVID-19 is something of a wild card in terms of how far it will spread and how many deaths it will cause.




It's not spreading faster than the flu, it's not necessarily deadlier than the flu, it's just alot less known than the flu and could be alot deadlier.

The article I linked suggests it actually doesn't spread as well as the common flu. :ohwell: We really have no freaking idea because, again, testing hasn't been great.

But it's important to note that this could have been a flu. Several of the common colds that circulate every year are coronaviruses. Which is good news for us because it means we might actually have some immunity to it, unlike, say... Ebola or something. It might very well be why some people get it, even some people not in the greatest of health, and just get a bit of a cough instead of pneumonia.



So it's also important to note it could have been far worse. In fact experts were quite scared that the last Ebola outbreak would be that super deadly pandemic that's bound to happen sooner or later because viruses and bacteria are constantly evolving... It wasn't. And since we're actually doing something it's unlikely coronavirus will hit with its full potential.

But... we don't know what that is. And we don't know if it's going to stick with us the way H1N1 has and kill half a million people every year even after we develop a vaccine. :ohwell:

I don't think it's overblown so much as people don't know how to take something seriously without thinking it's potentially world ending.


Or understanding that alot of things are potentially world ending and that an asteroid big enough to wipe us all out at any minute could nail the planet and we probably wouldn't see it coming because telescopes are not trained on every visible part of space.


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    #26585266 - 04/07/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Do u still think the Coronavirus Outbreak of 2020 is overblown?


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    #26585315 - 04/08/20 12:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If people would stop comparing it to the Spanish flu.
Socially the Spanish flu is all we can compare it to but as far as the effect of the virus... Families aren't being left to rot in their homes because social services are so overwhelmed they can't even send dead carts. Which they did do.

Hospitals became so completely overwhelmed the sick were laid on the floor next to the dying so that when that patient died they could toss them into a mass grave and lift the patient from the floor to the still warm bed. So many hospital staff got sick that in many cases patients didn't even get the most basic care, like food and water. most people who died did so within 24hours, sometimes 12 hours. Many wards had patients dying every. Single. Minute. For days. For weeks.

This is not the Spanish flu. It's just the first pandemic to hit us after the invention of antibiotics and vaccines.


Comparing it to one of the worst pandemics in history, something on a scale that is literally unimaginable to us, makes it seem overblown.


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Why is taking such an irrational approach actually still on the table? Why is it that a person can freely state, with no intellectual consequences, that hospitals are overcrowded and my friends are working 24/7 to save lives because of some sort of mass hysteria? Why in the name of anything sensible, with all the data we already have, anyone still compare this to H1N1? 2000 people died in 48 hours of... possibly mass hysteria?

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    #26585406 - 04/08/20 01:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It definitely seems a little overblown now the worldwide community response has been so huge. One can imagine though if we didn't have the technology and the epidemiological understanding that we do. COVID19 would have been caught by every man, woman and child in society. We would be piling the dead in the streets. Thank the universe for modern food, medicine, technology and communication. It could be so much worse.


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    #26585502 - 04/08/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If people would stop comparing it to the Spanish flu.
Socially the Spanish flu is all we can compare it to but as far as the effect of the virus... Families aren't being left to rot in their homes because social services are so overwhelmed they can't even send dead carts. Which they did do.

Hospitals became so completely overwhelmed the sick were laid on the floor next to the dying so that when that patient died they could toss them into a mass grave and lift the patient from the floor to the still warm bed. So many hospital staff got sick that in many cases patients didn't even get the most basic care, like food and water. most people who died did so within 24hours, sometimes 12 hours. Many wards had patients dying every. Single. Minute. For days. For weeks.

This is not the Spanish flu. It's just the first pandemic to hit us after the invention of antibiotics and vaccines.


Comparing it to one of the worst pandemics in history, something on a scale that is literally unimaginable to us, makes it seem overblown.





The 2nd wave during the Spanish Flu mutated and killed everyone.

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    #26585850 - 04/08/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I mean yeah it's possible the worst is yet to come. That's true of any virus that is very good at replicating itself. It's why that last outbreak of Ebola was so concerning.

