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Ps. Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box season 2. still alive.... disaster strikes
    #26535887 - 03/15/20 03:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hi there :smile:

Got a little experiment going, and from a little research it seems I may have some tomentose mycelium growth? Ps. Cyanescens from a surprise agar germination, to popcorn grain spawn, to layered mulch box. Curious if the tomentose growth is a good sign? Or if it is indeed that. Everything seems to look real fluffy like mini snow mounds. Everything smells alright, I think/hope it's going well lol



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Re: Tomentose mycelium? Ps. Cyanescens mulch box [Re: Zenn]
    #26535890 - 03/15/20 03:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Kinda looks like it wants to Blob!

But does look clean but I am new

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Re: Tomentose mycelium? Ps. Cyanescens mulch box [Re: Zenn]
    #26535990 - 03/15/20 05:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

that looks super clean to me!!  Are all Ps. Cyanescens like that at this stage (someone else can tell me)?


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Re: Tomentose mycelium? Ps. Cyanescens mulch box [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26537733 - 03/16/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks. Tbh I've been quite lucky getting this to this point. I've also never seen such fluffy growth before! So just wanted to be sure it was ok. I guess time will tell.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn] * 1
    #26541243 - 03/17/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Here are a couple more pics of the formation development. I find it really interesting. So fluffy



The mulch (aimed for high lignin from more than chips) :
Dried oak leaves
Oak chips
Oak bark
Oak sawdust
Coir
Vermiculite
Oat bran
Tortoise food "meadow mix" (dried readi grass, nettle, dandelions other meadow greens and flowers).

"Casing":
Coir
Worm castings
Vermiculite
Pine cone bits
Pine bark
Pine needles
Mixed dried leaves (oak, birch, beech)

The wood etc was boiled and the dried leaves and grass etc was pasteurized then they were mixed together. I did try to case it with a layer of worm casting, coir, pine cone bits, pine needles, mixed dried leaves like it would have in a forest area but it ate it's way through that too haha.

I wonder if I should put a layer damp vermiculite on top once its fully colonised the top..


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26541281 - 03/17/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

There’s a whole thread on pans.

I’m just starting them myself, I was told to isolate thinner wispy growth on agar, because super puffy myc tends to do crazy overlay and never fruit.

But it looks like with all those rhizo fingers it should pin.

What are you fruiting it in?


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: A.k.a]
    #26541290 - 03/17/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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There’s a whole thread on pans.

I’m just starting them myself, I was told to isolate thinner wispy growth on agar, because super puffy myc tends to do crazy overlay and never fruit.

But it looks like with all those rhizo fingers it should pin.

What are you fruiting it in?




These are not pans they are psilocybe cyanescens. A wood lover. So far colonizing aggressively in an unmodified tub. I'm trying to do them indoor but replicating an environment they may have in nature. Also right now in this country it's cold enough to keep in my pantry or in a room if the window is open


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26543811 - 03/19/20 02:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Decided to put a layer of vermiculite over the mycelium since it's basically a big white brick now. I will be very pleased if I manage to get this to fruit. I have it in my pantry next to open window, which is between 7°C and 10°C most of the time. At night gets down to 5°C or below. We shall see if the fruit favours its growing conditions as much as the mycelium did.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26543818 - 03/19/20 02:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hope it works out for you! I've never had much luck with wood lovers indoors

I've always had them colonize aggressively but never had any luck with the fruiting indoors


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26543852 - 03/19/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks :smile: yeah haha apparently they are a challenge. I just have a sort of gut feeling for the direction I took up till this point.

Including while they were colonizing before I "cased" they were in temps of 23°c to 26°c range. Then after casting  were kept in another room at between 10 and 15°C. Did an ice mist using a humidifier, straining bag and ice. I did move them to the pantry briefly before, then I realised it was consuming the casing more than anticipated likely due to the worm castings. So did take it back into the 10 to 15 temp room until the pics above. Its now got a layer of vermiculite to try and keep the moisture level and I think today the temps are below 10°C which should be hopefully good temps for primordia (if I remember correctly from waylitjim's posts).

I guess I am up for a challenge as I am currently trying this indoor and Psilocybe semilanceata indoor started on cakes. If I can get these projects to work I will be very happy :laugh:


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26543882 - 03/19/20 03:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Send a brother a print if you succeed w either !!


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26543899 - 03/19/20 04:21 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26543944 - 03/19/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I see 2 different types of mycelia/ Don't you think that it is going to overlay?

I wish you will get great experience and harvest. :thumbup:
And i wish to get few prints too :rolleyes:

I am not sure if you know growing parameters of Ps. Cyanescens... just in case:

Spawn Run:
Incubation Temperature: 65-75° F. (18-24° C.)
Relative Humidity: 95-100%
Duration: 45-60 days
C02: >5 000 ppm
FreshAir Exchanges: 0-1
Light Requirements: n/a

Primordia Formation:
Initiation Temperature: 45-55° F. (7-13° C.)
Relative Humidity: 95-100%
Duration: 10-14 days
C02: 1000-2000 ppm
Fresh Air Exchanges: 2-4 or as needed.
Light Requirements: 400-800 lux.

Fruitbody Development:
Temperature: 50-65° F. (10-18° C.)
Relative Humidity: 90-95%
Duration: 10-20 days.
C02: 1000-2000 ppm
Fresh Air Exchanges: 2-4 or as needed
Light Requirements: 400-800 lux.

Cropping Cycle:
2 crops, 3-4 weeks apart.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Hamsabala]
    #26543993 - 03/19/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I see 2 different types of mycelia/ Don't you think that it is going to overlay?

I wish you will get great experience and harvest. :thumbup:
And i wish to get few prints too :rolleyes:

I am not sure if you know growing parameters of Ps. Cyanescens... just in case:

Spawn Run:
Incubation Temperature: 65-75° F. (18-24° C.)
Relative Humidity: 95-100%
Duration: 45-60 days
C02: >5 000 ppm
FreshAir Exchanges: 0-1
Light Requirements: n/a

Primordia Formation:
Initiation Temperature: 45-55° F. (7-13° C.)
Relative Humidity: 95-100%
Duration: 10-14 days
C02: 1000-2000 ppm
Fresh Air Exchanges: 2-4 or as needed.
Light Requirements: 400-800 lux.

