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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Stable Genius]
#26537816 - 03/16/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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That’s slightly different. The bats are a reservoir for an existing virus. In the case of covid-19 the virus didn’t exist until it mutated in an animal that then infected a human.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Stable Genius]
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Stable Genius]
#26537831 - 03/16/20 03:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If they are treating patients successfully with drugs, then they need to publish. They can run trials, but they need to tell the medical community what the drugs are. Approved drugs can be used by doctors in any way they want if they can justify the medical soundness of their reasoning. These are not drugs that need safety trials. They have already been approved for use. If it is suspected that a drug could help alleviate a pandemic, it should be used clinically without delay.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
#26537834 - 03/16/20 03:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's what I found confusing about the article. The contradiction makes me feel like they're trying to get people's hopes up, prevent a panic
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
#26537837 - 03/16/20 03:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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See what unfolds I guess but the article said ALL who trialed the treatment recovered.
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One of the two medications is a HIV drug, which has been superseded by “newer generation” HIV drugs, and the other is an anti-malaria drug called chloroquine which is rarely used and “kept on the shelf now” due to resistance to malaria.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: HamHead]
#26537839 - 03/16/20 03:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Watch this video from the OP of this thread. It was posted less than two months ago. Back when there were 200 cases in the world total almost all in China. Now we’re at 170,000 but the virus is everywhere not just one Chinese city. The rate of growth in this European phase is even faster than it was in China at the beginning. 100,000,000 cases in another two months, plus or minus 10%
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Stable Genius]
#26537843 - 03/16/20 03:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: See what unfolds I guess but the article said ALL who trialed the treatment recovered.
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One of the two medications is a HIV drug, which has been superseded by “newer generation” HIV drugs, and the other is an anti-malaria drug called chloroquine which is rarely used and “kept on the shelf now” due to resistance to malaria.
Maybe they just didn’t put it in that article
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
#26537845 - 03/16/20 04:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The UK just banned the export of their stockpile of the anti-HIV drug Kaletra and Chloroquine. I’m guessing that’s what the article is about
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/comment/parallel-export-covid-19/
That has disaster movie intrigue.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
#26537855 - 03/16/20 04:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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LoL
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods] 2
#26537859 - 03/16/20 04:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here’s the thing they are running a trial on those drugs for awhile, and if they were seeing undeniable positive outcomes, the people running that trial would have the ethical duty to use the drug to treat all study participants, and notify the medical community that the drug has been proven effective. They haven’t done that. Once researchers know a treatment under study is effective, the use of randomized control subjects who would receive a placebo and denied effective treatment is unethical.
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The man who had the first confirmed case of COVID-19 in Spain has been "successfully treated" with the combination antiretroviral lopinavir-ritonavir (Kaletra, AbbVie), according to news reports. The drug is currently used to treat HIV infection. It's clear why this story is appealing right now — we would all like to hear some good news about the coronavirus pandemic. But it's hard to draw firm conclusions from these news reports. Multiple clinical trials are testing lopinavir-ritonavir as a treatment for COVID-19, and we would rather report on the data from their results than pass along secondhand information about an individual case. We think our busy readers deserve better. Instead, readers can find the latest COVID-19 news and guidance in Medscape's Coronavirus Resource Center.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods] 1
#26537863 - 03/16/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah ok, typical news.com fuckery I'll cut and paste the article.
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A team of Australian researchers say they’ve found a cure for the novel coronavirus and hope to have patients enrolled in a nationwide trial by the end of the month.
University of Queensland Centre for Clinical Research director Professor David Paterson told news.com.au today they have seen two drugs used to treat other conditions wipe out the virus in test tubes.
He said one of the medications, given to some of the first people to test positive for COVID-19 in Australia, had already resulted in “disappearance of the virus” and complete recovery from the infection.
Prof Paterson, who is also an infectious disease physician at the Royal Brisbane and Women’s Hospital, said it wasn’t a stretch to label the drugs “a treatment or a cure”.
“It’s a potentially effective treatment,” he said.
“Patients would end up with no viable coronavirus in their system at all after the end of therapy.”
The drugs are both already registered and available in Australia.
“What we want to do at the moment is a large clinical trial across Australia, looking at 50 hospitals, and what we’re going to compare is one drug, versus another drug, versus the combination of the two drugs,” Prof Paterson said.
Given their history, researchers have a “long experience of them being very well tolerated” and there are no unexpected side effects.
