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Enkidu
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Covid and quarantine
#26536311 - 03/15/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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What you guys think is going on?
Im in the US.
You think this is all gona blow over?
Something mlre to it?
Really think they will shut down and quarantine cities like im hearing in other parts?
Whats it like where youre at?
Conspiracy theorists are def talking right now... Thoughts?
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: Enkidu]
#26536317 - 03/15/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wont be surprised if they shut everything down with martial law.
I heard that in a place where that's happening, if they catch you outside. I was told it's minimum 3 months in prison.
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: Enkidu]
#26536326 - 03/15/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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try and stay in your house, only go outside for groceries and prescriptions and stuff like that
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It think the panic will blow over once we find out everyone is infected and most of the deaths have happened. I bet that it's just very brutal in the beginning but things will normalize over time. I don't think lock downs will occur in my area. You can still go buy groceries in Italy and plenty of old people are unaffected
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: Enkidu]
#26536333 - 03/15/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just watched Joe Rogan's interview with Michael Osterholm expert in infectious disease epidemiology https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw Very informative, I highly recommend it.
According to him there is no stopping it because it is communicable before symptoms show. It will not blow over. It will run it's course. But please don't freak out.
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: flugelizor] 1
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Run its course meaning what exactly?
Isnt death rate extremely low for all but the very elderly
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: Enkidu] 2
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You got about another 3 to 6 weeks of total fucking chaos. Buy food, liquor, dope, whatever stock the fuck up and stay inside.
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We were about to head to the store now to stock up on food.
See what its like out there.. Probably a bad time to go middle of a sunday day. And we have our 1 month baby
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: Enkidu] 3
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Enkidu said: Run its course meaning what exactly?
Isnt death rate extremely low for all but the very elderly
Not really. I think the death rate is between 1.5-4% depending on demographics and health response of a region. The USA might be on the higher end because there aren't enough hospital beds, there was a slow response and there is no unified public healthcare system. With a 40-70% infection rate you could have 100,000 to millions of deaths. The economy is going to implode and most services won't be available for maybe 3 months.
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: Enkidu]
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(according to Osterholm ) It would run it's course meaning 3-6 months of being passed to every corner of the country. And it will finally taper off when enough of the population has had it so the rate of transfer is too small to continue. More than 1% mortality.
When the panic subsides people return to work and the disease will make a comeback.
People in their 40s have died from it so he stresses it's not just a disease of the elderly. Plus, even if it was just the elderly dying, that would still suck.
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And he says the US might be worse because of the high rate of obesity and heart disease.
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: flugelizor]
#26536367 - 03/15/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your CPAP can't save you now... damn those cheeseburgers
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: Enkidu]
#26536375 - 03/15/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: What you guys think is going on?
Im in the US.
You think this is all gona blow over?
Something mlre to it?
Really think they will shut down and quarantine cities like im hearing in other parts?
Whats it like where youre at?
Conspiracy theorists are def talking right now... Thoughts?
Things are both better and worse than is being portrayed.
First and foremost, the US is vastly under reporting their total number of cases. That does a few things, but primarily it skews all of the data and outlooks crazily. What we know, there are like 2 to 10 times more cases than reported. So, not only is Covid 19 spreading faster than we know, but the number of cases are many orders of magnitude higher than recorded. The US has been strictly testing the worst cases, very few low risk (for the carrier) cases have been tested. What does that it mean? It means that not only are there far more cases than are being recorded, but it also means the reported fatality rate is vastly overblown.
Will this blow over? Eventually. Expect at least three months of uncertainty. The biggest case study, that being China, has basically stalled out in terms of new cases. They are now fully in recovery stages. They had a rather draconian approach to control, and it was effective. It remains to be seen if other approaches will work. Italy of course will be the second best indicator. They are struggling to provide beds. We have to wait and see how their case count grows.
Currently, the U.S. has a 1.9% fatality rate, that's right in the middle. Unless there is undue stress on the medical system there's little reason to expect that to rise. In fact, it should fall, but we aren't yet at the apex of the initial infection rate so only time will tell.
In the mean time, take care of yourself and family, don't be a dick and buy all the TP and cans of beans your local store has, and generally just go about life. Avoid large gatherings, try to relax, and don't buy into the hysteria.
In my city, we've just had two confirmed cases. They were sent home to rest. I talked to three nurses when I stopped for a pint after work, they said they had three people die from the flu that day and the Covid 19 isn't really on their radar. Take from that what you will. I also had a meeting with project management of a hospital construction project that I oversee, they are concerned with our ICRA training, so we've had to schedule new infectious control training. OSHA has also issued interim respirator standards, meaning there are new temporary standards for half mask and full face respirators (note that two strap mask aren't included as they aren't for respiratory protection but rather blood born pathogens, don't let the make believers of the world tell you otherwise).
