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First grow. Looking for any helpful suggestions/opinions
    #26539363 - 03/16/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys,

First off, I want to say thank you to this amazing community and the people who donate their time to educate others on mycology. This place has answered pretty much every question that I have had with enough research, and I cannot express just how grateful I am for that. That being said, I am in the process of my first grow with the PF Tek (I'm fairly sure that's the agreed terminology, but I used BRF). I have birthed four of my seven jars (three of them are still colonizing), and one was a few days ahead of the rest as the pictures show. I have noticed a few veils breaking and am wondering when the best time to harvest is because I have seen some conflicting information while looking into it.

My questions are:

-How do my cakes look?

-Is it normal to have them grow only on one side like that?

-How soon from the veil breaking should I actually harvest?

-Once harvested, should I get them into a dehydrator right away or is there a grace period to leave them air out?

-How long at 160 degrees does it typically take to get to cracker dry? (I know the older posts were worried about potency with dehydrators but that it is now widely accepted as the best way to get them dry since it would be a minuscule amount of potency lost anyway. Please verify if I am incorrect)

-Once cracker dry, I was planning on storing them in mason jars with desiccants. Is this a good idea?

That's all I can think of at the moment and any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I'm just trying to learn, and I'm sorry if any of those questions sound stupid. I have looked into them but have found a variety of answers. And I am aware that there are two cakes with no pins or anything. They were just birthed two days ago and should pin soon (I think/hope)



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Re: First grow. Looking for any helpful suggestions/opinions [Re: Hyperlite134]
    #26539425 - 03/16/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Hyperlite134 said:
Hey guys,
My questions are:

-How do my cakes look?





Just fine and dandy.

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Hyperlite134 said:
-Is it normal to have them grow only on one side like that?




Probably just genetics and where they’re getting proper FAE, which is the primary pinning trigger.

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-How soon from the veil breaking should I actually harvest?




Harvest just before or as the veil breaks. Sometimes we can’t get to them and they :puke: all over the tote.
It’s nothing to worry about. Just more mess to clean up.

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-Once harvested, should I get them into a dehydrator right away or is there a grace period to leave them air out?




Immediately

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Hyperlite134 said:
-How long at 160 degrees does it typically take to get to cracker dry? (I know the older posts were worried about potency with dehydrators but that it is now widely accepted as the best way to get them dry since it would be a minuscule amount of potency lost anyway. Please verify if I am incorrect)




No definite time. It depends on the mushroom. I just take the thickest one and when it cracks, they’re all done.
Potency loss is from oxygen not heat. I do an alcohol extraction on my mushrooms via double boil.

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-Once cracker dry, I was planning on storing them in mason jars with desiccants. Is this a good idea?





Should be fine there.

Good looking first grow brother. Keep it up :woot: :highfive:


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Re: First grow. Looking for any helpful suggestions/opinions [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #26539453 - 03/16/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the quick and direct response TranscendingLife. You just saved me a lot of anxiety haha. And one more stupid question if you don't mind.

-Is it typical for the veil to be breaking when they are this small?

It appears that it is breaking on a lot of them, and I guess I was expecting them to get a little bit bigger before the veil broke. Maybe a select few will get bigger or the next flushes will have fewer but bigger fruits?


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Re: First grow. Looking for any helpful suggestions/opinions [Re: Hyperlite134]
    #26539466 - 03/16/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

That’s just genetics, brother.
Especially since, I’m assuming, you used MS syringes.
It’s like us breeding. You’ll never know what you’re gonna get.
Could’ve just got bad genetic coding. Start with agar next time.
It’s not as difficult as people make it out to be.


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Re: First grow. Looking for any helpful suggestions/opinions [Re: Hyperlite134]
    #26539468 - 03/16/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

that is normal, and every single mushroom is its own strain, not a member of any group except for psylocibe cubensis... if you're dealing with cubes, that is.


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Re: First grow. Looking for any helpful suggestions/opinions [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #26539478 - 03/16/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I did use syringes, and I would have done agar but was not informed well enough when I started my venture. I am actually waiting on all my supplies for agar to arrive so I can begin that next. I plan to do BOD's monotub tek because it appears to be the most efficient tek I've seen. Do you have an opinion on if there is a better tek to use?


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Re: First grow. Looking for any helpful suggestions/opinions [Re: Hyperlite134]
    #26539491 - 03/16/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

bod knows his shit and no better tek... and he has the humility of calling it "easy as fuck"... which is actually the only thing I disagree with, just in the scope of all the processes from afar i mean.


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Re: First grow. Looking for any helpful suggestions/opinions [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26539500 - 03/16/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I’m not aware of the tek since I just came back after a few year hiatus.
Post the link and I’ll give it a looksie. :randy:


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Re: First grow. Looking for any helpful suggestions/opinions [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26539508 - 03/16/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Perfect. I'm glad to know I'm on the right track then. And I get what you mean about it not necessarily being "easy as fuck," but he does such a good job of explaining everything that it does end up seeming fairly easy when you get through reading it all. It's a bit of a process just acquiring everything you need for it haha. But thanks again guys. You put my worries to rest and I truly appreciate the quick responses.

Here's the tek:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800


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Re: First grow. Looking for any helpful suggestions/opinions [Re: Hyperlite134]
    #26539517 - 03/16/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

no problem!  I LOVE making mistakes I can learn from... every mistake you make, you just got better...  :2cents:


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Re: First grow. Looking for any helpful suggestions/opinions [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26539532 - 03/16/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Two more questions now. Should I harvest them all at once or pick them off as their veils break? And I was planning on dunking them for the second flush. That is proper procedure for cakes isn't it? I had read to dunk for 24 hours again but am now seeing people say to only dunk for 6-8 hours.


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Re: First grow. Looking for any helpful suggestions/opinions [Re: Hyperlite134]
    #26539545 - 03/16/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Harvest when ready.
Dunk time will very depending on who you talk to.
I’ve, personally, never done cakes so can’t say.
Tubs and shoeboxes I do for 4 hours.


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Re: First grow. Looking for any helpful suggestions/opinions [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #26539779 - 03/17/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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TranscendingLife said:
That’s just genetics, brother.
Especially since, I’m assuming, you used MS syringes.
It’s like us breeding. You’ll never know what you’re gonna get.
Could’ve just got bad genetic coding. Start with agar next time.
It’s not as difficult as people make it out to be.





Agar won't prevent bad genetics, just makes it easier to grow the same thing twice.


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