|
kikthefreak
Being



Registered: 05/18/13
Posts: 60
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
|
Overblown coronavirus??? 1
#26540496 - 03/17/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous? Considering there is no reliable testing, all the statistics reported are meaningless and could be attributed to other causes especially since many of the deaths are older people with many comorbidities. Not to mention 300,000 people die in China from pneumonia every year normally. Why is there so much panic based on very unreliable testing?
-------------------- “If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. If you are at peace you are living in the present.” ― Lao Tzu
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,049
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 4 hours, 17 minutes
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
#26540500 - 03/17/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
What unreliable testing? You have a source for that claim?
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
Asante
Mage


Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 1
#26540502 - 03/17/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
kikthefreak said: Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous?
No. There were at first but at this point it's just you.
-------------------- Omnicyclion.org higher knowledge starts here
|
sh4d0ws
LSx


Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 12,086
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 7
#26540505 - 03/17/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
who said there is no reliable testing?
I believe they are not doing enough testing, but this surely is not overblown dude. What is happening in Italy may surely happen in the USA and Canada and completely overwhelm our medical systems causing mass casualties in older citizens and people with health conditions.
This is NOT the flu. This is NOT overblown. This is SERIOUS. Do your part to help control the spread by following lockdowns and being mindful about where you are going, what you touch, wash your hands often.
This is not a drill
|
feevers


Registered: 12/28/10
Posts: 8,546
Loc:
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: Asante]
#26540516 - 03/17/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Asante said:
Quote:
kikthefreak said: Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous?
No. There were at first but at this point it's just you.

Definitely not just him.
Loads of people do not understand the situation and/or are unwilling to make changes in their routine to possibly save lives.
|
Asante
Mage


Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: feevers]
#26540529 - 03/17/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Most people have not made it in the green.

Shroomerites had the advantage of having the superb stickied Corona thread going since January.
-------------------- Omnicyclion.org higher knowledge starts here
|
kikthefreak
Being



Registered: 05/18/13
Posts: 60
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: koods] 1
#26540560 - 03/17/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I am asking a question. You provide me with a source that has verified the accuracy of the testing. I can't find one.
-------------------- “If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. If you are at peace you are living in the present.” ― Lao Tzu
|
kikthefreak
Being



Registered: 05/18/13
Posts: 60
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: sh4d0ws] 1
#26540565 - 03/17/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
sh4d0ws said: who said there is no reliable testing?
I believe they are not doing enough testing, but this surely is not overblown dude. What is happening in Italy may surely happen in the USA and Canada and completely overwhelm our medical systems causing mass casualties in older citizens and people with health conditions.
This is NOT the flu. This is NOT overblown. This is SERIOUS. Do your part to help control the spread by following lockdowns and being mindful about where you are going, what you touch, wash your hands often.
This is not a drill
Show me where the accuracy of the testing has been verified please.
-------------------- “If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. If you are at peace you are living in the present.” ― Lao Tzu
|
Asante
Mage


Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 6
#26540570 - 03/17/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Kik, the Italian healthcare system is overrun with people dying everywhere, the hospitals are spilling over with people with pneumonia who all need ventilators and all test positive with the same trajectory of illness.
The test is completely correlated to the emerging syndrome, you're being edgy.
-------------------- Omnicyclion.org higher knowledge starts here
|
psi
TOAST N' JAM


Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 1
#26540575 - 03/17/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
What exactly could it be verified against?
|
kikthefreak
Being



Registered: 05/18/13
Posts: 60
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: feevers] 1
#26540576 - 03/17/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
feevers said:
Quote:
Asante said:
Quote:
kikthefreak said: Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous?
No. There were at first but at this point it's just you.

Definitely not just him.
Loads of people do not understand the situation and/or are unwilling to make changes in their routine to possibly save lives.
Why is taking a rational approach so frowned upon. So weird... Shouldn't we have an accurate test before determining if someone has the virus or not. Do some research on the test they use, PCR, and then get back to me. It's a very problematic tests for many reasons.
-------------------- “If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. If you are at peace you are living in the present.” ― Lao Tzu
|
psi
TOAST N' JAM


Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
#26540578 - 03/17/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
kikthefreak said: It's a very problematic tests for many reasons.
Go on...
|
InfiniteDreams


Registered: 10/25/19
Posts: 1,224
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: psi] 3
#26540584 - 03/17/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Most of the negative effects people are currently suffering are due directly from other people's behavior, not directly from any virus.
|
kikthefreak
Being



Registered: 05/18/13
Posts: 60
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: Asante] 1
#26540589 - 03/17/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
feevers said:
Quote:
Asante said:
Quote:
kikthefreak said: Does anyone else think that the current coronavirus situation is overblown and kind of ridiculous?
No. There were at first but at this point it's just you.