Fruitbody Development:
Temperature: 50-65° F. (10-18° C.)
Relative Humidity: 90-95%
Duration: 10-20 days.
C02: 1000-2000 ppm
Fresh Air Exchanges: 2-4 or as needed
Light Requirements: 400-800 lux.

Cropping Cycle:
2 crops, 3-4 weeks apart.





Yes thank you I was aware of temp ranges :smile: I found waylitjim fall cyanescens thread on another site.
Thank you for adding it, always good to have more notes. And the light info very useful input.

As for the mycelium formations I am quite unfamiliar with it. So please tell me about overlay?

Basically the story of this mulch box was I had been trying to get grain spawn with little success. One day I noticed an old malt agar plate I tried to germinate spore on MONTHS previously, I was going to throw it out as I thought it inactive, it now had white fuzz. So I watched and it soon took off on the agar just by pure luck I reckon. It sure took it's time! I had less Impressive growth on other potato/wood agar that was older (I still have them just incase) but decided to use this plate. Out of the jars I managed to knock up from it this was the healthiest growth by far and surprisingly never contaminated like all the rest.

Its growth although fluffy I have observed it to be heavily rhizomorphic as its eaten it's way through the mulch. Little fingers always greedily grabbing.
It seems where the sort of hexagonal shapes are it's like that's rhizomes? That have met? But I am unfamiliar with this kind of formation so any advice I will gladly listen to.
I may have bitten off more than I can chew for my level of experience, but I want to try best I can to help these little dudes fruit seeing as they just randomly sprung to life on a previously thought dead agar... I took it as a sign hahaha


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26544025 - 03/19/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Here is where I keep it right now. I have a komodo hygrometer/thermometer attached to the lid. The sides of the box are lightly raised by folded gloves to allow air. (Not the most glamorous I know haha but its clean)



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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26544096 - 03/19/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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As for the mycelium formations I am quite unfamiliar with it. So please tell me about overlay?





Overlay
A condition of the casing where mycelium been allowed to completely cover the surface. Overlay is caused by prolonged vegetative growth temperatures, high CO2 levels and excessive humidity. Overlay, if overwatered, becomes matted.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Hamsabala]
    #26544109 - 03/19/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ah, ok thank you. I didn't know about this. How do you think it will be effected by the thin layer of vermiculite I added to the top? It was almost fully white on the top but I put about 1cm of vermiculite  on last night..


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26544154 - 03/19/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Ah, ok thank you. I didn't know about this. How do you think it will be effected by the thin layer of vermiculite I added to the top? It was almost fully white on the top but I put about 1cm of vermiculite  on last night..




Looks like time to form primordia and fruiting then.
I never use vermiculite. So i don't know.
Overlay can affect further fruiting and decrease one.
I believe, that hardwood sawdust and wood chips, especially alder, oak, birch, and beech are better for supporting fruiting.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Hamsabala]
    #26544170 - 03/19/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

This is true. I have been using mostly oak. However I wasnt sure if I add more wood, if it would just try to eat that too like it did with the casing. Or would perhaps coir and bark be better I wonder as I did think they needed something chunky to grow next to/from


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26544196 - 03/19/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

According Paul Stamets
"Heliotropic and primarily preferring deciduous woods, especially in riparian habitats, these mushrooms fruit in the fall. Possibly a saprophyte of fir seed cones, they show a particular fondness for the decorative mulch ("beauty bark") used in landscaping around newly constructed buildings."

So mulch | sawdust | wood chips + soil | peat | coir for cover layer looks good.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Hamsabala]
    #26544249 - 03/19/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Which is what I sort of tried to do before! So this time I have just mixed some coir, verm, pine needles, pine cone pieces, dry leaves and not added the worm castings. They seemed to like that too much last time.
I have also left the mix fairly dry since I already put a damp layer of verm last night. Let's see if they will take the hint that its fruiting time or if they will just continue to eat anything I put in the box haha


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26544314 - 03/19/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Let's see if they will take the hint that its fruiting time or if they will just continue to eat anything I put in the box haha




My thoughts...
Cover mycelium and continue Phase Spawn Run:
Incubation Temperature: 65-75° F. (18-24° C.)
Relative Humidity: 95-100%
FreshAir Exchanges: 0-1 volume per hour
Light Requirements: without light

When mycelium will cover 30-40% of substrate surface activate Phase Primordia Formation


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Hamsabala]
    #26545644 - 03/19/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you :smile:

I will add that it has actually been in the cooler temp range for the last 2 weeks, so I was surprised that it colonised the original casing so fast.
How would moving it back to spawn run temps effect it now it's been between primordia/fruit temps for about 2 and a half weeks?
Here is how it looked on 1st of March when I gave it the worm cast/mulch casing:




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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26545827 - 03/20/20 03:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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it has actually been in the cooler temp range for the last 2 weeks



Oh. My plan is no good then.
As you see, mycelium on photo in your first post and mycelium on March 1st photo are different. Time to switch from spawn run to primordia formation. Low temp and FAE


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Hamsabala]
    #26545877 - 03/20/20 05:03 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's ok. That's what I thought since if ended up fully colonizing the last layer even with the cooler temps. So have left it in the room with the window. Last night it got very cold 3.3°C so this may help with the addition of new top layer. *crosses fingers* hopefully it might see the new drier (but not dry) layer is the surface. I guess we now wait and see...
Will leave it another day or 2 before I mist new layer.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26545964 - 03/20/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

i am watching with huge interest and wish you luck

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... and Psilocybe semilanceata indoor started on cakes.



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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Hamsabala]
    #26545991 - 03/20/20 07:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Hamsabala said:
i am watching with huge interest and wish you luck

Quote:

... and Psilocybe semilanceata indoor started on cakes.



How is going with that ones?




