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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26538331 - 03/16/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hey everyone! Hope you're all having a great day. Anyway, as a sort of thank you to all of you for helping me, I want to give you something funny and you should feel free to mock me mercilessly about. Since one or two said on a few occasions, that I am overthinking a lot of this, I am here to offer proof.

First, see the picture below. LMAO I am so anal about this grow that if you look carefully, you'll see that all 24 jars are spread out on my kitchen table so that the 6500 FFL light that shines on it 12 hours every day is able to shine on the glass part of all my jars. I moved them in such a way that ever single jar is completely out of the shadow of every single other jar.

And that's not all! I can't always do it, but when I'm home, during the 12 hour lights on period, I rotate all 24 jars counter clockwise by about 1/4 turn so ALL sides get full light from the lamp for about three hours each. Anyway, like I said, hahaha have fun and feel free to mock.

Its the least I can do.



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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26538444 - 03/16/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, rotating jars for proper light exposure during colonization? Next level :mindblown:

Looking good from here. Lots of white spots i see. Nice work LSA! You have learned well :yesnod:


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    #26539342 - 03/16/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I want to know how 180 your gonna get from having a mind blowing experience and everything in your life goes from super organized to ehh fuck it.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26539374 - 03/16/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Wow, rotating jars for proper light exposure during colonization? Next level :mindblown:




I wasn't 100% sure that was even a good idea, but I figured it would be worth a shot to try and maximize colonization a tad.

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Looking good from here. Lots of white spots i see. Nice work LSA! You
have learned well :yesnod:




Great to know! I will say there's a lot more variety in how my jars seem to be colonizing, with regard to many jars being at dramatically different points in the process to one another. I will probably ask more about this as the time gets closer to birthing the cakes, but I have the feeling that I may have to stagger the birthing into the SGFC. Because the disparity between jars at different stages seems to my untrained eye to be such that I can't imagine all 24 jars will be ready at the same time. Again, though, I'm sure I will be revisiting this over the next couple of weeks.

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I want to know how 180 your gonna get from having a mind blowing experience and everything in your life goes from super organized to ehh fuck it.




I'm not sure what makes you think my life is super-organized right now. Suffice it to say, when something or some project is heavily dependent upon science and attention to detail, I do try and up my game so as to leave as little to chance as possible. Knowing as little as I do about growing shrooms, it seems only reasonable to approach it with the humility to meticulously follow the steps and procedures as much as I possibly can. Without questioning the validity of any of the steps.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26539505 - 03/16/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

We admire your attention to detail. That's all I'm saying. Cubes are so easy to grow that they are by nature set and forget. I have enjoyed watching your journey and it has reminded me of my first grow, but after that first grow I think alot of the exact science went out the window and I felt free to play with
Some stuff.  Lighting fruiting and overall attention to detail. Which can cause lots of problems if you have a need to produce fruits, but I digresss...

Enjoy the ride is all I'm saying


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26539708 - 03/16/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I enjoyed reading through this.  I'm also a noob, although I tried to do a PF grow several years ago.  I actually tried twice, the first time the jars did not grow anything, the second time some did, but they ended up becoming irredeemably contaminated once they were fruited.  I was dealing with a lot of challenges that you aren't, and which I am not currently dealing with so I'm optimistic that I am going to have a better experience this time.

I actually started reading the thread hoping to learn stuff to cultivate myself, but, since I am planning on doing agar to grain most of the advice was no use to me.  I still am enjoying seeing your journey.

I think the one thing that you are doing the most right is picking what you are set on and staying set on it.  I don't think PF cakes are the best choice, but I do think that making that choice and sticking with it is the right thing to do, rather than waffling back and forth or trying to do some sort of hybrid thing.  Good for you for politely rebuffing those who suggest you work with agar.  I don't know if you are commited to a SGFC but I kind of assume you are, since that is what RR walks people through.  If so good for you, rock that thing, and don't let the people telling you to use shoeboxes or monotubs discourage you. 

You ask about moving the jars a bit and I have seen people warn against that.  Nobody has done so yet in this thread, and like I said, I am a noob myself, but I wanted to chime in that I have seen warnings against moving jars more than you need to, as that can disturb the mycelium.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26539881 - 03/17/20 03:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So what's the verdict?  Is lighting during colonization helping?


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26539989 - 03/17/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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We admire your attention to detail. That's all I'm saying.




Thanks for the incredible encouragement. Not just now, but throughout this thread. If it weren't for guys like you, Randalf, and many others, I would likely have given up waaaay back on page 1 or 2 of this thread.

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Cubes are so easy to grow that they are by nature set and forget.




