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mrfinkle
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Common PF Tek Mistakes
#26539437 - 03/16/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey friends! Just curious, what are some common mistakes that people make doing PF Tek? Specifically what are some things that may cause the jar not to colonize at all?
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Re: Common PF Tek Mistakes [Re: mrfinkle] 1
#26539464 - 03/16/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bad consistency is a big one. Over-hydration or too much flour can cause textural problems. The vermiculite I bought at the very start (fine from home depot) did not hold water according to the ratio prescribed in PF tek. It should be light and fluffy, you should be able to kinda toss it in your hands after you mix it up. Save some time, don't jar and cook goo. It's a waste of time. Hydrate the vermiculite first then add flour, or you get goo if I recall. Don't try to add more water later if it seems to be getting dry, you can always dunk for extra hydration after birthing to fuel fruiting. That was my experience with it anyway.
As far as other mistakes, the fruiting chamber can be a problem. Dirty syringe will fuck you hard. Might not wanna roll in vermiculite if you have a lot of pins when you pull the cake.
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Machiavelliavore said: Bad consistency is a big one. Over-hydration or too much flour can cause textural problems. The vermiculite I bought at the very start (fine from home depot) did not hold water according to the ratio prescribed in PF tek. It should be light and fluffy, you should be able to kinda toss it in your hands after you mix it up. Save some time, don't jar and cook goo. It's a waste of time. Hydrate the vermiculite first then add flour, or you get goo if I recall. Don't try to add more water later if it seems to be getting dry, you can always dunk for extra hydration after birthing to fuel fruiting. That was my experience with it anyway.
As far as other mistakes, the fruiting chamber can be a problem. Dirty syringe will fuck you hard. Might not wanna roll in vermiculite if you have a lot of pins when you pull the cake.
Good luck,
I think it is easier to mix the brf and vermiculite while they are dry so each and every grain is smaller than they would be if attached to each other with water added... one good technique is to add them both to a plastic ziploc bag and toss it around.
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Re: Common PF Tek Mistakes [Re: AtmozFear] 1
#26539494 - 03/16/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Impatience.
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?? what's impatient?
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Re: Common PF Tek Mistakes [Re: mrfinkle] 1
#26539513 - 03/16/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Incubators Overhydration Relying on Syringes Checking jars and tossing the dry verm layer Not listening when people say, "those jars are fucked."
Checking them everyday. Cold shocking
Humidity Chambers
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Re: Common PF Tek Mistakes [Re: Sockadin] 1
#26539721 - 03/16/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Usually the most common pf Tek problems stem from 3 faults.
Deviating from the Tek Bad sanitary procedure Impatience
That's what pretty much every mistake is made from.
Just do what it says, how it says, with what it says and you shouldn't have problems. And just leave the jars alone. If it says it's gonna take a month, youre not gonna be the guy that gets it done in 2 weeks. Just let em be
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Re: Common PF Tek Mistakes [Re: Sockadin]
#26539849 - 03/17/20 02:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Haven't heard of cold shock before. What stage is this done?
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Re: Common PF Tek Mistakes [Re: tyggriffic]
#26539909 - 03/17/20 04:04 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Use to be done before fruiting. It was some bullshit RR put a stop to.
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Re: Common PF Tek Mistakes [Re: mrfinkle]
#26540103 - 03/17/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Overly-wet PF mixture Overly-dry PF mixture Cake Fragmentation (material too loose) Using a filter disk for a lid (causes cake dry-out) Impotent spore syringe (uncommon) Bad sterile technique Impatience
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I feel the whole tek itself is a waste of time when you could just jump on the agar train and go to tubs..but too each their own..we all have our own method to our madness
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Re: Common PF Tek Mistakes [Re: Sunny Skies] 2
#26540225 - 03/17/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You dont even gotta jump to agar. You can just go MS syringe to grain. Its even easier to shoot them up than PF cakes. Only 1 point to worry about.
PF tek is 100% all about growing without a pressure cooker. I know thats what drew me to it when I started.
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Re: Common PF Tek Mistakes [Re: Thrill]
#26540644 - 03/17/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ummmm ok...shoot up a jar of nasty...just remember...a dog that shits fast don't shit long
Kiss...heard of that? obviously youre just into the fast fuck...at least agar kisses you before fucking you..shooting spores into flour never made sense to me...too much work....hehehehehe
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Ive done plenty of agar dishes. Mostly for cloning and strain isolating and LC work. But its not totally needed for grain starting, unless the quality of spore syringes have tanked in the last couple years. I have noticed the amount of people doing agar has skyrocketed the last few years.
Ive only ever had contams once, and it was because it was a homemade vial of spore solution from a trade that was bad from the start. Id even say opening the jar to drop in wedges is more dangerous than shooting it with a syringes from a reputable source using proper technique.
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Re: Common PF Tek Mistakes [Re: Thrill]
#26541433 - 03/17/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are no more reputable sources. Have you guys seen the shortage of culture and prints out there?
There is a new generation of nonsponors and the selection is limited. There are a few go to sponsors but even their selection isn't what it was 5 years ago.
So yeah spores to grain is a toss up. Always kinda was IMO, maybe most of the issues were bad grain prep. IDK, agar to grain seems like the best ride in the carnival.
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Re: Common PF Tek Mistakes [Re: Sockadin]
#26541828 - 03/17/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: There are no more reputable sources. Have you guys seen the shortage of culture and prints out there?
There is a new generation of nonsponors and the selection is limited. There are a few go to sponsors but even their selection isn't what it was 5 years ago.
So yeah spores to grain is a toss up. Always kinda was IMO, maybe most of the issues were bad grain prep. IDK, agar to grain seems like the best ride in the carnival.
I always used one sponsor vendor for my spore needs, and never had an issue with their product. Once I used another vendor (not sure if it was a sponsor, but I thought it was), and got bunk syringe from them.
Usually I buy spores syringes when I'm just getting up and running again. After I get the ball rolling I go agar and cloning and isolating and cultures.
I did notice the list shrunk a bit. They've got the Staples of the cube world, but that's it.
Somewhere I have a bag full of prints and spore vials, gotta be hundreds of prints in there from trades over the years, including one that was a wild cube find by a member from Aussie that I really wanted to play with, I just can't seem to find it. It's also got all my canna and veg/plant/herb seeds in it. Really gotta find that bag loll
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