But influenza is a very different type of virus. Afaik nothing is faster or better at mutating.


For sure there's reason to be concerned but there's been thousands of pandemics like covid19. There's little to point to it being a Spanish flu.


To Northerners point we live in a much more advanced society. In the early 1900s most people grew up in slums around industrial factories with no environmental standards and with poor nutrition and having already battled numerous illness. Including hook worm and other parasites.

There will undoubtedly be a 2nd wave. We can't count on coronavirus dying down if it's not a seasonal bug like flu. When people get out again it will rise again.



If they don't develop a vaccine or it doesn't die down on it's own it likely will become as regular to us as the common cold. After it infects everyone and kills who it will.

Our tactics are aimed at delay, not victory.


But then this is probably very much like how the common cold started.


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    #26589116 - 04/09/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Kik, the Italian healthcare system is overrun with people dying everywhere, the hospitals are spilling over with people with pneumonia who all need ventilators and all test positive with the same trajectory of illness.

The test is completely correlated to the emerging syndrome, you're being edgy.




For real

This guy thinks he's smarter than the tens of thousands of healthcare professionals, scientists and medical professionals who's opinions are all converging and supporting the same conclusion.

Show you the testing is legit. LOL. Yeah. Okay, random know it all :rolleyes:

There's a time and a place to respect the consensus of experts and professionals from such diverging fields. This is it.


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    #26589120 - 04/09/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I mean yeah it's possible the worst is yet to come. That's true of any virus that is very good at replicating itself. It's why that last outbreak of Ebola was so concerning.

But influenza is a very different type of virus. Afaik nothing is faster or better at mutating.


For sure there's reason to be concerned but there's been thousands of pandemics like covid19. There's little to point to it being a Spanish flu.


To Northerners point we live in a much more advanced society. In the early 1900s most people grew up in slums around industrial factories with no environmental standards and with poor nutrition and having already battled numerous illness. Including hook worm and other parasites.

There will undoubtedly be a 2nd wave. We can't count on coronavirus dying down if it's not a seasonal bug like flu. When people get out again it will rise again.



If they don't develop a vaccine or it doesn't die down on it's own it likely will become as regular to us as the common cold. After it infects everyone and kills who it will.

Our tactics are aimed at delay, not victory.


But then this is probably very much like how the common cold started.




I pretty sure the common cold is lethal to those without a tolerance to it. COVID is NOT overblown but people pretending like it doesn't matter make this worse than it needs to be.


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    #26589131 - 04/09/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I watched that documentary on YouTube, but I'm also leery of the Epoch Times.  It's ownership isn't really clear, they incorporate their businesses through non-profit organizations under the Epoch Media Group, and it was founded by a group of folks who either left or were kicked out of China for being part of a religious minority.  They've got an interest in making China look bad.

Let me be clear, I believe China is hiding their numbers or something else.  That documentary brought up a lot of good points...but it's also coming from a biased source....so you gotta take it all with a grain of salt.


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I pretty sure the common cold is lethal to those without a tolerance to it. COVID is NOT overblown but people pretending like it doesn't matter make this worse than it needs to be.




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Quote:

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I mean yeah it's possible the worst is yet to come. That's true of any virus that is very good at replicating itself. It's why that last outbreak of Ebola was so concerning.

But influenza is a very different type of virus. Afaik nothing is faster or better at mutating.


For sure there's reason to be concerned but there's been thousands of pandemics like covid19. There's little to point to it being a Spanish flu.


To Northerners point we live in a much more advanced society. In the early 1900s most people grew up in slums around industrial factories with no environmental standards and with poor nutrition and having already battled numerous illness. Including hook worm and other parasites.

There will undoubtedly be a 2nd wave. We can't count on coronavirus dying down if it's not a seasonal bug like flu. When people get out again it will rise again.



If they don't develop a vaccine or it doesn't die down on it's own it likely will become as regular to us as the common cold. After it infects everyone and kills who it will.

Our tactics are aimed at delay, not victory.


But then this is probably very much like how the common cold started.




I pretty sure the common cold is lethal to those without a tolerance to it. COVID is NOT overblown but people pretending like it doesn't matter make this worse than it needs to be.