So far, in my journey, this is what I have been seeing. Regardless of my success or failure in this first n00b grow, which will manifest I'm sure in the next 3+ week, I think its safe to say that I'm a convert! Even if the worst happens and I lose all inoculated jars to mold, which I seriously doubt of course, I have all the gear I need, and all I have to do is sterilize the jars to kill the mold, clean them out, order some more MS from **cough***un-named***cough***Spores site sponsor**cough and start all over again. I have plenty of BRF for another two grows and probably even enough Verm to start all over again, for one grow .

But I am confident that, thanks to all of you, this is going to be a wildly successful grow!

Is it totally insane that during this 3-6 week watch-and-wait colonization phase that I'm already scheming and planning my NEXT shroom grow?


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I have enjoyed watching your journey and it has reminded me of my first grow, but after that first grow I think alot of the exact science went out the window and I felt free to play with
Some stuff.




I totally agree! I am an experienced guitarist. I play in only Jam Bands, and my current project, (I removed name of band), is a Dead cover band. What you're saying can be equated to music. You don't just pick up a guitar for the first time and start improvising. You have to learn a great deal about music, scales, chord structure, phrasing, finger exercises, and music theory. It took me over 6 months as an early teen to be able to improvise, and I mean at the most basic, un-evolved way. 

How I equate this to your point is that I can improvise like a Mofo on guitar. But before I could do that, I did basically what experienced players told me to do, without questioning. Kind of like I'm doing now. I am NOT anywhere near ready to improvise or throw science out the window, as someone with your experience can easily and readily do. I'm not there yet, and don't expect to be until I have at least 3-4 successful grows under my belt. I will most likely do at least one more PF Tek grow after this one, just to make sure I totally have it.

Then, assuming that both my 2 PF Tek grows go well, including this one, I will try another tek at all of your suggestions. I have read great things about Bulk, Shoebox, etc.

Plus I REALLY and desperately want to try Penis Envy. Eventually. I'm not even close to being ready for that, though. lol


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Lighting fruiting and overall attention to detail. Which can cause lots of problems if you have a need to produce fruits,
but I digresss...




I'm sorry, can you please clarify this statement, particularly the part I underlined? I'm not sure what you mean by this.

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Enjoy the ride is all I'm saying




Thanks to folks like you, I already am! :mushroom2:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26539998 - 03/17/20 05:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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So what's the verdict?  Is lighting during colonization helping?




Wait for someone more experienced and a lot more knowledgeable than me to answer. But my understanding is that the old school admonishment to grow mushrooms in complete darkness during colonization is outdated and many have told me is false. If you read back through this thread, some very learned people on this subject have told me that lighting is fine. I extrapolated that using a 5000 to 6500K CFL light, 12 hours on and 12 hours off every day, which is what you're supposed to do during fruiting,  would also be best for colonization. Again, though wait for others who know a lot more than me to answer.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Babylon]
    #26540018 - 03/17/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I enjoyed reading through this.  I'm also a noob, although I tried to do a PF grow several years ago.  I actually tried twice, the first time the jars did not grow anything, the second time some did, but they ended up becoming irredeemably contaminated once they were fruited.  I was dealing with a lot of challenges that you aren't, and which I am not currently dealing with so I'm optimistic that I am going to have a better experience this time.




Are you going to try again? If so, the people who are answering me and helping me are immeasurably valuable. Also, if you haven't heard of it, then please, please, please check out all four of RogerRabbit's videos! I was literally on the threshold of giving up a few weeks ago, because reading about the Tek, even simpler PF Tek posts, made my head spin! When I watched those videos, it was truly like a light bulb going off and I really knew I could do it.

[Here] is the page with his instructions and, more importantly, his videos. Just in case you don't have it.

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Babylon said:I actually started reading the thread hoping to learn stuff to cultivate myself, but, since I am planning on doing agar to grain most of the advice was no use to me.  I still am enjoying seeing your journey.




Thanks, brother. Its really quite a ride so far!

Here's the thing. Thanks to some very Anal/OCD questions by yours truly, and the incredibly knowledgeable people giving amazing answers, I think this thread has turned out to be arguably the single best "non resource" thread in the Mushroom Cultivation Forum. When I say "non resource" threads, I am basically talking about n00b threads, NOT the real meat and potatoes threads like these:

Getting Started
Updated Pf Tek Guide
SAB Thread
List of Site Sponsors - I Highly Recommend sporeworks.com
Avoid Grow Kits Like the Plague They Truly Are

Those are way better threads for starting out than mine. But the guys here really made my thread incredibly valuable to even the n00biest of n00bs.

