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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #26542663 - 03/18/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 1
    #26542838 - 03/18/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

>And we agree that what we are seeing is on par to what you normally see during flu season.
No, we don't agree. My sister is a doctor in a nursing home. What's happening there is in no way normal for a typical flu season. Not at all.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koraks]
    #26542954 - 03/18/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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>And we agree that what we are seeing is on par to what you normally see during flu season.
No, we don't agree. My sister is a doctor in a nursing home. What's happening there is in no way normal for a typical flu season. Not at all.




https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #26543035 - 03/18/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #26543058 - 03/18/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Its not the "numbers" as much as it is the "intensity"


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #26543107 - 03/18/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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koraks said:
>And we agree that what we are seeing is on par to what you normally see during flu season.
No, we don't agree. My sister is a doctor in a nursing home. What's happening there is in no way normal for a typical flu season. Not at all.




https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?




Comparison to the flu is absurd unless it’s the Spanish flu but even then covid-19 is worse


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koods]
    #26543599 - 03/18/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #26543729 - 03/19/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?



I disagree. Because coronavirus comes on top of the existing flu and it affects a larger part of the population more severely.

Why are you so bent on trying to marginalize this situation?


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koraks] * 2
    #26543739 - 03/19/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koraks] * 1
    #26544032 - 03/19/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?



I disagree. Because coronavirus comes on top of the existing flu and it affects a larger part of the population more severely.

Why are you so bent on trying to marginalize this situation?




I'm being rational which apparently is frowned upon. The reaction in any situation should be in proportion to the threat. Look at real data to determine the threat instead of news headlines.

Why are you so bent on sensatiolizing this and creating panic? Why are you bent on destroying people's jobs and lives in the long run over something that kills a tiny fraction of what the flu does?


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koods]
    #26544036 - 03/19/20 07:17 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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koraks said:
>And we agree that what we are seeing is on par to what you normally see during flu season.
No, we don't agree. My sister is a doctor in a nursing home. What's happening there is in no way normal for a typical flu season. Not at all.




https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?




Comparison to the flu is absurd unless it’s the Spanish flu but even then covid-19 is worse




How is the flu not worse? It literally kills 100 to 200 times more people... What the hell?!


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 1
    #26544054 - 03/19/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's not worse because most people already have some level of immunity to the flu.

We don't have any immunity to this new coronavirus.

You can stop citing the number of flu deaths as if that somehow matters—it doesn't.

This new virus just showed up a couple months ago, flu has been around much longer.

Obviously more people have died from flu, but that doesn't mean it's more deadly.

It just means it has been around longer.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: waves] * 1
    #26544064 - 03/19/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I read an artricle about how some people are simply not mentally capable of understanding exponential growth. I think this explains Kiks attitude


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
    #26544066 - 03/19/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, thats a lot of deaths from the flu. However, with ANY novel virus, you should fear them more than the common flu. The reason is that the risk of the novel virus is undiscovered, therefore could be more deadly than the flu.

Millions of people get the flu every year and have not died. Its so common place that for healthy individuals its not really a big deal. But with the Coronavirus, its a new (novel) virus therefore it spreads easily and effectively and the health risks associated with it are not well known.

The fear here is the unknown. Thats whats scary. Humanity has dealt with the flu for ages but this is the first time dealing with this Coronavirus. And a disease with unknown properties is a scary thought.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #26544188 - 03/19/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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koraks said:
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kikthefreak said:
These flu numbers are more worrisome. Do you disagree?



I disagree. Because coronavirus comes on top of the existing flu and it affects a larger part of the population more severely.

Why are you so bent on trying to marginalize this situation?




I'm being rational which apparently is frowned upon. The reaction in any situation should be in proportion to the threat. Look at real data to determine the threat instead of news headlines.

Why are you so bent on sensatiolizing this and creating panic? Why are you bent on destroying people's jobs and lives in the long run over something that kills a tiny fraction of what the flu does?
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Yes, thats a lot of deaths from the flu. However, with ANY novel virus, you should fear them more than the common flu. The reason is that the risk of the novel virus is undiscovered, therefore could be more deadly than the flu.

