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kikthefreak
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chutney
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: Asante]
#26589116 - 04/09/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Asante said: Kik, the Italian healthcare system is overrun with people dying everywhere, the hospitals are spilling over with people with pneumonia who all need ventilators and all test positive with the same trajectory of illness.
The test is completely correlated to the emerging syndrome, you're being edgy.
For real
This guy thinks he's smarter than the tens of thousands of healthcare professionals, scientists and medical professionals who's opinions are all converging and supporting the same conclusion.
Show you the testing is legit. LOL. Yeah. Okay, random know it all 
There's a time and a place to respect the consensus of experts and professionals from such diverging fields. This is it.
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CookieCrumbs said: I mean yeah it's possible the worst is yet to come. That's true of any virus that is very good at replicating itself. It's why that last outbreak of Ebola was so concerning.
But influenza is a very different type of virus. Afaik nothing is faster or better at mutating.
For sure there's reason to be concerned but there's been thousands of pandemics like covid19. There's little to point to it being a Spanish flu.
To Northerners point we live in a much more advanced society. In the early 1900s most people grew up in slums around industrial factories with no environmental standards and with poor nutrition and having already battled numerous illness. Including hook worm and other parasites.
There will undoubtedly be a 2nd wave. We can't count on coronavirus dying down if it's not a seasonal bug like flu. When people get out again it will rise again.
If they don't develop a vaccine or it doesn't die down on it's own it likely will become as regular to us as the common cold. After it infects everyone and kills who it will.
Our tactics are aimed at delay, not victory.
But then this is probably very much like how the common cold started.
I pretty sure the common cold is lethal to those without a tolerance to it. COVID is NOT overblown but people pretending like it doesn't matter make this worse than it needs to be.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
#26589131 - 04/09/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I watched that documentary on YouTube, but I'm also leery of the Epoch Times. It's ownership isn't really clear, they incorporate their businesses through non-profit organizations under the Epoch Media Group, and it was founded by a group of folks who either left or were kicked out of China for being part of a religious minority. They've got an interest in making China look bad.
Let me be clear, I believe China is hiding their numbers or something else. That documentary brought up a lot of good points...but it's also coming from a biased source....so you gotta take it all with a grain of salt.
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chutney
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: Thanatos10]
#26589134 - 04/09/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: I pretty sure the common cold is lethal to those without a tolerance to it. COVID is NOT overblown but people pretending like it doesn't matter make this worse than it needs to be.
lolwut
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CookieCrumbs
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: Thanatos10]
#26589159 - 04/09/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said:
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CookieCrumbs said: I mean yeah it's possible the worst is yet to come. That's true of any virus that is very good at replicating itself. It's why that last outbreak of Ebola was so concerning.
But influenza is a very different type of virus. Afaik nothing is faster or better at mutating.
For sure there's reason to be concerned but there's been thousands of pandemics like covid19. There's little to point to it being a Spanish flu.
To Northerners point we live in a much more advanced society. In the early 1900s most people grew up in slums around industrial factories with no environmental standards and with poor nutrition and having already battled numerous illness. Including hook worm and other parasites.
There will undoubtedly be a 2nd wave. We can't count on coronavirus dying down if it's not a seasonal bug like flu. When people get out again it will rise again.
If they don't develop a vaccine or it doesn't die down on it's own it likely will become as regular to us as the common cold. After it infects everyone and kills who it will.
Our tactics are aimed at delay, not victory.
But then this is probably very much like how the common cold started.
I pretty sure the common cold is lethal to those without a tolerance to it. COVID is NOT overblown but people pretending like it doesn't matter make this worse than it needs to be.
Yeah it can be but not many people like that exist. Also... common cold is more than a dozen different viruses. Yeah people are susceptible to some colds and if they're weak enough the common cold can kill them. Common cold is one of the most prominent infectious killers of people with advanced cancer undergoing intensive chemotherapy.
But we've had hundreds of years, if not thousands or millions of years, to build up immunity to what we call "the" common cold.
What I meant was more like when something like Rhinovirus first appeared it probably behaved something very much like this. Killing unpredictably, while well fought off by most. It being recognizable enough that most people's immune systems kick in and take care of it. But it being unfamiliar enough to be lethal to others.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
#26627773 - 04/25/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The data are in. It is just as serious as our annual flu. So, the media and governors have caused a lot of deaths and child molestations
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 1
#26627804 - 04/25/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok maybe the deaths, but the child molelesting? How does that play into the Coronavirus Pandemic of 2020?
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LogicaL Chaos said: Ok maybe the deaths, but the child molelesting? How does that play into the Coronavirus Pandemic of 2020?
Why do you think churches have been pushing for their rights for worship?
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: HamHead] 2
#26627911 - 04/25/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Ok maybe the deaths, but the child molelesting? How does that play into the Coronavirus Pandemic of 2020?
Yeah id really like to hear the rationale behind that.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26628232 - 04/25/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Putin is playing a master KGB chess game on our world right now.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: PumpJackTeX]
#26628236 - 04/25/20 09:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 1
#26628408 - 04/25/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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kikthefreak said: Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous? Considering there is no reliable testing, all the statistics reported are meaningless and could be attributed to other causes especially since many of the deaths are older people with many comorbidities. Not to mention 300,000 people die in China from pneumonia every year normally. Why is there so much panic based on very unreliable testing?
