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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: koods]
    #26539688 - 03/16/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I am pretty sure I have it too. On Thursday I came into contact with someone who has since also started exhibiting symptoms. I was in a car with her for 20 mins, we never touched or hugged, and I washed my hands as soon as I got home. Seems like it's definitely airborne and highly contagious. Had a very mild sore throat the last couple of days, along with some spaceyness. Last night I was up all night with chest tightness, and today my breathing has been laboured. Even opening some packages this morning caused me to be out of breath. I have health issues effected by indoor air quality, so I spent the day outside today and have just come in for the night and I am finding it a little hard to breathe at the moment. I can see why this is so serious in the elderly and those with underlying health issues, the serious effect it has on breathing. Please stay safe everyone :heart:




Oh yeah you probably do. You better quarantine yourself for a few months.

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Mutations are always possible and there’s no way of knowing which direction they go.  It seems that there has apparently been one mutation already, resulting in a weaker version of SARS-CoV-2 that has become more prevalent.  Mutations are definitely possible (even probable), and indeed the reason why the “flu shot” is sometimes on the mark and sometimes does almost nothing to help protect those who have it from infection.

I suspect someone here has posted this already (maybe even created it?), but my wife sent me this earlier tonight and I figured it was worth a share... :tongue2:






How did they treat the original SARS anyway? How did that finally end?

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The 2009 flu was all over the news for a while.

One reason we don’t really deal out about the flu is we have vaccines. Even if it’s not the exact strains, we can reduce transmission and disease severity with even the imperfect vaccines.

SARS was a big deal similar to covid-19. The difference is that we never lost control of SARS. Covid is easier to spread. The viral loads are much higher than sars and asymptomatic transmission is a game changer.

HIV is not the type of infectious disease that is readily spread. HIV requires very specific types of behaviors to infect another person.

Smallpox was endemic and had been for centuries. Lots of immunity in the population. And really could only cause epidemic in naive, isolated populations.

Ebola is also fairly easy to avoid infection. It’s a life changing infection. If it had been able to spread without surveillance in the west, we would have seen what we see now.




In hindsight all those other diseases look well contained or easily avoided by certain immune factors. But truly I think covid-19 looks horrible in the present because of the media trying to make billions off this shit and its working. In hindsight it will have been a simple mutation of a common flu in China that Americans see very little and greatly effected old people while there is yet to be a single reported case of someone under 19 dying from it.

Yes I said it. Wether its true or not look it up online the same media that are painting this as a "pandemic" are saying no one under 19 has died from this. More so older people. A lot like chickenpox. If this a pandemic then the regular flu is also a pandemic it kills tens of thousands of people a year in the US alone.

What is the true definition of a pandemic? How a disease spreads or how people react to it? Mentally this is truly a pandemic. If we are categorising this as a very contagious mental disease, almost like schizophrenia can jump out of the room from one patient to another in a matter of hours and soon infect the whole world then truly this is the most disastrous pandemic ever experienced in history.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: koods] * 2
    #26539689 - 03/16/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The death rate in Italy is nearly 10% because they have too many infected people to treat. Covid is a devastating illness in 10-15% of the population and without advanced medical intervention those people will die. There is a hospital in northern Italy where not a single patient has recovered. There are hundreds of patients abdely hanging on and more than 100 than died.

The reason the world is losing its mind is that without mitigation covid will kiill hundreds of millions of people.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #26539691 - 03/16/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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We are in a War with China.


A trade War.

Trump started it. He said trade wars are easy to win.

We quit buying their shit

Have you noticed everything is made outside of China recently?

We started the trade war. China ended the trade war with a virus.

They have the fucking cure &  we dont even have the ability to test the sick for the virus.




The US didn't stop buying products from China, where did you get that information?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: imachavel]
    #26539695 - 03/16/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

How many people are vulnerable to chicken pox? Not many. Most people got it already and are immune. 

Nobody on earth ever had covid before late November. Nobody except the recovered are immune.

Covid is not a mutated version of a virus we’ve seen in humans. It is novel. Novel contagious viruses infecteveryone on the planet eventually. If the infection were harmless it wouldn’t be that big a deal. It is not harmless.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: koods]
    #26539707 - 03/16/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Of course it’s a pandemic. It’s a virus that unchecked would  infect most of the human population within a year. Pretty much everyone you know will get covid this year. All the shit we are doing now is so that doesn’t happen in a month long period but more spread out.




