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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 *DELETED* [Re: koods]
    #26536388 - 03/15/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: RebeccaBlack] * 1
    #26536401 - 03/15/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

My company finally gave up and is giving me paid leave if and when I get it, and it won’t eat into my pto or vacation time. Glad I’ll be able to keep the lights on if and when I get sick.


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Re: COVID-19 - Coronavirus Outbreak - Global Pandemic 2020 [Re: waves]
    #26536411 - 03/15/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If you look at the actual tweet Zhao Lijian wrote, I don't think he was really accusing the US army of doing that at all.
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Enjoy the part where he went back and tweeted about it further later using obscuring language to imply that there are views in the international community that don't think it started in China



Of course, Twitter is blocked in China anyway so he was only trying to reach an international audience with it

Meanwhile, within China:
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In recent weeks, however, Chinese officials have appeared eager to float the idea that the virus did not necessarily start in their country at all.

"No conclusion has been reached yet on the origin of the virus," Zhao Lijian, the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman, told a briefing Thursday.

He referred to a statement by Dr. Zhong Nanshan, a prominent epidemiologist, who claimed last month that "though the virus was first discovered in China, it may not have originated" there.

Zhong did not give an alternative suggestions about how this all started, but his words have fueled a raft of conspiracy theories online, including that the contagion might have been brought in by American athletes staying in Wuhan during the Military World Games last year.

Though these posts have been read by millions of people on Chinese social media sites, and been challenged by many of the same readers, that's not the most surprising thing about them, according to Steve Tsang, professor at the China Institute at London's SOAS university.

What's interesting, he said, is that the posts have not been removed by China's strict internet censors, who regularly scrub out any conversation or topic that they do not want to spread.

This suggests that these conspiracy theories — perhaps more through accident than design — chime neatly with the distractive goals of the Chinese government.

"We know the Chinese government censor both the traditional media and the social media very, very tightly," Tsang said. "And practically nothing that the Chinese government terms unacceptable will be allowed to stay for any period of time. So if something stays, it's because it has been allowed to stay."

He added, "Nothing is left up there by accident, at least not for long."



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It's also true that many people posting about conspiracy theories in China are doing so to debunk the claims.

On one of China's most popular social media tools, WeChat, where many people access information about the virus, a quick search of "Coronavirus is from the U.S." yields mostly articles explaining why such claims are unreasonable. Some pointed out such fear or misinformation simply comes from mistranslated U.S. news headlines.



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International experts have heavily criticized the Chinese government and local officials for not releasing more information about the virus in its early stages — with some alleging there was a deliberate cover up. One doctor who tried to warn officials about the impending epidemic was reprimanded by police, only to later die from it himself.

Anger was palpable on China's heavily restricted social media sites. Many avoided banned words, instead using thinly veiled references to Chernobyl, the nuclear meltdown in Ukraine in 1986 that was initially covered up by the Soviet Union, and quotes from the French revolutionary novel "Les Miserables."

Most notably, a prominent Chinese law professor, Xu Zhangrun, wrote an essay saying the virus had "revealed the rotten core of Chinese governance," and that "groundless decisions from authorities have pushed powerless citizens to despair and the disease to the globe."

Although China's first wave of infections appears to be at an ebb, there are now fears about other countries bringing the coronavirus back in and triggering a second wave. Several cities have announced a two-week quarantine for anyone arriving from places like Iran and Italy.

Nevertheless, from a messaging perspective at least, China's efforts have been "amazingly successful in terms of propaganda," according to Tsang at SOAS.

"It depends on your yardstick. If it's about controlling the narrative, which is what Xi Jinping uses, then they are very successful," he said. "If your yardstick is about containing the virus and preventing it from spreading, then it's not."