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26541144

They are only 1 and a half weeks old so far, but a little bigger and a little whiter than the other day. :smile:


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26551745 - 03/22/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

After the new drier top layer the other day, we seem to have some fuzz trying to come up round the edges



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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26552149 - 03/23/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hungry mycelium


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Hamsabala]
    #26568641 - 03/31/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Pic update.:



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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26569116 - 03/31/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Great progress
What is your next step?


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Hamsabala]
    #26580231 - 04/05/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well I have it in the pantry still, next to open window. It is coldest room as it is same temps as outdoors. Recently the highest daytime (today) was about 15.5°c and tonight it is 14°C (warmer than usual). to be fair I had tried to start fruiting phase when I started this thread lol. But we added that extra layer...and it has eaten through it again...even though it has been in low temps. To be honest I dont rightly know what else to do at this stage apart from wait and see what happens. Temps and humidity are usually in the lower range so right temps for primordial conditions... so maybe I try upping fanning a little


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26581811 - 04/06/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have read an interesting grow report about Ps. Cyanescens. It is translated on Russian and i haven't found the original. It says there - do 24 hours cold shock (2-5 °С) before fruiting, make 10+°С after.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Hamsabala]
    #26581965 - 04/06/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Good to know thank you. I did try to do this when I started this thread. Used the cold room (it was colder then) and an ice mist, but since adding another layer etc it probably wouldn't hurt to try again. I wonder if laying 6+ ice cubes on the surface could help mimic a frosty evening? Luckily the temperature has dropped back to 10°C this evening. Maybe lower later.

Pretty sure it has practically fully colonised the top now as it is sooo white. Very hungry mycelium just eats anything I have put down. I'm curious if trying vermiculite layer again could help ...as I dont think it would eat that... but at this rate who knows haha


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26583186 - 04/07/20 03:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Short try
2cm soil layer - cold shock - fruiting

Long try
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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Hamsabala]
    #26583777 - 04/07/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm... I think definitely cold shock. But every time I add soil or coir or new mulch it just eats it.
The grass seed is interesting idea, using that sort of method for my Ps. Semilanceata.


I have put a fairly thin layer of verm on the top of the mycelium, in the hop this will help as it is not nutritious and helps keep moisture on the surface. If there is no food left for it, it will hopefully think "ok, full colonisation complete...". Full colonisation is the first trigger for fruiting.

I did this thin layer of verm on a Ps. Cubensis  (GT) tub and it was successful. So maybe?

I had to move it off the window ledge to the cold stone floor as the sun was quite warm coming through the window today.


I have a second side to the Cyanescens project... I have attempted to save my other box. A few weeks back I cut out the healthiest part and broke it up into new box, picking out any new infection I found. It healed well. The growth is very different and more like the usual cyanescens fingers/rhizo. Last night I checked the old tub. Big part was black and hairy! Never seen black hair like that before! But I cut it aside and I find SO MUCH HEALTHY RHIZO MYCELIUM since last time. So I attempted surgery to remove as much infected bits while breaking the "clean" myc up and mixing it with the other healthy part I saved. The house Reeked of mushroom last night from the surgery hahaha!


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26583830 - 04/07/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

i hope you have some mycelium in fridge for preserving ))


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Hamsabala]
    #26586673 - 04/08/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have a very clear Liquid culture in the fridge as well as some agar germinated spores.

Today I initiate cold shock for this as the box JUST fits in my fridge :smile: (just to be clear this box is nice and healthy. No contamination)

The second box I will check in a day or 2 for recovery and infection after the "surgery" and transplanting.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26599240 - 04/13/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'd like to add to this thread that part of the inspiration for the used methods was from an indoor grow for Ps. Azurescens

https://www.shroomery.org/8702/Psilocybe-azurescens-indoor-cultivation

As well as 2005 Waylit Jim Ps. Cyanescens grows.


As for progress report, we are just waiting now after applying the wet vermiculite. We likely gonna be waiting a little while before we see anything.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26600688 - 04/14/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Hamsabala]
    #26601459 - 04/14/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Very curious to see how this works out. I am prepping some Ps Cyanescens and Ps Azurescens for an outdoor patch but I just swabbed plates a few days ago so it be too late to get it started at this rate. Would love to know if indoor is possible.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Roundabout]
    #26601876 - 04/15/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So far so good. But it may well end up going the way of many other indoor attempts where it aborts or nothing happens. From all my research it seems that colonisation usually goes fine but trying to get them to pin is the challenge when indoors. Outdoors is meant to be far easier. But some have had a bit of success using glass door refrigerators set to the right temps and such, like the link in my last post on this thread (only 2 or 3 posts back if you want to have a look. Useful info.)

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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26682467 - 05/20/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Late update. So, it seems things are going well as the mycelium has come up through the verm but not as aggressive as it was with the previous casing attempts. May have dried slightly at one point as a slight bluing occurred but in general ot still smells good. No obvious primordia visible though (likely as expected) but the main problem I've experienced is the temperature now is a bit higher than is desired. 15°C to 18°C during the day :frown: to be fair I had hoped to be at this stage the first time I tried to case it back when I started this thread lol. But it saw it as food. I should have just used the verm back then. I have read there MIGHT be a chance they could still grow but it would be much slower. Really wish I had a glass front fridge. One would be hella useful right now.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26714671 - 06/02/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Pics update. With the warmer weather the mycelium was drying a little on the top with the layer of vermiculite. Buy I noticed some finger creeping up from the corner grasping a small piece of wood. So to try help keep more moisture on the top I added a very fine layer of oak bark chips. Seems to be responding. As for the heat right now, cant expect fruiting any time soon. If I can get a mini fridge with a glass door that could be good. But I'm gonna try keep this box happy.
Wet look is due to just after misting.


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    #26778096 - 06/23/20 11:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: Zenn]
    #26778484 - 06/24/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Place holder to watch progress. I’m rooting for you! So much work and patience!


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    #26805970 - 07/05/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you ^_^ really just winging it at this point. For a first time with this particular fungi, I think its maybe going well since nothing catastrophic has happened yet. I find it interesting how the formation has changed from the original fluffy/puffy looking to rhizomorphic fingers. be very lucky if this works out.


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    #26816533 - 07/11/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

BABY PIC UPDATE!