Yeah it can be but not many people like that exist. Also... common cold is more than a dozen different viruses. Yeah people are susceptible to some colds and if they're weak enough the common cold can kill them. Common cold is one of the most prominent infectious killers of people with advanced cancer undergoing intensive chemotherapy.


But we've had hundreds of years, if not thousands or millions of years, to build up immunity to what we call "the" common cold.


What I meant was more like when something like Rhinovirus first appeared it probably behaved something very much like this. Killing unpredictably, while well fought off by most. It being recognizable enough that most people's immune systems kick in and take care of it. But it being unfamiliar enough to be lethal to others.


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The data are in. It is just as serious as our annual flu. So, the media and governors have caused a lot of deaths and child molestations


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    #26627804 - 04/25/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ok maybe the deaths, but the child molelesting? How does that play into the Coronavirus Pandemic of 2020?


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Ok maybe the deaths, but the child molelesting? How does that play into the Coronavirus Pandemic of 2020?




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    #26628003 - 04/25/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok maybe the deaths, but the child molelesting? How does that play into the Coronavirus Pandemic of 2020?



Yeah id really like to hear the rationale behind that.


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InvisibleShenmue
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #26628236 - 04/25/20 09:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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OfflineHappySloth
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 1
    #26628408 - 04/25/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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kikthefreak said:
Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous? Considering there is no reliable testing, all the statistics reported are meaningless and could be attributed to other causes especially since many of the deaths are older people with many comorbidities. Not to mention 300,000 people die in China from pneumonia every year normally.  Why is there so much panic based on very unreliable testing?




I do agree.

Some years the flu causes 50k deaths+ in the UK - so far this pandemic has killed 20k

Why don't we shut down for the flu every year or care about all the millions who diesof starvation in the world or of car traffic deaths - no one cares about thqat death taht happens every year cuz its not in the media. :mad2:

Lockdown is a vain attempt to educate the public into behaviour they shud be in anyway.


Some of it is good,
I'm def sick of people with disgusting hygene going about shops invading peoples personal space and contaminating products but

The real; rediculous thing is that 90% of people don't know enough basic biology to understand how they spread shit and create shit.  :mad::thumbdown:  I'm on a planet full of morons.  Its just sad to me - I don't feel superior its just so so sad.


The fact humans are doing nothing to address the route causes of this factory farming and meat markets with poor conditions breed super viruses MEANS that its gonna happen again,
I
'm vegetarian yet I have to pay the price for every one elses behaviour so yeah thats pretty shitty to me.

These sick fucks are all cheering the re-opening of mcdonalds :facepalm: its reopened before any of the other services.
:mad:

Time to get off grid,

buy land in the country

gtfo


Edited by HappySloth (04/25/20 11:26 PM)


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InvisibleShenmue
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: HappySloth]
    #26628460 - 04/25/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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HappySloth said:
Quote:

kikthefreak said:
Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous? Considering there is no reliable testing, all the statistics reported are meaningless and could be attributed to other causes especially since many of the deaths are older people with many comorbidities. Not to mention 300,000 people die in China from pneumonia every year normally.  Why is there so much panic based on very unreliable testing?




I do agree.

Some years the flu causes 50k deaths+ in the UK - so far this pandemic has killed 20k

Why don't we shut down for the flu every year or care about all the millions who diesof starvation in the world or of car traffic deaths - no one cares about thqat death taht happens every year cuz its not in the media. :mad2:

Lockdown is a vain attempt to educate the public into behaviour they shud be in anyway.


Some of it is good,
I'm def sick of people with disgusting hygene going about shops invading peoples personal space and contaminating products but

The real; rediculous thing is that 90% of people don't know enough basic biology to understand how they spread shit and create shit.  :mad::thumbdown:  I'm on a planet full of morons.  Its just sad to me - I don't feel superior its just so so sad.


The fact humans are doing nothing to address the route causes of this factory farming and meat markets with poor conditions breed super viruses MEANS that its gonna happen again,
I
'm vegetarian yet I have to pay the price for every one elses behaviour so yeah thats pretty shitty to me.

