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InfiniteDreams said: We have been exposed to coronaviruses for thousands of years the same way we have been exposed to influenza viruses for thousands of years. And millions of years is a more accurate metric.
No it's not. Homo sapiens have not existed on earth for millions of years.
The oldest skeletons are like 200,000 years old the last time I checked.
And the most recent common ancestor of all coronaviruses has been placed at around 8000 BCE. source
Thousands of years was more accurate.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: waves]
#26544250 - 03/19/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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And as far as the origin of the virus. In Finland guy who is working in Finnish military was just speaking about this in tv openly. He is working with biowarfare and his opinion was that this virus is man made in lab and not just some coronavirus that jumped species in chinese marketplace. And he is giving this information as representing the goverment not as a civilian.
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Interesting.
How does he know its man-made? How do u tell the difference between a wild strain and a manufactured one?
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: waves]
#26544266 - 03/19/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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InfiniteDreams said: We have been exposed to coronaviruses for thousands of years the same way we have been exposed to influenza viruses for thousands of years. And millions of years is a more accurate metric.
No it's not. Homo sapiens have not existed on earth for millions of years.
The oldest skeletons are like 200,000 years old the last time I checked.
And the most recent common ancestor of all coronaviruses has been placed at around 8000 BCE. source
Thousands of years was more accurate.
Evolution is a gradual process.
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InfiniteDreams said: We have been exposed to coronaviruses for thousands of years the same way we have been exposed to influenza viruses for thousands of years. And millions of years is a more accurate metric.
No it's not. Homo sapiens have not existed on earth for millions of years.
The oldest skeletons are like 200,000 years old the last time I checked.
And the most recent common ancestor of all coronaviruses has been placed at around 8000 BCE. source
Thousands of years was more accurate.
Evolution is a gradual process.
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InfiniteDreams said:
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waves said:
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InfiniteDreams said: We have been exposed to coronaviruses for thousands of years the same way we have been exposed to influenza viruses for thousands of years. And millions of years is a more accurate metric.
No it's not. Homo sapiens have not existed on earth for millions of years.
The oldest skeletons are like 200,000 years old the last time I checked.
And the most recent common ancestor of all coronaviruses has been placed at around 8000 BCE. source
Thousands of years was more accurate.
Evolution is a gradual process.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
#26544414 - 03/19/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koraks said: You keep comparing the flu which we have been exposed to for thousands of years to a virus to which less than 0.1% of the world population has been exposed so far and that already cripples well developed healthcare systems. Acknowledging this isn't sensationalism, it's just facing facts.
Sure, another possible response is to do nothing and sacrifice a part of the population, but the issue is that part of that sacrifice is unnecessary. It's balancing economic motives against human lives. That's always a difficult dilemma.
I'm not blind to the economic impact of our response - far from it. We all experience it every day. But I also acknowledge the part of human nature that refuses to choose cash over lives.
I didn't say do nothing. What the UK is doing is very smart.
Again, we don't know the extent of this virus. Many of the "confirmed" cases reported are based on symptoms which means another coronavirus or respiratory virus could have caused it. We don't know. But all the statistics automatically get attributed to COVID 19 in a very unscientific manner.
Also, I'm not concerned about the money per se. If they stopped this panic lunacy tomorrow and the economy picked up, everything would be mostly fine. If they continue this for months it could cause a big recession which would kill some people and others would be crippled by other illnesses in the long run. The poor disproportionately suffer from both physical and mental health issues.
Even if only 20% of the cases is accurately reported, the problem still is just as big. Fiddling with statistics on your end based on void assumptions doesn't clean out ICU's of patients with ARDS. They are there. They weren't there 6 months ago, or last year during the annual flu wave.
Time will tell if the UK approach is a better option than the Wuhan or SKorean total lockdown or the varioud in-between approaches. And which is better depends mostly on which criteria you use for defining "better".
And no, the disproportionately large wave of seriously afflicted patients cannot be explained by existing coronaviruses or the flu. Otherwise we'd just say the normal load on the healthcare system we see every year. This is gigantic in comparison and even without accurate testing and case definitions statistically traces back to SARS NCoV2 complete certainty. Arguing against that is just a matter of ignorance or an unwillingness to face facts on your end. Go ahead with that if you want, but you're not convincing me of anything but your lack of ability to think straight.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koraks]
#26544644 - 03/19/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koraks said: You keep comparing the flu which we have been exposed to for thousands of years to a virus to which less than 0.1% of the world population has been exposed so far and that already cripples well developed healthcare systems. Acknowledging this isn't sensationalism, it's just facing facts.
Sure, another possible response is to do nothing and sacrifice a part of the population, but the issue is that part of that sacrifice is unnecessary. It's balancing economic motives against human lives. That's always a difficult dilemma.
I'm not blind to the economic impact of our response - far from it. We all experience it every day. But I also acknowledge the part of human nature that refuses to choose cash over lives.
I didn't say do nothing. What the UK is doing is very smart.
Again, we don't know the extent of this virus. Many of the "confirmed" cases reported are based on symptoms which means another coronavirus or respiratory virus could have caused it. We don't know. But all the statistics automatically get attributed to COVID 19 in a very unscientific manner.
Also, I'm not concerned about the money per se. If they stopped this panic lunacy tomorrow and the economy picked up, everything would be mostly fine. If they continue this for months it could cause a big recession which would kill some people and others would be crippled by other illnesses in the long run. The poor disproportionately suffer from both physical and mental health issues.