Sorry for the caps I'm just real excited. Last few days I've had the problem of finding 1 or 2 fungus gnats in the box. So have been spraying with 3% hydrogen peroxide to keep them at bay or to stop any eggs that may be left.
So today I went to check and there were 3 flies in the box. Decided to haul the big brick out of the box to take down the plastic and give it a good spritz all over with the HP......and to my surprise I found all these little guys! At first I thought the 1st ones were eggs but then I was like....wait....that's too big to be an egg for that fly... gave it a poke and a closer look and found more popping up. Even a couple with a tiny brown head!

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    #26817009 - 07/11/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

 


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    #26819924 - 07/12/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

As for the gnats, each day there are 1 or 2 in the box. They are either getting in because there is an open window near it, or there could be eggs. I'm not very sure. I'm not sure what to do about them. I am about to try hanging a little fly paper/tape in there to catch any that enter hopefully. If anyone has any advice on fungus gnat protection it would be much appreciated.

So far changed the box liner. Hoping the paper will help keep them out of the myc. Wee buggers. Doesnt help that it's a very buggy time of year. Alot of normal flies and other things going about.


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    #26819962 - 07/12/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Zenn said:
As for the gnats, each day there are 1 or 2 in the box. They are either getting in because there is an open window near it, or there could be eggs. I'm not very sure. I'm not sure what to do about them. I am about to try hanging a little fly paper/tape in there to catch any that enter hopefully. If anyone has any advice on fungus gnat protection it would be much appreciated.

So far changed the box liner. Hoping the paper will help keep them out of the myc. Wee buggers. Doesnt help that it's a very buggy time of year. Alot of normal flies and other things going about.




Place a small cup with a mixture of apple cider vinegar and a drop of dish soap near your tubs. Cover it with plastic and poke tiny holes in the plastic, they will go in and they will drown in the vinegar. It’s way sweeter and more attracting than the tubs I’m sure.

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    #26819975 - 07/12/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Huh, I dont know why I didnt think of that! I usually do that for fruit flies in the kitchen. Thank you.

Question though what if they are actually inside the brick, like if there are eggs in the box and they hatch, would a vinegar trap attract them out of the box away from the myc? Or would I maybe put a little vinegar tub in the box?


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    #26819985 - 07/12/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Huh, I dont know why I didnt think of that! I usually do that for fruit flies in the kitchen. Thank you.

Question though what if they are actually inside the brick, like if there are eggs in the box and they hatch, would a vinegar trap attract them out of the box away from the myc? Or would I maybe put a little vinegar tub in the box?




That I am not too sure about, I have had success catching them that way beforehand but I don’t have anything colonizing openly or fruiting yet so def wait for some more opinions


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    #26820025 - 07/12/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Well, no harm in at least having one of those at least in the room. I dont have apple cider vinegar  but have malt vinegar, honey and liquid soap which should do the trick.  It may be ok to have a jar inside the box as long as its stable as I already know vinegar kills myc. But like you say will wait and see what other opinions are, what other things could help keep the wee beasties at bay. So far there only appears to be a little metabolites due to the top layer of bark or a couple other wooden parts but in general the whole thing is a white brick. No other obvious nasty contamination


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    #26820036 - 07/12/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I read the only way to rid the substrate of eggs would be to submerge it overnight


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    #26820049 - 07/12/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Noted. Hopefully it doesnt have eggs. But I just wonder since I keep finding them inside the box. But not enough at once for me to consider it infested. If i cant stop them with the traps and number grow i might well submerge it. Trying to think of methods now before their numbers get worse. Have read they can be a pain in the ass when theres alot of them


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Re: Fungus gnats [Re: Zenn]
    #26820066 - 07/12/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I recently had my first gnat experience.

Saw a tiny fly running around the surface one day and killed it, then few days later there were tiny maggots on the wall and my sub was oozing gross shit like crazy.



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    #26820104 - 07/12/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oof. Well luckily so far I havent seen any maggots. As soon as I spotted more after the initial one I changed the liner incase there were eggs. There may still be as they like damp soily places. There has been the odd little yellow bead of water but it is clear and yellow. Not like what you posted there yet.
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    #26820107 - 07/12/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Had to toss it. I sprayed the area I thought the maggots were coming from with iso and didn’t see anything for a few days so I thought I got them. I still kept the lid on and moved it to the garage and then I went again after a couple more days to check and there were a bunch of flies in it.


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    #26820121 - 07/12/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ah that sucks I'm sorry that happened. I'm hoping to try keep them at bay. I decided to pop a little jar in the box with a vinegar, honey, soap trap but in a ramekin that's light, low and wont fall over. I've had great success using such a trap in the kitchen for fruit flies. If this is a really bad idea however and someone thinks I should take it out I will.
The reason i think it could be ok though for an object on top of the substrate, the wavy caps do seem to like growing up from beneath sticks and other things so maybe it wont mind the ramekin.  I figure as long as the vinegar doesnt touch the myc in any way it should be ok?
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    #26820856 - 07/13/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, today still a couple gnats in box so I'm guessing eggs/larvae hiding perhaps in the worm castings used in a lower casing level. I have removed the jar and just submerged the brick in its tub with water and 3% hydrogen peroxide (the only strength I have rn). 4 litres of water and had to weigh down the brick, so decided to wrap it in its liner to reduce possible surface damage. Water on the inside and outside of the liner. Need to try down any wee buggers hiding in there before trying any more drastic measures that might harm myc.

Quick edit: having an idea that might help me here due to it being ps cyanescens we have...... cooling the room seems even more important right now, since they love the cold and gnats do not. Gnats like it above 20°C and our little brick here likes it right down to about 4°C ....


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    #26820912 - 07/13/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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    #26820965 - 07/13/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Normally for cubensis I do brf cakes to bulk. Never had gnat problems with them before. Yet.
I'm sure this has happened due to not all of the casings being PC before hand on purpose. Cooling down the box could help evict the flies and help the cyanescens to fruit.
There is slight possibility to save this, even if it is very slight.

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    #26821400 - 07/13/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Captain future uses them for most of his grows. I have yet to fruit caerulescens or zap but they are about 45 days in with no rams in a myco bag


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    #26825510 - 07/15/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Noted, will look into it.