Yeah........

... Right. Considering you don't even believe what you are saying I don't believe it either.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/video/608113/

I keep hearing tens of thousands of people have died in Italy. This article says less then 2000 have died.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/italy-with-elderly-population-has-worlds-highest-death-rate-from-virus-11583785086

This article says the deaths in Italy are not so much attributed to the inability to treat the disease but the ratio of elderly people there. Yes of course restricting the disease to all ages would have saved the elderly as well. Still, not nearly the pandemic its being made out to be where 17 million may die like with the Spanish flu.

Still, I feel for those who have suffered. Maybe if I believed the CDC's intention was to prevent the US from facing the hardships Italy has faced I would believe they were doing the right thing. If I believed that political members that influence the inner circulation of the CDC did not own large shares of media corporations making tons of money right now I would believe it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.it/20200302/worried-about-coronavirus-italy-has-a-long-history-of-fighting-disease-outbreaks/amp

Yet others still say Italy has a history of getting hit hard with diseases and this is not un normal. For example

https://www.2oceansvibe.com/2020/03/11/how-many-people-die-annually-from-flu-in-italy/

Itally anually faces an average of 65,000 deaths from the average flu. A lot higher then other countries with a similar population count. But still I mourn for those because its not fun

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-funerals.html

I just have a hard time with the Italian death rate over Corona virus being a good source or reputable analysis to actually help enhance the definition of coronavirus as a "pandemic."


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: RebeccaBlack]
    #26539714 - 03/16/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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New law in Canada effective today in grocery stores and likely in pharmacies : cannot buy more of 2 of ANY item.

Two apples, 2x48 pack of beer or 2 individual beers, 2 juice bottles, 2 onions, 2 yogurt or 2 packs of ramen and 2 frozen dinners. It doesn't make sense for everyone.

Some people are limited in what they can eat for dietary reasons or financial reasons.





you got a link? that doesn't sound real or even plausible?

Also I just bought 3 2L cartons of milk since they were out of larger quantities :shrug:




That was in place at the grocery when I went today. It may be only in Quebec.





That is still pretty outrageous but I can understand why I guess...I went out earlier to pick up milk and bread and had to go to 2 different stores and both were sold out of bread and I got the very last of the milk at the 2nd store.

Apparently it is like this in quite a few places :shrug2:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: koods]
    #26539716 - 03/16/20 11:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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How many people are vulnerable to chicken pox? Not many. Most people got it already and are immune. 

Nobody on earth ever had covid before late November. Nobody except the recovered are immune.

Covid is not a mutated version of a virus we’ve seen in humans. It is novel. Novel contagious viruses infecteveryone on the planet eventually. If the infection were harmless it wouldn’t be that big a deal. It is not harmless.




At this point in history it is true chickenpox is so rare to effect anyone because so many have immunity to it. Perhaps in the pages of history is a page ripped out about native American populations getting chickenpox and many of them dying and being wiped out. Of course if you get it at a young age its no big deal like me and a lot of other people. Smallpox is the main killer of the native American population. At one point Hitler even admired how the US treated native Americans he believed eugenics cleansed the country and he wanted to do the same thing in Germany.

If smallpox had not taken the headline I wonder how many other European diseases were a huge hit to the native American indians. If I am not mistaken long before the 1800s and smallpox I believe trading ships from Europe to American colonies in the early days actually brought the black death over seas and it devastated small amounts of the indian population that got the disease. Entire villages wiped out. A true pandemic by the definition of the word.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: koods]
    #26539717 - 03/16/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The death rate in Italy is nearly 10% because they have too many infected people to treat. Covid is a devastating illness in 10-15% of the population and without advanced medical intervention those people will die. There is a hospital in northern Italy where not a single patient has recovered. There are hundreds of patients abdely hanging on and more than 100 than died.

The reason the world is losing its mind is that without mitigation covid will kiill hundreds of millions of people.





I think the death rate has got to be somewhat lower than reported due to the likely high # of cases that were mild and went unreported, and the lack of testing...