Even if only 20% of the cases is accurately reported, the problem still is just as big. Fiddling with statistics on your end based on void assumptions doesn't clean out ICU's of patients with ARDS. They are there. They weren't there 6 months ago, or last year during the annual flu wave.
Time will tell if the UK approach is a better option than the Wuhan or SKorean total lockdown or the varioud in-between approaches. And which is better depends mostly on which criteria you use for defining "better".
And no, the disproportionately large wave of seriously afflicted patients cannot be explained by existing coronaviruses or the flu. Otherwise we'd just say the normal load on the healthcare system we see every year. This is gigantic in comparison and even without accurate testing and case definitions statistically traces back to SARS NCoV2 complete certainty. Arguing against that is just a matter of ignorance or an unwillingness to face facts on your end. Go ahead with that if you want, but you're not convincing me of anything but your lack of ability to think straight.
Yes, people die of respiratory diseases from either coronaviruses or the flu viruses or from pneumonia all the time. 300,000 a year in China alone. Nobody seems to care until all the media outlets shout "panic!".
You also have to keep in mind that different countries likely have different mutations. Italy appears to have a more deadly one. But no, most country's healthcare systems are running fine. One problem however is that many needed surgeries and other needed medical care are being delayed because of this overwhelming fear.
To answer your question, I'm defining "better" as the best health outcomes for the majority of people both in the short and long term.
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#26544676 - 03/19/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koraks said: >And we agree that what we are seeing is on par to what you normally see during flu season. No, we don't agree. My sister is a doctor in a nursing home. What's happening there is in no way normal for a typical flu season. Not at all.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?
Comparison to the flu is absurd unless it’s the Spanish flu but even then covid-19 is worse
How is the flu not worse? It literally kills 100 to 200 times more people... What the hell?!
dude, this COVID19 pandemic is JUST STARTING IN AMERICA. We are in the EARLY STAGES. The worst is yet to come. You are being impatient and unreasonable. After this pandemic is over please report back to us the numbers between the flu and COVID19.
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Overblownorivirus?
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
#26544698 - 03/19/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Overblown coronavirus???
If you're sitting in the bus and someone with Corona exhales on the opposite side, chances are it will blow over to you.
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Overblown: when there is a line of 6 bears queued up to suck your dick and they all want something to show for their effort. By the end of that you are overblown.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 1
#26544711 - 03/19/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here's the thing...the data on deaths of flu and pneumonia are not great and a pediatrician from California called out the CDC years ago on this in a "Request for Correction" https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc
"Typically, influenza causes death when the infection leads to severe medical complications." And as most such cases "are never tested for virus infection...CDC considers these [NCHS] figures to be a very substantial undercounting of the true number of deaths from influenza. Therefore, the CDC uses indirect modelling methods to estimate the number of deaths associated with influenza."
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#26544718 - 03/19/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koraks said: >And we agree that what we are seeing is on par to what you normally see during flu season. No, we don't agree. My sister is a doctor in a nursing home. What's happening there is in no way normal for a typical flu season. Not at all.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?
Comparison to the flu is absurd unless it’s the Spanish flu but even then covid-19 is worse
How is the flu not worse? It literally kills 100 to 200 times more people... What the hell?!
dude, this COVID19 pandemic is JUST STARTING IN AMERICA. We are in the EARLY STAGES. The worst is yet to come. You are being impatient and unreasonable. After this pandemic is over please report back to us the numbers between the flu and COVID19.
Yes sir. I also want you to report the numbers after this is over or at the end of the year.
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#26544813 - 03/19/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you literally incapable of projecting what is happening into the future? Do you not understand that in a month there will be 10x as many covid-19 deaths than the flu?
Even Donald trump gets it now and he’s one of the dumbest motherfuckers on earth.
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#26544824 - 03/19/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: Are you literally incapable of projecting what is happening into the future? Do you not understand that in a month there will be 10x as many covid-19 deaths than the flu?
Even Donald trump gets it now and he’s one of the dumbest motherfuckers on earth.
Yea but the flu
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#26544868 - 03/19/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: Are you literally incapable of projecting what is happening into the future? Do you not understand that in a month there will be 10x as many covid-19 deaths than the flu?
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: PumpJackTeX]
#26544907 - 03/19/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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InfiniteDreams said: Evolution is a gradual process.
Let me elaborate. And, yes, waves is correct specific to coronavirus, it is traced to when he indicated. And specific to homo sapiens have only been around since he indicated. But that misses the entire point.
Viral infection is not unique to homo sapiens.
The evolutionary history of humanity is much longer, and we have dealt with infectious disease that entire time.
Every disease that arises is novel when it first arises. Diseases are evolving themselves.
What is going on now is nothing new. This is not the end times.
One thing that may have prevented pandemics in the past is that if humanity was contained to nomadic tribes, "social distancing" was a way of life. If disease wiped out one tribe it wouldn't necessarily be spread to other tribes. The advent of cities changed all that.
No one likes disease. It still doesn't explain what is going on.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koods]
#26544909 - 03/19/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: Are you literally incapable of projecting what is happening into the future? Do you not understand that in a month there will be 10x as many covid-19 deaths than the flu?
Even Donald trump gets it now and he’s one of the dumbest motherfuckers on earth.
Boy is his face gonna be red when the second wave of infection comes...
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