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Babylon said:I think the one thing that you are doing the most right is picking what you are set on and staying set on it.  I don't think PF cakes are the best choice, but I do think that making that choice and sticking with it is the right thing to do, rather than waffling back and forth or trying to do some sort of hybrid thing.  Good for you for politely rebuffing those who suggest you work with agar.  I don't know if you are commited to a SGFC but I kind of assume you are, since that is what RR walks people through.  If so good for you, rock that thing, and don't let the people telling you to use shoeboxes or monotubs discourage you. 




I completely agree with you here. I honestly believe that, like you said, I was right to pick the best, most n00b-friendly tek to start off with, and stick to my guns about following it meticulously and without question.

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Babylon said:You ask about moving the jars a bit and I have seen people warn against that. Nobody has done so yet in this thread, and like I said, I am a noob myself, but I wanted to chime in that I have seen warnings against moving jars more than you need to, as that can disturb the mycelium.




I haven't come across this admonishment. I'm not saying you're wrong. only that this is the first time I'm hearing this. LMAO I sure hope you're wrong, though. Otherwise I'm in trouble, because I have to move the jars to an out of the way closet whenever I have company I don't want to see 24 shrooms jars sitting on my kitchen table out in the open. Also, very gently rotating the jars 1/4 turn, four times during the 12 hour lighting cycle every day to assure all areas in these cylindrical jars get approximately equal light.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26540042 - 03/17/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'm actually the opposite of you as far as how I learn best.  I greatly prefer written instructions to a video, and if I am watching someone do something I need them to narrate for me so I can understand what parts are important.  I don't know if all the stuff I have been reading has been properly implanting in my mind, but I feel like it has, if I had started with videos I would probably have had basically the experience you did trying to get it all from text.

Also, in the interest of Opsec (short for operational security, in other words not going to prison) you might not want to mention the name of the band you are in. 


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26540057 - 03/17/20 06:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Hey everyone! Hope you're all having a great day. Anyway, as a sort of thank you to all of you for helping me, I want to give you something funny and you should feel free to mock me mercilessly about. Since one or two said on a few occasions, that I am overthinking a lot of this, I am here to offer proof.

First, see the picture below. LMAO I am so anal about this grow that if you look carefully, you'll see that all 24 jars are spread out on my kitchen table so that the 6500 FFL light that shines on it 12 hours every day is able to shine on the glass part of all my jars. I moved them in such a way that ever single jar is completely out of the shadow of every single other jar.

And that's not all! I can't always do it, but when I'm home, during the 12 hour lights on period, I rotate all 24 jars counter clockwise by about 1/4 turn so ALL sides get full light from the lamp for about three hours each. Anyway, like I said, hahaha have fun and feel free to mock.

Its the least I can do.






I hear light can be beneficial for all stages of mycelial growth, but every jar of spawn I ever grew was grown in a dark cabinet and they all Grew just fine...


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Babylon]
    #26540224 - 03/17/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Also, in the interest of Opsec (short for operational security, in other words not going to prison) you might not want to mention the name of the band you are in. 




Thanks, brother! I just edited my post now.


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    #26541088 - 03/17/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I hear light can be beneficial for all stages of mycelial growth, but every jar of spawn I ever grew was grown in a dark cabinet and they all Grew just fine...




Yeah, I heard the same thing. To be honest, I am not sure that the OCD-like approach I am taking to lighting and keeping all jars out of the shadows of all the other jars is even effective. There is certainly science to support your approach. So I am definitely not saying that your way is wrong. I don't have the knowledge to contradict any tek or techniques I come across. That's why I am basically just trying my best to follow all procedures as fastidiously as possible. In fact, the lighting stuff I have been doing since inoculating my 24 jars is literally the first time I have deviated even slightly.


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    #26541172 - 03/17/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hey all, yet another getting ahead of myself question. I am going to make my SGFC from my 70 Quart Sterilite container some time this week. I won't need it for at least another few weeks, of course, since I only inoculated my jars 11 days ago. Anyway, this got me to thinking. I have a small double sink in my apartment, meaning two small sinks in the same sink area, and these sinks are very small work areas for rinsing perlite. It also looks incredibly tedious and annoying, not to mention  possible drain-clogging potential of an inert substance like Perlite.

So here's my idea, and please tell me if this is completely and totally stupid!

What if I were to clean out my SGFC and just pour the necessary Perlite into the terrarium with  all the holes in it, while I stick it in my bathtub with the drain completely blocked. Then I could simply run the water from the big faucet in the bathtub, which, by the way, has a huge amount of water pressure compared to my sinks. I could REALLY clean all that perlite fast in the bathtub. Since the SGFC will have a million little holes in it, wouldn't this be a better and much faster way to clean all that dust off the perlite, as well as keeping it all in one place, rather than continuously jockeying big spaghetti strainers?