I hope so at least. A death rate that high is just shocking:uhoh:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: imachavel] * 2
    #26539736 - 03/17/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

As I predicted yesterday, the whole Bay Area is under lock down starting in an hour and lasting until at least April 7th.

People can only leave their houses for food and emergency situations or if they have an important job. I'm a construction worker and I'm still allowed out to work thankfully. I will only come in contact with 2 people at my job and then I'll be back to "Shelter In Place." It's very expensive to live here and I don't know how most are doing it. I might have to start employing restaurant workers to keep them afloat.

People were panicking even more today. Especially at the grocery stores. There was no literally no produce except apples  squishy kiwi and 2 artichokes, no fresh meat, rice, oatmeal, or any of that kind of stuff. Still plenty of food to eat, but you just can't be too picky. I seen one lady crying in the cereal isle, probably out of Golden Grahams. Some asshole guy kept touching every single apple even though he was told to stop. I seen a lady at a fast food place making a display of toilet paper to gouge people with high prices.

The weed store looked super packed and I literally seen about 50 heroin/meth dealers all on the same corner. Everyone is stocking drugs to hunker down.

I think it's a good thing for our area to do and expect the rest of the country to follow soon. There is no other way to stop Corona. People are too stupid. Even in the grocery store people were posted up Nut to Butt and definitely not 6 feet apart. I was one of the only people with a mask and not touching my mouth and eyes. People on phones complaining about not going to eat at restaurants.


STOCK UP ON TASTY FOOD NOW IF STILL POSSIBLE!!!

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #26539737 - 03/17/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I keep hearing tens of thousands of people have died in Italy.




Maybe unplug your ears then. Nobody in their right mind is saying this. Just like you seem to be cherrypicking your way around a combination of information and misinformation to be able to spin this into "it ain't so bad just suck it up we've seen worse" sentiment. Do NOT make that mistake.

Let me summarize the situation for you:
* CoViD19 affects the majority of the population if it is unchecked because nobody has any resistance to it. Hence, everybody gets ill to some extent.

* 80% of the patients suffer mild symptoms that are somewhat like the flu and they recover within 2 weeks.

* Roughly 10% of the patients require hospitalization, and many of them need to be admitted to an ICU where they are kept in a coma for up to 4 weeks so that they can be mechanically ventilated.

* Due to the high demands on intensive healthcare, if the virus goes unchecked, the number of patients will swamp the healthcare system. Mortality rates will go up to around 10% as those who require intensive care simply won't be able to get it. This is more or less the situation in Northern Italy at the moment. Note that only a small part of Italy is currently affected, which already creates gigantic problems.

* Currently the age distribution of ICU patients with CoViD19 is skewed to the elderly, but not limited to them. Both in Italy and in The Netherlands we see a median age of about 50.

The combination of gigantic infection rate + high portion of patients requiring many weeks of intensive treatment = breakdown of healthcare system if the virus is left to spread uncontrolled.

The reason why this is not (yet) a pandemic of the magnitude of the Spanish flu is simply because we are taking measures to curb its spread. This was not feasible in 1918 because we didn't know what the fuck was happening. We do know now, and now, one of the major challenges is to get people to understand the situation and what is required of them.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #26539740 - 03/17/20 12:21 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Do you guys support a country wide "Shelter In Place" law?

How long can you personally "Shelter In Place" until you run out of food, money, and drugs?


How long do we need to do this to make the virus go bye bye?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #26539745 - 03/17/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I mean sure whatever just don't get wild with the use of force and it could really help.

I'm going to make a trip tomorrow to stock up on munitions tho.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Lophosaurus] * 1
    #26539774 - 03/17/20 12:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Do you guys support a country wide "Shelter In Place" law?

How long can you personally "Shelter In Place" until you run out of food, money, and drugs?


How long do we need to do this to make the virus go bye bye?