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/coronavirus-rumors-misinformation-swirl-unchecked-china-n1151291
(article from about a week before his tweets)

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“Go on WeChat, go on Weibo, look on Baidu search, and it’s full of ‘look at all the other countries getting sick,’ or ‘the virus came from the United States,’ or all different levels of conspiracy theories,” said Xiao Qiang, an adjunct professor at the University of California at Berkeley’s School of Information who studies China’s Internet.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/conspiracy-theorists-blame-the-us-for-coronavirus-china-is-happy-to-encourage-them/2020/03/05/50875458-5dc8-11ea-ac50-18701e14e06d_story.html
(also from about a week before)

used to watch gaming videos on a couple of the Chinese youtube substitutes
it's kind of neat, but weird, that China has such a nationalized internet from the inside with degrees of access from the outside
it means that meme trends and the like end up really different and stuff


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Re: COVID-19 - Coronavirus Outbreak - Global Pandemic 2020 [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26536417 - 03/15/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I feel like this is a reaction to republicans who insist on calling it the Chinese coronavirus or the Wuhan virus.


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Re: COVID-19 - Coronavirus Outbreak - Global Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26536421 - 03/15/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Fauci says we may need to do a total national lockdown like being seen in Italy and Spain. All businesses shut down except for grocery and drug stores.

Many grocery stores are limiting their hours in the DC area starting today.

Walmart nationwide: Stores normally open 24 hours will be open from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. until further notice, the company said late Saturday. Other stores, which are typically open until midnight, will also have reduced hours.


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Re: COVID-19 - Coronavirus Outbreak - Global Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26536427 - 03/15/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I mean if it did originate in china then why wouldn't it be called a chinese virus? :notsureif:


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Re: COVID-19 - Coronavirus Outbreak - Global Pandemic 2020 [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26536428 - 03/15/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So politicians don’t spend their time blaming each other. 🤷‍♂️


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Re: COVID-19 - Coronavirus Outbreak - Global Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26536433 - 03/15/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I feel like this is a reaction to republicans who insist on calling it the Chinese coronavirus or the Wuhan virus.




Can see where that sentiment comes from
just unclear on when the "Chinese Coronavirus" comments first started
anything mentioning use of the term is from around the 11th to 13th referring to the Robert Redfield comment
but then how does that explain Chinese social media discussing the theory a week prior to that?

Again, if the "Chinese Coronavirus" label has been going for longer, would appreciate the insight and it would change my own view slightly

for reference, editted in the second (March 5th) story into my post that you may have missed:
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In recent days, run-of-the-mill mockery of the White House has taken a darker turn as the Chinese Internet became inundated by the theory, subtly stoked by the Chinese government, that the coronavirus originated in the United States. The U.S. government, one version of the theory goes, has been covering up mounting cases, and perhaps thousands of deaths, by classifying them as regular flu.
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“Go on WeChat, go on Weibo, look on Baidu search, and it’s full of ‘look at all the other countries getting sick,’ or ‘the virus came from the United States,’ or all different levels of conspiracy theories,” said Xiao Qiang, an adjunct professor at the University of California at Berkeley’s School of Information who studies China’s Internet.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/conspiracy-theorists-blame-the-us-for-coronavirus-china-is-happy-to-encourage-them/2020/03/05/50875458-5dc8-11ea-ac50-18701e14e06d_story.html

naturally, only trust the Washington Post as much as you feel comfortable
but at least they are talking about what Chinese citizens are discussing on their own platforms
since we don't hear their voices via twitter or facebook


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Re: COVID-19 - Coronavirus Outbreak - Global Pandemic 2020 [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26536434 - 03/15/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You could be right. The US government lies almost as much as the Chinese government now.

If people begin believing that conspiracy theory and turning against the US even more, it is 100% Trump's fault.

Sadly, it wouldn't surprise me if people do start believing that.

Trump has destroyed any respect or trust we had from the international community


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Re: COVID-19 - Coronavirus Outbreak - Global Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26536435 - 03/15/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Fauci says we may need to do a total national lockdown like being seen in Italy and Spain. All businesses shut down except for grocery and drug stores.




