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How do my grain jars look?
#26537353 - 03/15/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spawned these first two jars on 3/3 and shook them up a week later using rye grass seed and a pinch of gypsum. How do they look - far enough to begin G2G?


Now, this jar just came out of the pressure cooker yesterday and have not yet been inoculated. I noticed several of the jars have this white / milky stuff at the bottom.
I *suspect* that all this is is gypsum, water and starch from the grain. I went a little heavier - maybe too much - on the gypsum in this batch to help with the clumping. I also must have had some boil over because the pressure cooker stunk like burnt rye grain when I opened it.
What do you think?
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: PTreeDish]
#26537366 - 03/15/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Top two look good! I would pitch that third one.........start strong with another jar.
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: SynKyd]
#26537406 - 03/15/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Think the first two are far enough along for G2G or should I wait a little longer?
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: PTreeDish]
#26537530 - 03/15/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wait until they’re fully colonized to g2g.........patience
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: SynKyd]
#26537549 - 03/15/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cool - will need to search and find what fully colonized looks like. 
For the questionable jar, it came out of the PC looking this - which is why I think it's just harmless moisture with excess gypsum that did not get completely dissolved.
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: PTreeDish]
#26537572 - 03/15/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your moisture content is off clearly in all of the jars. What was your grain prep technique? Gypsum cannot be excessive in jars since you dump your soaked grains in a strainer then load your jars. You should not have grains stuck to the top of the glass jar as you do.
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I followed RR's Rye Grass Seed Prep, which is:
- Put 1 1/4 cup Rye Grass in Quart Jar - Put in a Pinch of Gypsum - Shake Jars and Distribute Gypsum - Pour in 5/8 cup water - With solid lid, shake and mix everything up - Replace lid with filtered lid, cover with foil, PC 1 hour @15PSI.
I did mess up on both batches by forgetting to leave open the PC valve for 5 mins while steaming to let any air escape but once I realized it, I lifted the valve back to immediately go back down to 0 and started the process all over again (let steam for 5 minutes, then close valve and build pressure to 15+psi, start countdown).
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: PTreeDish] 1
#26537655 - 03/15/20 11:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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That tek is so outdated it’s not funny. 1 hour is not nearly long enough to reach the temperatures you want in your grains. I used to do 90 minutes. My new minimum is 120 minutes. I more average around 140. Venting until it’s 100% steam coming out of the toggle weight valve is absolutely necessary. The drip of water test on the top of the lid of a PC is the best to know when it’s reached temp. IMHO I’d re-PC those jars for 60 minutes to kill any bad shit in them and dump them in my chicken scratch pile. Time to start over. We’ve all done it. Check my gallery in “contams.”
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Quote:
That tek is so outdated it’s not funny.
Dang...Is it just the pc time that is out of date? If I'm going to have to redo 20 jars, I'd like to not make any more mistakes.
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The drip of water test on the top of the lid of a PC is the best to know when it’s reached temp.
Not familiar with that test, but I do have a psi gauge.
Edited by PTreeDish (03/16/20 01:06 AM)
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: PTreeDish]
#26537992 - 03/16/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's RRs tek for Rye Grass which is different than his Rye Berries tek
The DVD has a video for both as they're used for different species.
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: rumfor69]
#26538006 - 03/16/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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My manual says to vent for 10 minutes, not 5.
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: rumfor69]
#26538011 - 03/16/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I’ve re pc’d bacterial jars I caught a few days in and reinoculated and they came out fine. Grains get a little darker but it works.
This whole bin of cakes were repc’d with trich at the inoculation points and then reinoculated

Sterile is sterile
Not saying that yours are early enough to do so, but if you catch jars quick enough (I’d say within 5 days of being inoculated) that can be done.. just something to keep in mind in the future
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: fahtster]
#26538385 - 03/16/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Appreciate that insight. The questionable jar came out of the PC looking like this so I'm suspicious that it's bacteria and not just water, gypsum, rye starch. That said, can't hurt to re-PC. It's only been 2 days so far.
@rumfor69, my model says 5 mins for steam and I am using the rye grass seed tek because I'm using rye grass seed.
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: PTreeDish]
#26538536 - 03/16/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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PTreeDish said: @rumfor69, my model says 5 mins for steam and I am using the rye grass seed tek because I'm using rye grass seed.
Ahh sorry I get confused easily sometimes. That's why it looks so different to me I have no experience with rye grass seed. I've never done the steam first thing. But I run my cookers very differently than anyone else as I use portable 1500w 8" electric burners and heavy heat resistant magnets on the jiggler weight to offset the lack of power coming from the heat source. When they reach 16-17psi I start a 90min timer and start turning down the burners. I'm using the largest all american cookers.
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: rumfor69]
#26538783 - 03/16/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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TL'S water drip test is a new Tek.
Get PC up to temperature, while it is venting drip 3 drips of water on the top of your PC if they evaporate you have reached optimum temperature. If they roll down the lid, you ain't there yet boss.
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: Sockadin]
#26538834 - 03/16/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: TL'S water drip test is a new Tek.
Get PC up to temperature, while it is venting drip 3 drips of water on the top of your PC if they evaporate you have reached optimum temperature. If they roll down the lid, you ain't there yet boss.
It’s not that new, since I’ve been doing it since 2012, but you’re 100% correct sir. I just drip some water under the handle of the PC, if it doesn’t evaporate in 5 seconds, it’s not at temp.
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Has something changed or been lossed about the use of a pressure cooker?
I've pressure cooked with grandma and mom for my whole life. You turn it on put the weight on it to trap the steam. When the jiggler starts to jiggle it's at that psi setting. It can only jiggle properly if that pressure is reached which means it's at that temperature 15psi achieves. There's conversion charts for the temperatures of steam under pressure.
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Re: How do my grain jars look? [Re: rumfor69]
#26538857 - 03/16/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You want to push all of the air out of the PC and have it full of steam before putting on the weight. This action ensures that you’ve got the entire PC at temperature and full of steam and the jars at the top will be as hot as the ones on the bottom. What you described is fine for canning, not for “sterilizing.”
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First part of my statement was a joke. So many "new" teks running around.
Good to see your still here sir. I remember when i started years ago it was you and fooman and some of the early guys TEKs that we all followed.
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Interesting, never bothered anything I've done. And I'm not sure if it follows the laws of thermodynamics and exchange. Cold dense air isn't going to stay trapped in the expanding hot air causing an extreme temperature variance. It would even completely make a psi gauge inaccurate.
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