Definitely not just him.
Loads of people do not understand the situation and/or are unwilling to make changes in their routine to possibly save lives.
Why is taking a rational approach so frowned upon. So weird... Shouldn't we have an accurate test before determining if someone has the virus or not. Do some research on the test they use, PCR, and then get back to me. It's a very problematic tests for many reasons.Quote:
Asante said: Kik, the Italian healthcare system is overrun with people dying everywhere, the hospitals are spilling over with people with pneumonia who all need ventilators and all test positive with the same trajectory of illness.
The test is completely correlated to the emerging syndrome, you're being edgy.
Is the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.
If what youre saying is true, then at the end of this year we should see a significant increase in the number of annual deaths. Guess we'll wait and see
-------------------- “If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. If you are at peace you are living in the present.” ― Lao Tzu
|
kitten6
hiker


Registered: 05/13/19
Posts: 96
Loc: UK 0161
Last seen: 14 hours, 23 minutes
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
#26540596 - 03/17/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
yes very overblown did we make such a fuss with swine flu I don't think so, and that was much more deadly
|
feevers


Registered: 12/28/10
Posts: 8,546
Loc:
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 4
#26540607 - 03/17/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Perfect is the enemy of good, and PCR is plenty good
Even if there was no test, just looking at how it affected italy and china is a clear indicator that a drastic response is necessary if we want to prevent mass casualties and overloading our medical system
Anyone saying it's overblown must not have any 60+ aged or immuno-compromised people in their lives. If we don't slow it and get on top of it they'll be dying in hallways instead of receiving treatments, as will people with many other health issues once the beds are all taken and staff is all overrun.
|
kikthefreak
Being



Registered: 05/18/13
Posts: 60
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: feevers]
#26540621 - 03/17/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
feevers said: Perfect is the enemy of good, and PCR is plenty good
Even if there was no test, just looking at how it affected italy and china is a clear indicator that a drastic response is necessary if we want to prevent mass casualties and overloading our medical system
Anyone saying it's overblown must not have any 60+ aged or immuno-compromised people in their lives. If we don't slow it and get on top of it they'll be dying in hallways instead of receiving treatments, as will people with many other health issues once the beds are all taken and staff is all overrun.
PCR has false positives and false negatives...a significant amount of them. And when you are testing a large population even a small margin of error is problematic. Countries are reporting numbers based on this bad test which creates panic in other countries. The fear of the virus appears to be much more deadly. If you have older/immune comprised friends/family the advice is the normal advice...eat right, exercise, meditate, etc.
-------------------- “If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. If you are at peace you are living in the present.” ― Lao Tzu
|
living_failure
unworthy



Registered: 06/13/19
Posts: 352
Loc: spain, madrid
Last seen: 3 years, 8 months
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 4
#26540629 - 03/17/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Our hospitals are collapsed.
My mother have COPD and that means she needs to be as isolated as she can. If she gets it, she dies.
My best friend mother just had her tits removed because cancer and she is in even worse situation.
Those are 2 deaths that if we ignored coronavirus would happen in my close social circle.
I had a bad case of i dont know the english word, bronquitis? for about a month now, with sinusitis and opportunistic gastroenteritis. Some days i have up to 39 fever. It might be corona, or it might be another thing, if it is corona, it is indeed kinda bad, ive lost 7 kilos already (bye bye gym gains), and i'm not sure if this shit is getting worse or better. If it is not corona, and i get corona i will get another neumonia.
|
Asante
Mage


Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak]
#26540630 - 03/17/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
kikthefreak said:
Is the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.
Are all the ventilators in the country and all the expanded ICU units right up to tents in the parking lot occupied by very ill patients or by people who are afraid of a non existent health threat.
"Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all."
Its evidenced by the evidence. Even if there was no test.
-------------------- Omnicyclion.org higher knowledge starts here
|
koraks
Registered: 06/02/03
Posts: 26,670
|
Re: Overblown coronavirus??? [Re: kikthefreak] 5
#26540638 - 03/17/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
kikthefreak said: Is the system overrun because of the virus or because of the fear of the virus? Can't answer this without an accurate test...that's all.
Oh good. That means those people on life support with ARDS are just false positives with a panic attack. Better take them off, clean out those ICU's and all go home.
|
|