“We’re not on a flat foot, we can sort of move ahead very rapidly with enrolling Australians in this trial,” Prof Paterson said.
“It’s the question we all have – we know it’s coming now, what is the best way to treat it?”
Prof Paterson said positive experiences in the fight against coronavirus have already been recorded overseas, citing China and Singapore. His research team are confident they can start getting the drugs to patients in a very safe way on home soil.
“We want to give Australians the absolute best treatment rather than just someone’s guesses or someone’s anecdotal experiences from a few people,” Prof Paterson told news.com.au.
He said they hope to be enrolling patients by the end of March.
“And that way, if we can test it in this first wave of patients, we do fully expect that there are going to be ongoing infections for months and months ahead, and therefore we’ll have the best possible information to treat subsequent patients,” Prof Paterson said.
“That’s really our aim, to get real world experience in Australia.”
He said the trouble with the data coming from China was that it wasn’t really gathered “in a very controlled way”, given they were the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak at the time.
“Things were just chaotic,” Prof Paterson said.
“There were these emergency hospitals being built and the system really being very, very stretched.”
One of the two medications is a HIV drug, which has been superseded by “newer generation” HIV drugs, and the other is an anti-malaria drug called chloroquine which is rarely used and “kept on the shelf now” due to resistance to malaria.
He said the researchers want to study them in a “very meaningful way” against the coronavirus to “try and alleviate that anxiety of Australians”.
“There have already been patients treated with these in Australia and there’s been successful outcomes but it hasn’t been done in a controlled or a comparative way,” Prof Paterson said. The drugs would be given orally, as tablets.
Prof Paterson said patients would be asked to participate “as soon as they’re admitted” to hospital with the aim of beginning treatment “very early on in their illness”.
He said the research was sparked by Chinese patients, who were first given the drug in Australia, showing their doctors information on the internet about the treatment used overseas.
“Our doctors were very, very surprised that a HIV drug could actually work against the novel coronavirus and there was a bit of scepticism,” he said.
“That first wave of Chinese patients we had (in Australia), they all did very, very well when they were treated with the HIV drug.
“That’s reassuring … that we’re onto something really good here.”
The RBWH Foundation has established a Coronavirus Action Fund. By Monday afternoon it had raised $30,000 of the desired $750,000 for the clinical drug trials and other related medical research.
“The trials will start as soon as funding is secured,” the fund states.
When asked why they had to put a call out money, Prof Paterson said they “want to give as many people in Australia access to this” and can’t take doctors away from their normal work.
“The reality is that doctors are going to need to be concentrating on their patients and we need to get a very strong research team across Australia that can make sure that all the Is are dotted and the Ts are crossed and make sure that it is a really high-quality study so that we can be really confident in the results,” he said.
“We did this with bushfires, this is an example where we’re reaching out to the public to put the financial support behind the study so it can get underway.
“Fifty hospitals have expressed interest in participating and we expect there may even be more to come.”
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Stable Genius]
#26537865 - 03/16/20 04:17 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wish that it would kill everyone
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: watermelon mon]
#26537866 - 03/16/20 04:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lucky.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#26537868 - 03/16/20 04:21 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok I get it. They want to setup a study in Australia that would test that combo. They need money to fund it. Seems a little sketch. They surely can get funding from a more legitimate source than a gofundme.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
#26537871 - 03/16/20 04:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah that bit just does not add up.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Stable Genius]
#26537873 - 03/16/20 04:24 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fairly sure the Federal government would be all over this like gravy if it were real
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Stable Genius]
#26537883 - 03/16/20 04:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If they were having good results in that study we would have heard about it
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
#26537906 - 03/16/20 05:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I definitely still have something. Sore throat, feels like tonsillitis. Dry cough although the cough is controllable and I don't know if it's related but I'm pretty sure I have conjunctivitis type thing in both eyes. I keep waking up with massive eye boogies.
Sore throat is the worst. Can barely swallow.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: audiophoenix] 2
#26537908 - 03/16/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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In the meantime, what's really annoying (apart from the disconcerting problems in healthcare) is the hoarding behavior of people here (The Netherlands). There's no shortage of food. There's no imminent interruption of supply. But people irrationally stock up on random stuff like there's no tomorrow. I regularly bake my own bread, but flour is sold out all the time because it's sitting unused on the shelves of people who likely wouldn't even know what to do with it when (if) the time comes to actually use it. Goddamn retards.
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