These sick fucks are all cheering the re-opening of mcdonalds :facepalm: its reopened before any of the other services.
:mad:

Time to get off grid,

buy land in the country

gtfo




Yeah blame it on the meat eaters . I'll never stop eating chickens. They're fucking delicious :lol: ..


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: Shenmue]
    #26628704 - 04/26/20 02:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Chicken is rubbish. Ducks are where it's at.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: HappySloth]
    #26628788 - 04/26/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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HappySloth said:
Some years the flu causes 50k deaths+ in the UK - so far this pandemic has killed 20k




Imagine the numbers if drastic measures were not taken.

This is the typical bullshit from retards we'll have to deal with for years to come. "See, it weren't that bad all along, they shouldn't have made such a fuss about it." Great, if we hadn't done that, the death toll would have easily been in the millions by now.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koraks]
    #26629021 - 04/26/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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koraks said:
in the millions by now.




Yet, there are people who believe Rona had been circulating before it was ever known about, infecting millions and yet we still have a death toll comparable to seasonal flu.

If millions would have died, IMHO, we would be seeing those numbers regardless if there were lock down measures or not.

Something to realize is that not everything was shut down, so people were able to go about and mingle, spreading infections diseases on a daily basis, in grocery stores, hardware stores, liquor stores, etc. All activities that spread viruses.

People keep ignoring that those who perish have underlying health issues. A large percentage of people are surviving, well over 90%. If millions would,have died, feel that survival rate would be much, much lower.


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Invisiblekoraks
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: HamHead]
    #26629040 - 04/26/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sure, corona was going around a bit before the large scale measures were taken. That doesn't mean many people were already infected at that stage. Recent research here in The Netherlands suggests that by now around 3% of the population have been infected. That's still a tiny fraction. Yet, it was enough to more or less cripple the healthcare system.

The fact that people still mingle does indeed mean that infections still occur. They do. Just a whole lot less than when we mingled more than we do now. It's not a binary thing.

And duh, of course >90% survive. It's in fact a whole lot more. Closer to something like 98.5%, as the death rate (not CFR) seems to be somewhere around 1.5%. That still means it takes only 100 million infections (which is not all that much on a 7 billion population) to reach a death rate of 1.5 million. Predictions have been that for the virus to run its 'natural' course, the end state would be a total infection rate of between 30% and 60% of the population. Hence, would we allow this to run free, you'd have between 2.1 and 4.2 billion infections and 31.5-63 million deaths worldwide. For reference, the Holocaust cost the lives of around 6 million Jews (however, that took the Nazis roughly 3 years to pull that off, while corona could easily manage it within a year). That's 5-10 Holocausts for you if we sat there arguing that shit don't matter anyway, like you're doing.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koraks]
    #26629459 - 04/26/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

>millions

:lol: From one extreme to the other.

Lets all say something like this,

I admit I do not know how to put this into perspective yet.  Ahmen.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: HappySloth] * 1
    #26629965 - 04/26/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The study done in NY with anti body test suggest a .74% fatality rate, flu is .1 so 740% more deadly than the flu, but not destroy the whole economy and shut down all the beaches and if you go outside you should be thrown in jail bad.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koraks]
    #27245461 - 03/09/21 06:06 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Told you it was bullshit


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #27246118 - 03/10/21 05:50 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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kikthefreak said:
Told you it was bullshit




I'm always surprised when instead of admitting they were wrong, so many people double down on their ignorance. I guess I shouldn't be, but I still am.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: budmanman]
    #27246902 - 03/10/21 03:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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budmanman said:
The study done in NY with anti body test suggest a .74% fatality rate, flu is .1 so 740% more deadly than the flu, but not destroy the whole economy and shut down all the beaches and if you go outside you should be thrown in jail bad.



Who was thrown in jail for going outside?

When talking about flu deaths, you aren’t actually taking specifically about the flu. Laboratory confirmed flu deaths amount to a couple thousand a year. What you’re really taking about is ILI or influenza like illnesses. That is the official CDC term for people who die of generic respiratory illnesses (the flu, colds, pneumonias of all types). That is the designation for the 15k-50k annual deaths.


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