Well, I gave the brick about 16 hour soak in water and hp. I have a fan in the room now, a small dish with sugarless vanilla extract inside the box (gnats apparently hate the smell of vanilla), some fly tape inside and outside the box and the vinegar, honey, soap trap outside the box. Hopefully these things help.

Back to the waiting game. Since we did see the little primordia, I take that as a good sign. The temperatures have been roughly 16°C at night and between 18°C and 20°C during the day. I didnt expect to see any form yet because of the temps.


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    #26827530 - 07/16/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Couple more adjustments. I think it's more a matter of flies getting in the open window being drawn to the light and then smell the box. So far I havent seen any larvae, but considering they are tiny that's not a surprise.
So until I get some micropore tape tomorrow to cover all entrances to the box, I've stuck the box in the fridge. it JUST fits and basically no room for anything else in there lol. If then we still have gnats I will try to keep it in the fridge as they will be far less active at low temperatures that this myc loves. If need be I will find a way of giving light inside the fridge. If it wasnt for the fact I need to use the fridge for food storage at times I'd just have had the box in there from the start.


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    #26831666 - 07/18/20 11:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, so it looks like we might be in the clear for the gnats :smile: it was kept in the fridge, temp inside the box kept at about 8°C for about 24 hours if not a little longer. Micropore taped up the 4 openings in the lid and right around the rim of the box, and kept back on the shelf in the pantry and using the fan. When it was time to mist I untaped and took brick out to inspect for signs of gnats. So far all appears to be ok. Also noticed maybe 1 or 2 more little primordia :smile: will not be removing it again unless I see any signs where that action would be required. With fan, temps have been kept at around 18.5°C day time and 15°C or less at night.

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    #26835291 - 07/21/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So after the gnat faffery, we seem good. Update pics, some little primordia.

Sidenote: the pics of primordia from the other day unfortunately due to what I did for gnat prevention some of them aborted. But seems there are still little ones coming :smile: I decided to add the dry oak leaves in a thin layer on top because of how the primordia are forming on the side near the top but next to the bin liner so humidity there is better. Now use a mister/fogger instead of spray bottle since the leaves been added.



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    #26857984 - 08/01/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Been reading more grows and outdoor patches etc.
Something I'd thought about before this was even colonised grain, was if I should or shouldn't use live moss ontop of the casing. I have found grows on shroomery where people have used sphagnum moss, and seem to yield some success.
After recent heat, the top of this brick/cake/block seems to struggle. Bluing occurs on the fresher growth especially if it accidentally gets too hot (usually when it's been nearer the window when the sun has come round and in the window a bit.)
So, I am thinking it could actually be best to replace the leaves with live moss instead since it holds alot of water.

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    #26858078 - 08/02/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I see bobwastaken had used live moss on a couple of his woodlover flower pots before.  Wanted to try this with a few of my patches as well so curious what everyone's opinion will be on this too.  Good work sticking with your project this long and achieving primordia btw!  :rockon:


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    #26858408 - 08/02/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you very much :smile:
I think luck has alot to do with it hahaha! And since the mycelium isnt giving up on me, I didnt and wont give up on them. Just been trying to "listen" to what it wants or what could make it happier. I was very surprised to find the primordia.

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    #26861882 - 08/04/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm telling you I've made up my mind to try live moss on my next quebecensis attempt.  Spawn is almost ready for round 2.  :awegroove:


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box, so far [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26861923 - 08/04/20 02:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah pretty sure I'm gonna give it a try. Have managed to source some sphagnum moss, when its here I will give it a good soak and check for bugs before I add it to the box. I think at most add a very fine layer of damp coir before adding the moss? to be fair tho the moss would likely sit happily on it as is, from what I remember of moss tufts that grew on my old roof, it was slate, all they needed was the rain water.

Nice one on the spawn btw ^_^ haha had to google the name, havent heard of that one yet, thank you for the introduction!


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    #26865521 - 08/05/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So, i have now added the moss carpet. First I removed the leaves that were left (I had removed over half of the leaves from the layer pictured above a day or so after making that layer). Shredded up the leaves and mixed with some coir from a plant pot that had dried out, dampened and applied to the top of the brick. It was just enough to give cover before applying the moss. The type of moss I got, the process was a little more tedious than i thought it would be but hopefully i have planted it well enough on the surface. Have a lot more moss left over so might use it for an outdoor moss garden or something lol

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    #26865552 - 08/05/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Looks pretty good.  I like your plan.  Can't wait to see your next update.:popcorn:


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    #26916535 - 09/03/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Update: indeed primordia and pins have begun! Discovered when I took the brick out of the box to look for gnat damage, but not seeing anything. When the bag was taken down from the side I saw quite a lot of pin formations with little brown tips! Next time I inspect I will he sure to have my camera handy so I can show pics of the progress. Just didnt want to disturb the box again incase I harmed the pins. So far not noticing any in the top where the moss is. But time will tell.

So. fucking. happy.

*happy dance *

(Small side note, from reading waylitjim 2005 grow rough estimate for first pickable fruits would be maybe 14 days from the stage they are at right now.) Will update with pics ASAP. Really excited to show you guys.


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    #26921239 - 09/06/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Here we have some little ones peeking up to say hello. What looked like 1 turns put to be a small cluster *excited face *

(*facepalm * forgot the pics 1st time )




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    #26921295 - 09/06/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

:creepylurker:
That's awesome, bud. :rockon:  Looks like that moss payed dividends holding surface conditions for ya.  Good gamble.


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    #26921347 - 09/06/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you very much :smile: so excited!

Additional small update on equipment:
I added drainage holes to 2 of the corners of the main box and placed it into another box to catch any excess liquid/myc pee etc.
Drilled holes around the top of the bin liner after rolling it down to allow better light. This was after discovering all the new little formations basically all around the sides. Unsure yet if there are any on the top, but they could be hiding under the surface.