You’re allowed to go to work and get food and necessities. Don’t be so dramatic.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: koods] * 1
    #26539785 - 03/17/20 12:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

in emphasizing the danger to older people, people seem to have gotten the impression younger people don’t get very sick. This is not true. Young people also get the pneumonia at high rates. Half the people in intensive care in Europe are under 50. Young people are getting extremely ill. Many of these young people would die without being attached to a machine. This isn’t a binary situation where you either get sick and die or you’re ok. The plurality of cases will get pretty fucking sick.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: koods]
    #26539787 - 03/17/20 12:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The Spanish flu started in March of 2018 and it surged and waned for another 2 years.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: koods]
    #26539799 - 03/17/20 01:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

my dad is driving across the country from saskatchewan to ontario and he is a heavy smoker

got serious concerns about him...also my grandparents

was glad to hear they cancelled church...thank fuck they cancelled church


this is becoming pretty terrifying, deaths are piling up in the USA as cases increase

cases are increasing here in canada quite rapidly as we expand testing efforts

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: koods]
    #26539800 - 03/17/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Do you guys support a country wide "Shelter In Place" law?

How long can you personally "Shelter In Place" until you run out of food, money, and drugs?


How long do we need to do this to make the virus go bye bye?




You’re allowed to go to work and get food and necessities. Don’t be so dramatic.





How is that being dramatic? Asking people how long they could last on what they have isn't being dramatic and if you were in the same grocery store as I was earlier then you would probably be asking the same thing. It's a totally legit question. Also, look at the number of your posts in this thread and look at the frequency. If anyone is being dramatic about this then I would say it is you.

My 2nd sentence said that people can leave for food. I can leave for work because of what I do, but a lot of people aren't supposed to go to work until the 7th.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Lophosaurus] * 1
    #26539807 - 03/17/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Oh i thought those were rhetorical questions.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Lophosaurus] * 1
    #26539816 - 03/17/20 01:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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How long do we need to do this to make the virus go bye bye?



This coronavirus and the variants that emerge from it through mutation are here to stay. They will not go 'bye bye' as long as humans walk the earth. Hence, that is also not the objective of any policy or emergency response that is currently employed. These are only focused on trying to control the rate of spread in order to enable us to deal with the inevitable consequences of people getting sick. Most of us will get sick to some extent. We just don't want it to happen all at once.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: koraks] * 1
    #26539821 - 03/17/20 01:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I keep hearing tens of thousands of people have died in Italy.




Maybe unplug your ears then. Nobody in their right mind is saying this. Just like you seem to be cherrypicking your way around a combination of information and misinformation to be able to spin this into "it ain't so bad just suck it up we've seen worse" sentiment. Do NOT make that mistake.

Let me summarize the situation for you:
* CoViD19 affects the majority of the population if it is unchecked because nobody has any resistance to it. Hence, everybody gets ill to some extent.

* 80% of the patients suffer mild symptoms that are somewhat like the flu and they recover within 2 weeks.

* Roughly 10% of the patients require hospitalization, and many of them need to be admitted to an ICU where they are kept in a coma for up to 4 weeks so that they can be mechanically ventilated.

* Due to the high demands on intensive healthcare, if the virus goes unchecked, the number of patients will swamp the healthcare system. Mortality rates will go up to around 10% as those who require intensive care simply won't be able to get it. This is more or less the situation in Northern Italy at the moment. Note that only a small part of Italy is currently affected, which already creates gigantic problems.

* Currently the age distribution of ICU patients with CoViD19 is skewed to the elderly, but not limited to them. Both in Italy and in The Netherlands we see a median age of about 50.

The combination of gigantic infection rate + high portion of patients requiring many weeks of intensive treatment = breakdown of healthcare system if the virus is left to spread uncontrolled.

The reason why this is not (yet) a pandemic of the magnitude of the Spanish flu is simply because we are taking measures to curb its spread. This was not feasible in 1918 because we didn't know what the fuck was happening. We do know now, and now, one of the major challenges is to get people to understand the situation and what is required of them.




Let me summarize this for you

Suck it up it ain't so bad we have seen worst.

Exactly. I have not cherry picked a damn thing for shit. I have said exactly what you are saying. 80% of people experience mild symptoms. This is not the spanish flu.

So you don't want to suck it up because it ain't so bad and we have seen worst? Fine. This is what will happen. Step by step.

