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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
#26540642 - 03/17/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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kikthefreak said: The fear of the virus ap If you have older/immune comprised friends/family the advice is the normal advice...eat right, exercise, meditate, etc.
No, the advice from people who actually know what they're talking about is for everyone to practice social distancing and stay the fuck home for awhile.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 2
#26540648 - 03/17/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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kikthefreak said: The fear of the virus appears to be much more deadly.
Yeah, apparently most of the deaths so far have actually been caused by fear, not the virus itself.
I was talking to somebody at work about the virus, and they started freaking out.
They just keeled over and died right there. The virus didn't even have a chance to infect them, the fear was so powerful.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: waves] 2
#26540660 - 03/17/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Primal Matter said: I don't fear the virus and I'm still alive.
Well, looks like we've settled it then.
Somebody phone the WHO and let them know that we've made a breakthrough—it's the fear that is killing people, not the virus!
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#26540678 - 03/17/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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There is nothing to fear but fear itself!
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#26540681 - 03/17/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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kikthefreak said: The fear of the virus appears to be much more deadly. If you have older/immune comprised friends/family the advice is the normal advice...eat right, exercise, meditate, etc.
I'm currently looking into getting a meditation circle started in my town to fight the virus.
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#26540684 - 03/17/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
#26540690 - 03/17/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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kikthefreak said: Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous? Considering there is no reliable testing, all the statistics reported are meaningless and could be attributed to other causes especially since many of the deaths are older people with many comorbidities. Not to mention 300,000 people die in China from pneumonia every year normally. Why is there so much panic based on very unreliable testing?
No not at all. Forget that in terms of facts and evidence the regular flu kills 10x - 30x the amount of people every year that corona virus has. Panic is the number 1 way to keep yourself from being hurt. Go to the store and buy all the toilet paper and rubbing alcohol you can, quit your job and lock yourself in somewhere for a few months and pray to god that he gives a fuck about you. Real talk.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koraks]
#26540723 - 03/17/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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kikthefreak said: Is the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.
Oh good. That means those people on life support with ARDS are just false positives with a panic attack. Better take them off, clean out those ICU's and all go home.
Could be a panic attack or some other virus/bacteria. Who knows? Nobody apparently
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 2
#26540728 - 03/17/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You apparently know better than the experts who seem to think the available tests work well enough to be useful though. I wonder who's right?
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: imachavel]
#26540734 - 03/17/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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s the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.
The system is overrun because there are more people who require ventilators and a full compliment of staff than are available. I have no idea why you think the tests are not accurate. It’s a pretty standard and reliable procedure that been around for 20 years. 🤷♂️
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 1
#26540735 - 03/17/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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kikthefreak said: Is the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.
Oh good. That means those people on life support with ARDS are just false positives with a panic attack. Better take them off, clean out those ICU's and all go home.
Could be a panic attack or some other virus/bacteria. Who knows? Nobody apparently
Are you serious?
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#26540738 - 03/17/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry everyone it wasn’t a virus. Just panic attacks.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koods] 1
#26540743 - 03/17/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You wouldn't believe how easy it is for a trained medical professional to confuse the two.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 2
#26540744 - 03/17/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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kikthefreak said: Is the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.
Oh good. That means those people on life support with ARDS are just false positives with a panic attack. Better take them off, clean out those ICU's and all go home.
Could be a panic attack or some other virus/bacteria. Who knows? Nobody apparently
Well, can't argue with uninformed. Keep on trucking while others think straight.
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: waves]
#26540745 - 03/17/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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waves said:
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kikthefreak said: The fear of the virus appears to be much more deadly.
Yeah, apparently most of the deaths so far have actually been caused by fear, not the virus itself.
I was talking to somebody at work about the virus, and they started freaking out.
They just keeled over and died right there. The virus didn't even have a chance to infect them, the fear was so powerful.

The nocebo effect is definitely real. But again people can be getting sick from other viruses or bacteria...
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#26540748 - 03/17/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: Asante]
#26540761 - 03/17/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said: Asante --> <--kikthefreak
Lol. Good one!
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Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 6
#26540843 - 03/17/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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kikthefreak said: I am asking a question. You provide me with a source that has verified the accuracy of the testing. I can't find one.
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=228250 https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/pdf/10.1148/radiol.2020200642
According to these articles, they use a combination of CT Scans and "RT-PCR" testing. The RT-PCR testing looks at the DNA of the virus itself. Out of 167 sampled people in China, the tests only missed 5 patients, or 3%. They're stating, and this is true regardless of what you're testing for, that if the samples are handled improperly, they can produce false results. Also, some folks were tested too early and did not produce virus in the samples to be tested.
The US Tests had faulty regeants. The CDC admitted this error and corrected it.
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kikthefreak said: I am asking a question. You provide me with a source that has verified the accuracy of the testing. I can't find one.
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=228250 https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/pdf/10.1148/radiol.2020200642
According to these articles, they use a combination of CT Scans and "RT-PCR" testing. The RT-PCR testing looks at the DNA of the virus itself. Out of 167 sampled people in China, the tests only missed 5 patients, or 3%. They're stating, and this is true regardless of what you're testing for, that if the samples are handled improperly, they can produce false results. Also, some folks were tested too early and did not produce virus in the samples to be tested.
The US Tests had faulty regeants. The CDC admitted this error and corrected it.
Very strange that that article didn't address false positives as well. The PCR testing can go wrong when it duplicates other DNA or RNA from other viruses/bacteria instead of the coronavirus. Also, the test is not considered positive until a certain amount of duplication is reached which means the length of time can be varied to achieve whatever result you want.
The CT diagnosing might be even more problematic in a country with terrible pollution and where's a third of a million people die every year from pnemonia. They look for shadowing in the lungs, which technically can also be present in a healthy person. It is very very problematic to then attribute these deaths to the coronavirus when nobody actually knows if it was the culprit.
Oh and there's the changing criteria of what is considered a confirmed case and the fact that different countries use slightly different PCR testing...
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