Millions of people get the flu every year and have not died. Its so common place that for healthy individuals its not really a big deal. But with the Coronavirus, its a new (novel) virus therefore it spreads easily and effectively and the health risks associated with it are not well known.

The fear here is the unknown. Thats whats scary. Humanity has dealt with the flu for ages but this is the first time dealing with this Coronavirus. And a disease with unknown properties is a scary thought.




Guys, every year there are several new flu virus strains. This is why so many people die year after year. (61,000 died 2 flu seasons ago, just in the US) The flu mutates and vaccines for different strains must be created every year.

There are hundreds of types of coronaviruses as well. They also mutate and thus there are new strains. This particular coronavirus (COVID 19), is relatively weak compared to much more dangerous flu strains. With this coronavirus, 80% of the people that get it exhibit no or mild symptoms, some have moderate symptoms and a small percentage have severe symptoms. The ones at risk are the ones with compromised immune systems (the elderly, sick, etc.)

The UK actually is responding intelligently instead of running around panicking. They are isolating the vulnerable population while everyone else goes to work or business as usual. If they get symptoms, then they stay home. Over time herd immunity builds and more importantly you don't destroy an entire economy, devastating people's livelihood and health in the process.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] * 2
    #26544205 - 03/19/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid:

So coronavirus is new, but the flu isn't?

COVID-19 is a novel strain of coronavirus.
Each year we see novel strains of influenza.

The major difference is we have vaccination capability with the flu and can get lucky in predictions to get ahead of it.  Until now we haven't had any vaccinations for coronaviruses, so we haven't gotten ahead of any of them from an immunization perspective.


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    #26544208 - 03/19/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You keep comparing the flu which we have been exposed to for thousands of years to a virus to which less than 0.1% of the world population has been exposed so far and that already cripples well developed healthcare systems. Acknowledging this isn't sensationalism, it's just facing facts.

Sure, another possible response is to do nothing and sacrifice a part of the population, but the issue is that part of that sacrifice is unnecessary. It's balancing economic motives against human lives. That's always a difficult dilemma.

I'm not blind to the economic impact of our response - far from it. We all experience it every day. But I also acknowledge the part of human nature that refuses to choose cash over lives.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koraks]
    #26544213 - 03/19/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

We have been exposed to coronaviruses for thousands of years the same way we have been exposed to influenza viruses for thousands of years.  And millions of years is a more accurate metric.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: InfiniteDreams] * 1
    #26544220 - 03/19/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Guys: Most of the influenza going around are descendants of the Spanish Flu.

The big scare with Flu is when a novel kind of Flu just crossed the species barrier from animals to humans.

Seasonal flu doesn't.

Swine flu did. pow! crisis!
Avian flu does. Pow! crisis!


NOVEL CORONA VIRUS HAS JUST JUMPED THE SPECIES BARRIER TO HUMANS, NO IMMUNITY EXISTS, ITS EXTREMELY CONTAGIOUS, HAS VARIOUS WORRISOME PARAMETERS AND HAS BEEN DECLARED A PANDEMIC.


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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koraks] * 1
    #26544230 - 03/19/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You keep comparing the flu which we have been exposed to for thousands of years to a virus to which less than 0.1% of the world population has been exposed so far and that already cripples well developed healthcare systems. Acknowledging this isn't sensationalism, it's just facing facts.

Sure, another possible response is to do nothing and sacrifice a part of the population, but the issue is that part of that sacrifice is unnecessary. It's balancing economic motives against human lives. That's always a difficult dilemma.

I'm not blind to the economic impact of our response - far from it. We all experience it every day. But I also acknowledge the part of human nature that refuses to choose cash over lives.




I didn't say do nothing. What the UK is doing is very smart.

Again, we don't know the extent of this virus. Many of the "confirmed" cases reported are based on symptoms which means another coronavirus or respiratory virus could have caused it. We don't know. But all the statistics automatically get attributed to COVID 19 in a very unscientific manner.

Also, I'm not concerned about the money per se. If they stopped this panic lunacy tomorrow and the economy picked up, everything would be mostly fine. If they continue this for months it could cause a big recession which would kill some people and others would be crippled by other illnesses in the long run. The poor disproportionately suffer from both physical and mental health issues.


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