#everyone will ignore the facts that the mortality rate is low and treat it as a true pandemic with a 1/1 live die ratio like spanish flue. They will ignore the true statistics like dividing the number of hospitals and hospital capacity by the amount of people in the US who actually have this disease which is currently less then 2000 but probably that number will go up. At least a little bit. But at this point I would say off the top of my head without looking it up that we have about 2000 hospitals in our country and if 2000 people have corona virus then that is by average 1 patient with this for every hospital. We are not Northern Italy

#next. People will continue to panic and stop going to work and raid out pharmacy's and grocery stores and close schools. We will face another recession. Billions lost. Economic stimulus package and all that shit. Stock market crashes. Oh my god Northern Italy Spanish flu pandemic. I just cherry picked out all the real facts huh?

# finally. When people run out of money and want to return to work guess what? We are in a recession. The stock market crashed. 12% unemployment and all that shit. No job. No money. No healthcare. Now we can see real fatality rates. The statistics that you are not going to hear about but they will exist over the next several years. People with no jobs. No money. No healthcare. Friggin dying of common infections and shit. Laying out coronavirus deaths in spades statistically like it was a babys first sore throat by comparison. We can live in 3rd world conditions like people in Italy and Wuhan China where the common flu that has existed for millenia mutates into a deadly killer ravaging old people and putting them in the morgue because people live in such disgusting and unhealthy conditions what normal infection wouldn't mutate into "The Spanish Flu?"

# or we can suck it up and deal with it. There has been worst. Not only has there been worst but there has been worst that people did not give a shit about like the flu epidemic of 2009 and we all lived through it and nobody blinked and nobody gave a shit. Honestly being informed and panicking are two separate things. This is pathetic. Airports shutting down and businesses closing because no one can go to work and make money and all the hysteria of "The Spanish Flu" and what an epidemic it was and how 17 million died and obviously this is nowhere near that. The mortality rate is tiny and it sucks and people are dying especially old people. But suck it up. Its life.

And honestly if this bothers people so much then next year and the year after and the year after when worst epidemics hit and its not all over the news because the media has other shit to go crazy about people can feel just as bad and talk about these things all day and quarantine them self without the help from CNN.

You want to talk about a pandemic? Its called HIV. 25 million dead. The mortality rate is hard to calculate because so many people prolong their life with extremely uncomfortable medications honestly its like a 100% fatality rate because everyone that gets it eventually gets sick and dies of a common cold or flu some just much sooner then others while others live for decades and decades but nobody with HIV just passes on in their sleep without tons of health complications throughout their life. Buy condoms. Buy the stores out. Don't pass it on. Its a deadly pandemic and people need to talk about it and panic.

And as for the "heroism" of the media waking people up to what a true catastrophe is and putting in peoples minds the preventative measures they need to take to survive this that is all bullshit. Its a panic move to make money and it has no regard for the lives of the people who die from this. You don't hear in the news sad stories about the names and life stories of people who die from this and how sad the family is and how hard it is for people to move on. You just get a pop up on your phone "2 dead in Florida from corona virus. The governor is having a meeting to discuss blocking the highways." It is totally disrespectful to people it the actions of vultures who do not give a fuck who someone is and what they lose but only intend to get attention and make money off dead people by installing panic in society. Its disgusting and it makes me sick.

If people want to truly fight disease with panic then the media can do this every year and every flu season when tens of thousands of people die from the common cold. What is really filling up the hospitals to capacity right now is the panic. The people checking themself in because they are scared they have this virus and don't. Its going to make it hard to treat really sick people. Really sick people are not going to get the care they need. Because of this "deadly killer." Why don't they put that on the news? Why don't they talk about how for about every 3000 people that are getting tested for this virus 2999 of them are testing negative?

Ok so what am I cherry picking now? I am cherry picking that this "pandemic" is faked by the media and causing hysteria and flooding the hospitals with patients who aren't sick and making it impossible for people who are sick to get treatment on time? Where will the statistics go from here? What is the true pandemic occuring right now? Its the human mind. The beast of insanity. The American media who feeds of greed and death for money. Its disgusting and how can you "cherry pick" around the true disease?

Spanish Flu? :rolleyes: please. This is the American mental schizophrenic pandemic of 2020 in which a few thousand people died from a really bad flu and hundreds of thousands suffered as a result of the ignorance created by those who just thought of themselves. Metaphorically speaking we took a simple cut and treated it like a chainsaw amputation and someone else with a broken arm didn't get the treatment they needed. Its sad


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