Keep an eye on this resource; https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
In the mean time be very critical of everything you read and hear. There's a lot of hysterics and big imaginations in this world.
Finally, the U.S. has like 25% the hospital beds of many countries, we pay twice as much for our health care. We are also only tested like 25k people, meanwhile South Korea tests like 15k a day. A pretty disappointing response for the richest nation in the world. A little introspection on the failures of our health care system seems reasonable.
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Let's not forget this about China. Early cases in December, doctors were ordered to change the official statements and claim they made an error. Cause of death was also falsified as the government attempted to suppress and cover up the existence of this virus.
Then a large social gathering in January with millions of people in close proximity sharing food occurs in the infected region. Followed by Lunar New Year where they travel out spreading the infection far and wide.
Please don't tell me about the Chinese response to this virus.
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If it keeps spreading I feel like they may shut down cities to keep it contained. Many people are acting like it’s just going to blow over I’m the next week or 2 and I don’t see that happening. I think we’re going to keep spreading it over the next week or 2 until it’s everywhere and they have to tighten down on us. Lucky I’m in the country so I don’t have near as much contact with people then in the city. I have enough food to last at least couple of months so I’m going to try to stay home as much as possible. I think the conspiracy theorists are crazy lol I don’t think this is a way for the government to take over like many are saying. Yes they are going to have to tighten down on us but it is necessary if we want to get it under control and most people will just carry on with life and continue the spreading unless the government steps in and tells them what to do. I know plenty of people that still went on vacation for spring break and said oh this is just a bunch of bullshit and it only kills 2% of people who get it so why worry? I’m over here thinking yeah I’m young and will more than likely survive this if I get it, but I don’t want to get sick and pass this on to family that’s older and not as likely to survive. I guess that’s enough rambling for me lol everyone be safe out there
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InfiniteDreams said: Let's not forget this about China. Early cases in December, doctors were ordered to change the official statements and claim they made an error. Cause of death was also falsified as the government attempted to suppress and cover up the existence of this virus.
Then a large social gathering in January with millions of people in close proximity sharing food occurs in the infected region. Followed by Lunar New Year where they travel out spreading the infection far and wide.
Please don't tell me about the Chinese response to this virus.
The US's cover up isn't much better. The CDC has admitted they aren't testing so that they can decrease the number of cases, the president requested this, he's also proposed budget cuts to the CDC.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/why-has-the-us-cdc-done-so-little-coronavirus-testing.html https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487068-trump-coronavirus-response-seen-as-threat-to-cdc-confidence https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-testing-delays-caused-in-part-by-underfunding-cdc-director-says.html https://thehill.com/policy/finance/486817-trump-budget-chief-holds-firm-on-cdc-cuts-amid-virus-outbreak
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The US wasn't prepared for an event like this in the first place, and Trump's total incompetence and stupidity has made the situation exponentially worse.
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Enkidu said: Run its course meaning what exactly?
Isnt death rate extremely low for all but the very elderly
Not really. I think the death rate is between 1.5-4% depending on demographics and health response of a region. The USA might be on the higher end because there aren't enough hospital beds, there was a slow response and there is no unified public healthcare system. With a 40-70% infection rate you could have 100,000 to millions of deaths. The economy is going to implode and most services won't be available for maybe 3 months.
Swine flu infected 59 million Americans in 2009.
If this thing is even slightly more contagious than that, and it's incubation period suggests it is, and considering the high travel period it hit China it would be easy to imagine it's infected more than 100 million people already.
Do that many tests even exist?
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: waves] 2
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waves said: The US wasn't prepared for an event like this in the first place, and Trump's total incompetence and stupidity has made the situation exponentially worse.
You are correct. That's why I mentioned our health care incompetence before. This should be a wake up call.
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waves said: The US wasn't prepared for an event like this in the first place, and Trump's total incompetence and stupidity has made the situation exponentially worse.
You are correct. That's why I mentioned our health care incompetence before. This should be a wake up call.
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Enkidu said: Run its course meaning what exactly?
Isnt death rate extremely low for all but the very elderly
Not really. I think the death rate is between 1.5-4% depending on demographics and health response of a region. The USA might be on the higher end because there aren't enough hospital beds, there was a slow response and there is no unified public healthcare system. With a 40-70% infection rate you could have 100,000 to millions of deaths. The economy is going to implode and most services won't be available for maybe 3 months.
Swine flu infected 59 million Americans in 2009.
If this thing is even slightly more contagious than that, and it's incubation period suggests it is, and considering the high travel period it hit China it would be easy to imagine it's infected more than 100 million people already.
Do that many tests even exist?
Lets say 100 million people have been infected. That makes the current death toll 0.0065%.
But that would rise. So would infections.
We just don't know. That's the scary thing. There's so much we don't know.
We also have no idea if it's one of these viruses that give the survivors complications after they recover. ie cancer risk or respiratory disease.