Gnats:
Basically this box is like the hottest night club in town for gnats. However, they do not appear to be causing problems. A few times a day I will check the box, once I had to remove some eggs from the moss, but apart from finding some mating in there and the odd few running about in the moss, I dont have any problems. (Tbh the substrate is at least 8 inches deep and a completely white block, think they'd have a hard time eating it all haha *touch wood *)
Point being I basically cant stop the gnats from getting in. But so far not a problem. Just pick them out as I find them and hope for the best.


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    #26925365 - 09/08/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

More pics :smile:
Also noticed the first to come say hello from the top of the substrate :laugh:



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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: Zenn]
    #26925399 - 09/08/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Great work, and an entertaining read.  Getting cyans to fruit indoors is a feat.

I have several outside beds now that I have cultivated.  My experience is that there is no need for a fancy mix.  Mine are very aggressive at consuming alder chips with no additives. This is true of azures and cyans.  I have a source for sawmill chips, which are pretty big, and they love those.  I don't have any thing on top of them, though I let leaves accumulate.  They grow to just below the top level of chips.  The chips are now about six inches deep. I am in the Pacific Northwest, local growing climate 8b

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    #26928928 - 09/10/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you, it's been an entertaining few months so far to say the least haha! I was lucky to obtain a spore print so I gave it my best shot.

Oooooh those are some nice pics :smile: thank you for sharing!
I'd love to do an outdoor patch, but where I am I cant really do that. So is partly why I chose to try the indoor project. Where I am (UK), the weather here is about mushroom season for the likes of ps. Semilanceata and ps. Cyanescens. So the temps right now are practically perfect in the pantry for this box. I'm very excited to see what happens


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    #26935472 - 09/14/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

More pics :smile:



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    #26940985 - 09/17/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Progress pics. They seem to love clustering. So many other patches I cant take pics of yet, tbh looks like this brick could erupt :smile:



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    #26941826 - 09/18/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Nice job :cheers:


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    #26945530 - 09/20/20 05:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks :smile:

I have made a small mistake, but easily recovered. I had been misting too often, which resulted in a couple of the fruits to have over soft tip to the cap. Yesterday was a particularly sunny day and I wasnt able to move the box away from the window. A couple that had soft tip ended up in the sun for a little while, but today it just seems that the sun shrivelled the soft tips but the rest of the cap is ok. Everything else all seems in order as before.
Luckily I had stopped over misting once I noticed a small very translucent tip on 2 small caps. I realised I had been misting far too often, so stopped and only mist when it rains outside or when the moss is looking real dry. I will upload pics of the caps mentions here later.


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    #26946058 - 09/20/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

In the wild ive seen sun dried caps, rehydrate and continue to grow as well as frozen blue, thaw and continue to grow.

I tried  to find some examples. Didn't do very well.


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    #26946815 - 09/20/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the examples. Here are a couple pics of the caps. One I think is dying as it has a bluing stipe now. But the others appear to be ok. I think the bigger ones will continue to grow



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    #26951832 - 09/23/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Some updated pics of the progress. Hope I'm not posting too many, let me know haha. I think I have 2 aborts but the rest seem to be flourishing. :grin::mushroom2:




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    #26953583 - 09/24/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thats an awesome read brother.

And GD thats a utopia OMRivers


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    #26953734 - 09/25/20 12:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks :smile: if you haven't yet, you should look up waylitjim's grows. I found his fall 2005 cyans thread to be a big inspiration for this, aswell as others of course. (Sorry if repeating myself lol)

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    #26957921 - 09/27/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry if I'm a bit snap happy. The progress is just so beautiful to watch.



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    #26957943 - 09/27/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Wow bro! Nice job!

Fucking bravo!!!


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    #26957997 - 09/27/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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    #26958307 - 09/28/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah those are beautiful keep em coming.

Really makes me want to do one of these. I got two months til it’s cold here I might have time still.


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    #26959117 - 09/28/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks :smile: and will for sure keep updates coming.

Maybe you could get one started, I'd say why not try? And if it isnt wanting to fruit when cooler where you are, at least you got a head start on a box or patch for next year?

To be fair I'd tried for a scenario like that when I started this thread....the myc had different ideas:rofl:


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    #26961307 - 09/30/20 12:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I have now picked a few. Had to pick some a bit early due to dark shading starting on some of the caps. I didnt want to just leave them to get worse.
Could be due to previous over misting, or the fact most of the affected ones seemed to be connected to a small abort in the cluster? I know they can be prone to bacterial infection as they mature. Will be keeping an eye out for that happening to some others. Felt bad about having to pick some smaller ones that were attached to clusters.




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    #26961311 - 09/30/20 12:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You could just cut the ones your picking and leave the smaller ones. Thats how they grow in nature. from my experience there's often varying size/age in a cluster. i just cut the done ones and leave the pins that are connected to grow.


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    #26961316 - 09/30/20 01:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ah thanks. That's what I had intended to do, some in a cluster had started to get the dark patch so I just took the cluster. Should have better scissors soon so hopefully will be easier to leave the smaller ones where they are. Ones I have weren't the best shape to get in there delicately. I guess I panicked a little with the dark Marks. But from what I found while I took these up, there are plenty of little ones starting under the moss :smile: might have to try thin the moss out a little


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    #26961318 - 09/30/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Good job. wasn't putting you down at all, just a suggestion.


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    #26961346 - 09/30/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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    #26964313 - 10/01/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Any ideas what it is that causes the gradual blackening? Usualy from what I've noticed, it tends to start in the very tip of the cap or like a ring around the tip. I had to pick a few more of my smaller ones due to tip colour change, as some of the others that I left before got stunted growth or aborted. Others are ok for now and the box seems to have lots of little pins hiding under the moss. But if possible I'd like to try stop this cap issue. When I see signs of it I just pick them now before they get too bad.

Also been managing to just cut them, got a wave curved pair of aquarium scissors.

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    #26965082 - 10/02/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

could just be bruising? azzie are known to bruise black(usually the stem).

Over watering is also an idea.

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    #26966040 - 10/02/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ah so it could well be water logged. Guess i was a bit overzealous with the misting of the moss to start with :frown: A couple of the most recent ones I picked I sat them on card for a while before moving them to be dried and the card had little wet patches left from the cut stipes.
Like it seems to appear as a shadow/light bruise on the tip that gradually developed darker in hours or a day etc. But seems darker than blue, more black than a bruise.