It's close to being too late to do it. I expect Canada to do it this week.

I must admit, people really got the message around and even if there's no lockdown or quarantine, it is advised to just stay home for the next 2 weeks and to limit going out to get food or medication and medical help.

People are scared and are staying home. People keep their distances at the grocery stores (except Costco) and I see many people washing their hands and washing the handle of the grocery cart. My normally very passing street is super silent.

All schools, CEGEP and Universities are closed. All events cancelled. All hospitals and clinics are screening for COVID19 infection before even entering. People use gloves or sleeves to open doors everywhere. Also, our population is not very dense. I have better hopes for Canada than for the USA.


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Re: COVID-19 - Coronavirus Outbreak - Global Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26536443 - 03/15/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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So politicians don’t spend their time blaming each other. 🤷‍♂️



I wish you would be the politician. I'd vote for you for real.


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Re: COVID-19 - Coronavirus Outbreak - Global Pandemic 2020 [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26536480 - 03/15/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If I increase my social distancing even more, I'll need to move to the moon.


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Re: COVID-19 - Coronavirus Outbreak - Global Pandemic 2020 [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #26536487 - 03/15/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I mean if it did originate in china then why wouldn't it be called a chinese virus? :notsureif:




For the same reason we don't call it African HIV?


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Re: COVID-19 - Coronavirus Outbreak - Global Pandemic 2020 [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 3
    #26536491 - 03/15/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: RebeccaBlack] * 1
    #26536493 - 03/15/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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if anything, take a seroquel or an antipsychotic. If you don't see change, you're good. But, maybe you'll see things a bit more clearly and less dramatic. It doesn't cost much to try. I don't know, I can't help but feel worried when I read your weird ass wall posts.




If you feel anxious about my eccentricity, which has always been and always will, take a diazepam to have your anxiety subside.

I don't share your anxiety, nor is this psychosis. Nor is this drug induced because I havent taken any recreational drugs since November 9 when I quit dissociatives for good.

I'm drug free, psychosis free, in fact use a neuroleptic to slow my brain down and I'm not anxious about this.

Don't confuse your drug induced psychosis with me being a visionary. They are two different things.

There is no room in your world for visionaries. we must chase after the facts and cannot be ahead of them.

Just wait and see.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante]
    #26536504 - 03/15/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, our coffeeshops have just been closed for the next three weeks. Im sober for now but my brother is freaking the fuck out :lol:

Stock up on your smokables whilst you still can


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #26536510 - 03/15/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Wow, our coffeeshops have just been closed for the next three weeks. Im sober for now but my brother is freaking the fuck out :lol:

Stock up on your smokables whilst you still can





"Closed for 3 weeks" is the euphemism of the century. We'll be in lockdown so much we can't even unzip our zipper in 3 weeks.

Boiling the frog gradually.

We're shooting right up at breakneck speed in terms of cases. That won't be over in 3 weeks, it will be far worse.






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Prediction! 1000 cases in Holland before the week is out. On sunday you'd think I'd be tripping but with 382 cases on tuesday its not that outlandish anymore, is it? A doubling and a fart and we're in the 4 digit club.






Tuesday 382
Wednesday: 503 (+121)
Thursday: 614 (+111)
Friday: 804 (+190)
Saturday: 959 (+155)
Sunday: 1135 (+176)







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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante]
    #26536514 - 03/15/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)



shoulda stayed in Saskatchewan


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Re: COVID-19 - Coronavirus Outbreak - Global Pandemic 2020 [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #26536527 - 03/15/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

we shoulda started some sort of lockdown last week. the earlier, the less time we have to spend in quarantine I figure. Can't belive there was never protocol for this. The NTSB should probably have certain interstates locked down.

We probs dont have tests cause it is a conspiracy and they dont want us to know how they spread it :eek:


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    #26536530 - 03/15/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

368 dead in Italy

...Today.


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