I do agree.
Some years the flu causes 50k deaths+ in the UK - so far this pandemic has killed 20k
Why don't we shut down for the flu every year or care about all the millions who diesof starvation in the world or of car traffic deaths - no one cares about thqat death taht happens every year cuz its not in the media. 
Lockdown is a vain attempt to educate the public into behaviour they shud be in anyway.
Some of it is good, I'm def sick of people with disgusting hygene going about shops invading peoples personal space and contaminating products but
The real; rediculous thing is that 90% of people don't know enough basic biology to understand how they spread shit and create shit.  I'm on a planet full of morons. Its just sad to me - I don't feel superior its just so so sad.
The fact humans are doing nothing to address the route causes of this factory farming and meat markets with poor conditions breed super viruses MEANS that its gonna happen again, I 'm vegetarian yet I have to pay the price for every one elses behaviour so yeah thats pretty shitty to me.
These sick fucks are all cheering the re-opening of mcdonalds its reopened before any of the other services. 
Time to get off grid,
buy land in the country
gtfo
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Shenmue
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: HappySloth]
#26628460 - 04/25/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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HappySloth said:
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kikthefreak said: Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous? Considering there is no reliable testing, all the statistics reported are meaningless and could be attributed to other causes especially since many of the deaths are older people with many comorbidities. Not to mention 300,000 people die in China from pneumonia every year normally. Why is there so much panic based on very unreliable testing?
I do agree.
Some years the flu causes 50k deaths+ in the UK - so far this pandemic has killed 20k
Why don't we shut down for the flu every year or care about all the millions who diesof starvation in the world or of car traffic deaths - no one cares about thqat death taht happens every year cuz its not in the media. 
Lockdown is a vain attempt to educate the public into behaviour they shud be in anyway.
Some of it is good, I'm def sick of people with disgusting hygene going about shops invading peoples personal space and contaminating products but
The real; rediculous thing is that 90% of people don't know enough basic biology to understand how they spread shit and create shit.  I'm on a planet full of morons. Its just sad to me - I don't feel superior its just so so sad.
The fact humans are doing nothing to address the route causes of this factory farming and meat markets with poor conditions breed super viruses MEANS that its gonna happen again, I 'm vegetarian yet I have to pay the price for every one elses behaviour so yeah thats pretty shitty to me.
These sick fucks are all cheering the re-opening of mcdonalds its reopened before any of the other services. 
Time to get off grid,
buy land in the country
gtfo
Yeah blame it on the meat eaters . I'll never stop eating chickens. They're fucking delicious ..
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: Shenmue]
#26628704 - 04/26/20 02:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Chicken is rubbish. Ducks are where it's at.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: HappySloth]
#26628788 - 04/26/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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HappySloth said: Some years the flu causes 50k deaths+ in the UK - so far this pandemic has killed 20k
Imagine the numbers if drastic measures were not taken.
This is the typical bullshit from retards we'll have to deal with for years to come. "See, it weren't that bad all along, they shouldn't have made such a fuss about it." Great, if we hadn't done that, the death toll would have easily been in the millions by now.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koraks]
#26629021 - 04/26/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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koraks said: in the millions by now.
Yet, there are people who believe Rona had been circulating before it was ever known about, infecting millions and yet we still have a death toll comparable to seasonal flu.
If millions would have died, IMHO, we would be seeing those numbers regardless if there were lock down measures or not.
Something to realize is that not everything was shut down, so people were able to go about and mingle, spreading infections diseases on a daily basis, in grocery stores, hardware stores, liquor stores, etc. All activities that spread viruses.
People keep ignoring that those who perish have underlying health issues. A large percentage of people are surviving, well over 90%. If millions would,have died, feel that survival rate would be much, much lower.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: HamHead]
#26629040 - 04/26/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sure, corona was going around a bit before the large scale measures were taken. That doesn't mean many people were already infected at that stage. Recent research here in The Netherlands suggests that by now around 3% of the population have been infected. That's still a tiny fraction. Yet, it was enough to more or less cripple the healthcare system.
The fact that people still mingle does indeed mean that infections still occur. They do. Just a whole lot less than when we mingled more than we do now. It's not a binary thing.
And duh, of course >90% survive. It's in fact a whole lot more. Closer to something like 98.5%, as the death rate (not CFR) seems to be somewhere around 1.5%. That still means it takes only 100 million infections (which is not all that much on a 7 billion population) to reach a death rate of 1.5 million. Predictions have been that for the virus to run its 'natural' course, the end state would be a total infection rate of between 30% and 60% of the population. Hence, would we allow this to run free, you'd have between 2.1 and 4.2 billion infections and 31.5-63 million deaths worldwide. For reference, the Holocaust cost the lives of around 6 million Jews (however, that took the Nazis roughly 3 years to pull that off, while corona could easily manage it within a year). That's 5-10 Holocausts for you if we sat there arguing that shit don't matter anyway, like you're doing.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koraks]
#26629459 - 04/26/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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>millions
From one extreme to the other.
Lets all say something like this,
I admit I do not know how to put this into perspective yet. Ahmen.
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