But it seems less scary to me because I've studied a fair bit of viruses before. We're constantly constantly constantly exchanging viruses and bacteria that can seriously hurt us. On any given year you're infected with a dozen or more.
If you're around 30+ you likely have herpes zoster, herpes simplex, esptein bar virus, Meningococcus, and human papilloma virus. That is chicken pox, oral or genital herpes, mononucleosis, meningitis, and... HPV. That virus that causes cancer in women and occasionally does extremely weird things to our immune system. Things we've barely begun to understand.
In your body, right now. And science doesn't yet know what effects that has on our bodies.
And there's tons of infections that we never know about. We only talk about the common ones we know clobber us after a period of time, like Lyme disease.
There's alot of viruses that seem to do nothing that we later end up linking disease. There's a host of diseases science believes may be bacterial or viral in origin.
There's so much we don't know in general.
And that's why science is so alarmed at anything new. Because for all we don't know about everything else we do know some things. We know almost nothing about this coronavirus. We can only speculate based on what we know of other coronaviruses. And there's alot we don't know there either.
Viruses are so scary they're not even worth being scared over. Beyond, ya know, washing your goddamn hands.
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InfiniteDreams said: Let's not forget this about China. Early cases in December, doctors were ordered to change the official statements and claim they made an error. Cause of death was also falsified as the government attempted to suppress and cover up the existence of this virus.
Then a large social gathering in January with millions of people in close proximity sharing food occurs in the infected region. Followed by Lunar New Year where they travel out spreading the infection far and wide.
Please don't tell me about the Chinese response to this virus.
The US's cover up isn't much better. The CDC has admitted they aren't testing so that they can decrease the number of cases, the president requested this, he's also proposed budget cuts to the CDC.
No argument there. The US gov't is a total shitshow.
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Thanks for all the replies, appreciate it
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My co worker just got sick and everyone here is freaking the fuck out. After 9 years of asking my employer to set shit up to work from home I just got emergency text they they are setting this shit up to work out of my home. Bong rips and working in my underwear! And my boss is like don't go outside for anything, call me and i will drop off whatever you need.
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We also have no idea if it's one of these viruses that give the survivors complications after they recover. ie cancer risk or respiratory disease.
Everyone thinks SARS is some shit that happened in 2002 or whenever, but there are people with long term complications suffering today that you never hear about and medical science has no idea how to treat them
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: viraldrome]
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Everyone thinks SARS is some shit that happened in 2002 or whenever, but there are people with long term complications suffering today that you never hear about and medical science has no idea how to treat them
Like what? Please provide sources.
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Everyone thinks SARS is some shit that happened in 2002 or whenever, but there are people with long term complications suffering today that you never hear about and medical science has no idea how to treat them
Like what? Please provide sources.
I can't find the article I'm looking for, Google news has become impossible to search for stuff on classic SARS, its all new sars for pages. Here is one source, ME = Myalgic encephalomyelitis:
"In 2003, in Toronto, Canada, a SARS epidemic infected at least 273 people. A study looked at 107 patients from this epidemic who had been in intensive care. The symptoms the study looked at are very similar to ME.
It found that one year after being infected, 17% had not returned to work due to severe post-viral symptoms persisting. Many also had ongoing health problems, even when they went back to work. In total, 87% reported still having symptoms a year later. The study did not review the patients again."
https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-analysis/2020/03/15/the-other-potential-coronavirus-catastrophe-no-one-is-talking-about/
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: viraldrome]
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I'm in quarantine with your mom.
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Everyone thinks SARS is some shit that happened in 2002 or whenever, but there are people with long term complications suffering today that you never hear about and medical science has no idea how to treat them
Like what? Please provide sources.
Just Google SARS or Coronavirus and "permanent pulmonary damage" or something along those lines.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/
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Even if death doesn’t occur, some patients survive with permanent lung damage. According to the WHO, SARS punched holes in the lungs, giving them “a honeycomb-like appearance”—and these lesions are present in those afflicted by novel coronavirus, too.
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Ahab McBathsalts said: You got about another 3 to 6 weeks of total fucking chaos. Buy food, liquor, dope, whatever stock the fuck up and stay inside.
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: Enkidu]
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Listen to this on a computer couch couch fuck your face
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Wr started a 8pm curfew type of thing where certain places are closed and gatherings arent allowed.
You think its safer to order my food online vs going to a store?
Rice, beans, canned protein, canned veggies
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Enkidu said: You think its safer to order my food online vs going to a store?
I'd think it can't be any worse at least.
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: psi]
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Right. Think ima just stop at walmart after work every day and keep adding a little bit to my stock
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Re: Covid and quarantine [Re: psi]
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Enkidu said: You think its safer to order my food online vs going to a store?
I'd think it can't be any worse at least.
Do you trust me handling it?
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