Now if water would be a problem, I could also do this, say 2-3 days before I birth my cakes, soak them, dunk & roll, then put them into the SGFC. A few days would likely allow the perlite to dry, if it being too wet from not enough drainage from the ton of small holes in the SGFC.

What are your wise and sage thoughts, everyone? :mushroom2:


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    #26541475 - 03/17/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Hey all, yet another getting ahead of myself question. I am going to make my SGFC from my 70 Quart Sterilite container some time this week. I won't need it for at least another few weeks, of course, since I only inoculated my jars 11 days ago. Anyway, this got me to thinking. I have a small double sink in my apartment, meaning two small sinks in the same sink area, and these sinks are very small work areas for rinsing perlite. It also looks incredibly tedious and annoying, not to mention  possible drain-clogging potential of an inert substance like Perlite.

So here's my idea, and please tell me if this is completely and totally stupid!

What if I were to clean out my SGFC and just pour the necessary Perlite into the terrarium with  all the holes in it, while I stick it in my bathtub with the drain completely blocked. Then I could simply run the water from the big faucet in the bathtub, which, by the way, has a huge amount of water pressure compared to my sinks. I could REALLY clean all that perlite fast in the bathtub. Since the SGFC will have a million little holes in it, wouldn't this be a better and much faster way to clean all that dust off the perlite, as well as keeping it all in one place, rather than continuously jockeying big spaghetti strainers?

Now if water would be a problem, I could also do this, say 2-3 days before I birth my cakes, soak them, dunk & roll, then put them into the SGFC. A few days would likely allow the perlite to dry, if it being too wet from not enough drainage from the ton of small holes in the SGFC.

What are your wise and sage thoughts, everyone? :mushroom2:




Wet perlite is a good thing.  Unlike vermiculite it doesn't really hold water, so it's not going to overhydrate your cakes.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Babylon]
    #26541486 - 03/17/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Wet perlite is a good thing.  Unlike vermiculite it doesn't really hold water, so it's not going to overhydrate your cakes.




Great thanks, I didn't know that. Do you know about my other question in that post?


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    #26541575 - 03/17/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Wet perlite is a good thing.  Unlike vermiculite it doesn't really hold water, so it's not going to overhydrate your cakes.




Great thanks, I didn't know that. Do you know about my other question in that post?





I'd be careful with the water pressure, don't want to clog your bathtub drain or wash perlite out all over it, but other than that it sounds like a good plan.


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    #26549527 - 03/21/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hey everyone! Its 15 days post inoculation and I will have an update with some pics to get all of your feedback and advice tomorrow or monday. Meanwhile, even though I am still a few weeks away from birthing the cakes, I decided to get it out of the way and made my SGFC. For those that don't want to scroll through this entire thread, I fashioned it from a 70 Quart Sterilite box.

Anyway, at the bottom of this post are some pics, and I have a couple of questions:

1. Look at pics #2 and #3 please. I guess I pushed the drill a little hard in some places, and instead of just a clean hole, in a bunch of places, I have some cracks. Most of them are in the lid, which I guess is good, because there is no weight on the lid. But there are a couple of smaller ones on the bottom, and a few on the sides. My question is, am I overthinking this if I go out and buy some rubber cement or some sort of epoxy to seal these cracks? I get the feeling this is just me being silly, as I don't think much will go in and out of these cracks, but I have to ask.

2. I dusted off all of the rubber/plastic debris, but I noticed that they are not clean holes. Meaning they are perfectly 1/4" and all about 2" apart, but the drill pushed and in some cases pulled the plastic so that its jutting into the container or out of the container in all the holes, depending upon pushing and pulling the drill. So my question is, do I need to get some sandpaper and sand everything down so that I don't have a lot of debris surrounding each of the holes?

Note: Those LONG vertical lines on the right side of the first pic are NOT huge cracks. They are artifacts from the cell phone camera and lighting.


Edit:
By the way, if you guys tell me that those cracks are a deal breaker for fruiting, I can go out and buy another box and ditch this one.





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    #26549540 - 03/21/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Cool SGFC. Yeah you can just use a little duct tape if your worried about them cracking more. In between the holes. Don't cover holes. I don't know if you did this but next time get a torch and get the drill bit red hot and drill in reverse. Helps to prevent cracking and will minimize all those little shavings.

Yes you can sand the holes down. Ain't like we got anything better to do right now. Also remember 5 inches of perilite for that size container is a minimum.


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