Not sure how I can stop it from happening, I do have drainage holes in the box, maybe I just keep away from misting the moss and them for as long as possible. I've had to pick out a good few little aborts, which is a shame. But at the same time from what I have seen this box has no shortage of primordia that want to get growing hahah.

But any ideas on how I could reduce the water content more would be greatly appreciated also. I dont want to fuck this up


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    #26966686 - 10/02/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Here are some examples, the pictures are a little lighter than what they look like to the eye. As you can see from the pics it starts on the cap but there doesn't appear to be anything on the stipe. It is happening to fruits of all sizes. Is this waterlogged? Or could it be something else?

Also is it best to let them grow to see if they do, even if that means the darkening gets worse? Or should I harvest all the afflicted in hopes that it stops? Any advice here is greatly appreciated :smile:



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    #26966706 - 10/02/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I must say, good job man!

you don't see this very often.

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    #26966780 - 10/02/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

My only thoughts ATM(Sorry my mind is elsewhere), The little guys are my preferred. best bang for your buck. Nothing compares to freshly cyans who's cap hasn't opened. Potent, Most Potent for sure!

My favorite size.

Sorry i have nothing of value to add. (Opinion) Just eat them, Be thankful and proud you rocked this shit. Therese so many factors,peramiter,variables,ect...Pardon my spelling.

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    #26966797 - 10/03/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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I must say, good job man!

you don't see this very often.

big ups.




Thanks very much :grin::mushroom2:


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Sorry i have nothing of value to add. (Opinion) Just eat them, Be thankful and proud you rocked this shit. Therese so many factors,peramiter,variables,ect...Pardon my spelling.

Great job is what i am trying to say, Great Work.




Your input has had more value than you may realise :smile: I greatly appreciate it. To know the smaller are more bang for your buck is useful hahaha :smile: and I am very proud of how this has turned out.

I am very grateful for everyone's support, interest  and input in this project

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    #26966798 - 10/03/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

roughly can u put a time frame from start to finish?


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    #26966806 - 10/03/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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roughly can u put a time frame from start to finish?




As in from before I started this thread? Umm...let me think. I obtained a wild cyan print roughly mid November 2019. Made some agar dishes that didnt seem to take. Eventually they were put in a discard pile I was later to throw out. Eventually saw 1 with a big white puff one day, so exact dates I cant quite say for this point. Going to give rough estimate of putting agar to grain maybe late december/early january. The mulch box was put together in its initial layers on the 2nd of February, I wrote date on the box.

So maybe between 10 and 11 months
I hope this helps give a better idea for full timeframe? I do wish I had more accurate dates


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    #26966924 - 10/03/20 03:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

What is the appeal of growing Cyanescens beyond mycological interest? Is it different from Cubensis?


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    #26966951 - 10/03/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You really need to try some if you get the chance. Potent!


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    #26967012 - 10/03/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Different species have pretty unique trips and pretty much all of them are much more potent than cubes.

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26967084 - 10/03/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: eatyualive]
    #26967096 - 10/03/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Really fucking awesome work man! I think this is the first successful Ps. Cyan thread i've ever seen, i had chalked it up to being unachievable indoors. Looking forward to hearing about you eating the fruits of your labor :loveheart:


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
    #26967711 - 10/03/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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What is the appeal of growing Cyanescens beyond mycological interest? Is it different from Cubensis?




Well for me, I hadn't tried them before and had heard of how potent they are. They are at least twice as potent as cubensis. I think they are in the top 3 strongest mushroom species.

Then there is the added appeal of achieving a challenging grow.
If you get the chance to try them DO!

My first mushrooms were ps. Semilanceata, some time later cubensis and  now ps. Cyanescens, can confirm all are quite unique experiences.

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Really fucking awesome work man! I think this is the first successful Ps. Cyan thread i've ever seen, i had chalked it up to being unachievable indoors. Looking forward to hearing about you eating the fruits of your labor :loveheart:





*takes a bow* thank you very much :smile: I too had seen people have little success indoors but had heard of some having success with a fridge to grow azurescens, I just did A LOT of homework, trial and error and a shit load of patience hahaha! For a long time I didnt think fruiting would happen.

As for testing these, we made some tea the other night, found it to be a very colourful experience. Nice visuals, very easily distracted hahah. Very good time, and indeed different to other trips.
something a little odd was nearing the end of trip, my eyes were like pin pricks and I was very awake/stimulated, unlike with cubensis where I'm usually very sleepy by the end of a trip. It wasnt sunny but it was too bright for my eyes at that point.

From what I have read they may well keep growing through the winter if they do not get down to -1°C, will be cool to see if that is the case.

Success with this has reignited my Hopes for a previously failed ps. Semilanceata Indoor attempt. I will be attempting that again for sure!

Sorry if this is a big ramble, ended up typing more than I thought haha


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: Zenn]
    #26970269 - 10/05/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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NedRise said:
What is the appeal of growing Cyanescens beyond mycological interest? Is it different from Cubensis?




Well for me, I hadn't tried them before and had heard of how potent they are. They are at least twice as potent as cubensis. I think they are in the top 3 strongest mushroom species.

Then there is the added appeal of achieving a challenging grow.
If you get the chance to try them DO!

My first mushrooms were ps. Semilanceata, some time later cubensis and  now ps. Cyanescens, can confirm all are quite unique experiences.




How are Cyans more challenging to grow than Cubes?

I assume you collected the Semis or did you grow them, too?


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: NedRise]
    #26970963 - 10/05/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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How are Cyans more challenging to grow than Cubes?

I assume you collected the Semis or did you grow them, too?





Ah the semis comment.. I actually meant they were the first mushrooms I tripped with. But I did attempt to grow them, failed due to a couple mistakes but will be trying again. I obtained a couple prints.

As for why/how Cyans are more challenging to grow than cubensis, this comment is more aimed at the fact they are very difficult to grow indoors, more easy to grow in an outdoor patch.
They require a very different substrate to cubensis, largely wood based (commonly alder, oak or other deciduous wood chips).
Can be started similarly to cubes by inoculating grains or cakes at similar temperatures.

The biggest difference comes to fruiting temperatures. Cubes like it nice and warm, where Cyans need temperatures between roughly 10°C up to 18°C to fruit, they prefer it on the colder end of that scale. And they can fruit outdoors until temperatures reach consistent -1°C and freeze. That part for many people can be the most difficult part to replicate without the likes of a fridge or in my case, it is cold enough here for me to keep the box in my pantry.

They also take a hell of a lot longer to grow. Generally someone will prepare an outdoor patch in spring, or the previous fall/autumn. The mycelium will gradually colonise the wood chip bed through the warmer months and then fruit once temperatures drop.

I do hope this info helps. And to anyone reading this, if I got any of the above incorrect please tell me and I will fix it :smile:


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: Zenn]
    #26992025 - 10/18/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Newest flush about ready, smaller caps but as title says I have some thoughts on what caused the blackening to happen before.

I did some researching and the most likely scenario I read of was someone saying that it can happen when it has been particularly wet and then quite windy.

So I decided to put the lid back on the box and I do believe it is helping. Seems I was mistaken to think just the moss layer sufficient enough for humidity next to the window, especially after misting. Whereas the lid still allows for air flow aswell as humidity to be kept (lid is propped open slightly, to alow flow in from the top as well as the wholes around box).

It seems so far that a few of the larger affected, are healing. Others are very small and maybe aborted. One of the smaller specimens I picked, I cut the cap open and down the stipe to see where inside was effected. It seems to just begin in the cap, stipe remains healthy, unless (during windy phase) it progressed further in a weaker/smaller specimen which tend to end up aborting.


So, it could be since when wet the caps are sensitive and somewhat gelatinous, if wind or air is too dry around fruits it could be like a wind blister? But when humidity is able to return, it can hault or lessen the blisters damage.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: pics [Re: Zenn] * 1
    #26992228 - 10/19/20 02:26 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: pics [Re: Zenn]
    #27065743 - 12/01/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

great job brother! monitoring this thread for sure


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: Zenn]
    #27065855 - 12/01/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Happy to see your work in here guys-- thought I'd post here to check in because I just put some Ps. Cyan spores to agar today, and it will be my first time attempting a woody.

The print was pretty awful looking when I finally opened it-- looks like it was a wet shroom laid on the foil, so I expect contams and some cleaning up on plates will be required but who knows.

I love seeing your approaches in here-- it's almost exactly what I was thinking of doing-- except I will be using more basic sub components--

My plan in my tub is agar>rye>alder pellets/sawdust>hardwood chips>forest soil casing--

I have an outdoor closet I plan on keeping it in once it gets mostly colonized. I'm in 8a so winter is just getting here and it'll probably be next year before I'll see anything, but I'd like to spread the colonized spawn to the surface of all of my larger potted plants too so I can get the full ecosystem going.

Any advice on protecting it in the summer? I know to keep it shaded, and I think I'll plant some grass or something like that in it to "seal" the surface up and provide some shade, but it's a south facing balcony so I'm trying to plan ahead on how to avoid baking it-- should it be brought indoors if it's too hot?


Thanks again for the thread--

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It's still alive [Re: coAsTal]
    #27370434 - 07/01/21 12:56 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

UPDATE. Been a while since I've been on the site, but thought I'd drop a little message to say this mulch box is still alive! It went dormant for a while, but I have noticed new threads creeping up to the surface.
After I had harvested I had tried to add a little layer of coir and leaves but it went dormant. Kept it in the window until recently when it got a lot hotter, moved it below the window and wrapped it with the bin liner it is in to keep humidity around it like when doing the original 1st layers. Also put up a couple little boards to protect it from the sun.
Have checked in on it and there appears to be signs of life still. Little threads reaching for the bits of leaves etc.

So, I might try feed it with more leaves and maybe straw mulch or soaked wood shavings to see if it will continue to grow. I am very surprised it is still alive!



@ coAsTal, how is yours going?

I'm sorry it took so long for me to reply. Not been on in a while. 
For summer obviously keeping it shaded like you said, I maybe posted this previously in this thread:

Spawn Run:.
Temperature 65-75 F.
Humidity 90 + %

Primordia Formation:
Temperature 45-55 F.
Humidity 95 - 100 %

Cropping:
Temperature 50-65 F.
Humidity 90- 95%

I found this as a guide to be useful. If it gets hotter then maybe bring it indoors if that is a better temperature range.


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Re: It's still alive [Re: Zenn]
    #27387915 - 07/14/21 08:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Here are the first signs of life after rehoming mulch box. I broke the old brick into bits, the softer parts more likely the fully spent myc, but there were still a lot of firmer myc left. No signs of contamination or any bad smells. I got a bigger box, bin liner and started layering the large broken brick with new mixed substrate.

As per how I started feeding the original mulch box I went more simplified but still using the same oak base:

Oak leaves
Mixed leaves
Straw mulch
Oak wood shavings
Coir (that was in dried plant pots, had herbs in it that I forgot to feed so it dried out. Pots had been kept in the same room as mulch box)
Gypsum.
I pasteurized the above mixture when dehydrating the coir.

So far it has been about a week and here you can see the first few signs of life. Will be fun to see how it pans out this year.



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Re: It's still alive [Re: Zenn]
    #27388708 - 07/15/21 12:20 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: It's still alive [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #27388787 - 07/15/21 01:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: It's still alive [Re: TheMagicConch]
    #27400709 - 07/24/21 06:21 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Nooo! I go to check today and I see the dreaded green spores in bottom right. I remove from the box to see and it had started on the side too. I tried to take some of the seemingly non infected areas from the other end of the box to save it but I'm not sure if I can, because so far any time I got trich it's been a death sentence.


To say I'm gutted is an understatement.many swear words.


Would it even be worth taking to the garden to see if nature could help out? I'm not even sure if the parts I removed would succeed


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Re: It's still alive [Re: Zenn]
    #27401120 - 07/25/21 01:39 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Oh no


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