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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: Zenn]
    #26961318 - 09/30/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Good job. wasn't putting you down at all, just a suggestion.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
    #26961346 - 09/30/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I know :smile: I appreciate the input. This my first time dealing with woodlovers altogether so any advice is appreciated.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: Zenn]
    #26961424 - 09/30/20 04:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Those look so cool


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: CrashTest] * 1
    #26964313 - 10/01/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Any ideas what it is that causes the gradual blackening? Usualy from what I've noticed, it tends to start in the very tip of the cap or like a ring around the tip. I had to pick a few more of my smaller ones due to tip colour change, as some of the others that I left before got stunted growth or aborted. Others are ok for now and the box seems to have lots of little pins hiding under the moss. But if possible I'd like to try stop this cap issue. When I see signs of it I just pick them now before they get too bad.

Also been managing to just cut them, got a wave curved pair of aquarium scissors.

On a side note, a sample has been tested and they are fucking lovely little mushrooms! :smile:


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: Zenn]
    #26965082 - 10/02/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

could just be bruising? azzie are known to bruise black(usually the stem).

Over watering is also an idea.

waterlogged cyans get really dark?


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #26966040 - 10/02/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ah so it could well be water logged. Guess i was a bit overzealous with the misting of the moss to start with :frown: A couple of the most recent ones I picked I sat them on card for a while before moving them to be dried and the card had little wet patches left from the cut stipes.
Like it seems to appear as a shadow/light bruise on the tip that gradually developed darker in hours or a day etc. But seems darker than blue, more black than a bruise.

Not sure how I can stop it from happening, I do have drainage holes in the box, maybe I just keep away from misting the moss and them for as long as possible. I've had to pick out a good few little aborts, which is a shame. But at the same time from what I have seen this box has no shortage of primordia that want to get growing hahah.

But any ideas on how I could reduce the water content more would be greatly appreciated also. I dont want to fuck this up


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: Zenn]
    #26966686 - 10/02/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Here are some examples, the pictures are a little lighter than what they look like to the eye. As you can see from the pics it starts on the cap but there doesn't appear to be anything on the stipe. It is happening to fruits of all sizes. Is this waterlogged? Or could it be something else?

Also is it best to let them grow to see if they do, even if that means the darkening gets worse? Or should I harvest all the afflicted in hopes that it stops? Any advice here is greatly appreciated :smile:



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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: Zenn]
    #26966706 - 10/02/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I must say, good job man!

you don't see this very often.

big ups.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: Rafiikii]
    #26966780 - 10/02/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

My only thoughts ATM(Sorry my mind is elsewhere), The little guys are my preferred. best bang for your buck. Nothing compares to freshly cyans who's cap hasn't opened. Potent, Most Potent for sure!

My favorite size.

Sorry i have nothing of value to add. (Opinion) Just eat them, Be thankful and proud you rocked this shit. Therese so many factors,peramiter,variables,ect...Pardon my spelling.

Great job is what i am trying to say, Great Work.


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
    #26966797 - 10/03/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Rafiikii said:
I must say, good job man!

you don't see this very often.

big ups.




Thanks very much :grin::mushroom2:


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Sorry i have nothing of value to add. (Opinion) Just eat them, Be thankful and proud you rocked this shit. Therese so many factors,peramiter,variables,ect...Pardon my spelling.

Great job is what i am trying to say, Great Work.




Your input has had more value than you may realise :smile: I greatly appreciate it. To know the smaller are more bang for your buck is useful hahaha :smile: and I am very proud of how this has turned out.

I am very grateful for everyone's support, interest  and input in this project

Thank you :heart:


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: Zenn]
    #26966798 - 10/03/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

roughly can u put a time frame from start to finish?


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Re: Ps. Cyanescens mycelium in mulch box. Pinning 1st pics [Re: Rafiikii]
    #26966806 - 10/03/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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roughly can u put a time frame from start to finish?




As in from before I started this thread? Umm...let me think. I obtained a wild cyan print roughly mid November 2019. Made some agar dishes that didnt seem to take. Eventually they were put in a discard pile I was later to throw out. Eventually saw 1 with a big white puff one day, so exact dates I cant quite say for this point. Going to give rough estimate of putting agar to grain maybe late december/early january. The mulch box was put together in its initial layers on the 2nd of February, I wrote date on the box.

So maybe between 10 and 11 months
I hope this helps give a better idea for full timeframe? I do wish I had more accurate dates


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: Zenn]
    #26966924 - 10/03/20 03:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

What is the appeal of growing Cyanescens beyond mycological interest? Is it different from Cubensis?


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: NedRise]
    #26966951 - 10/03/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You really need to try some if you get the chance. Potent!


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #26967012 - 10/03/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Different species have pretty unique trips and pretty much all of them are much more potent than cubes.

I couldn’t believe how different pans were when I tried them, definitely worth putting in the effort to try different kinds.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26967084 - 10/03/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Nice zen!


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: eatyualive]
    #26967096 - 10/03/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Really fucking awesome work man! I think this is the first successful Ps. Cyan thread i've ever seen, i had chalked it up to being unachievable indoors. Looking forward to hearing about you eating the fruits of your labor :loveheart:


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
    #26967711 - 10/03/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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What is the appeal of growing Cyanescens beyond mycological interest? Is it different from Cubensis?




Well for me, I hadn't tried them before and had heard of how potent they are. They are at least twice as potent as cubensis. I think they are in the top 3 strongest mushroom species.

Then there is the added appeal of achieving a challenging grow.
If you get the chance to try them DO!

My first mushrooms were ps. Semilanceata, some time later cubensis and  now ps. Cyanescens, can confirm all are quite unique experiences.

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Really fucking awesome work man! I think this is the first successful Ps. Cyan thread i've ever seen, i had chalked it up to being unachievable indoors. Looking forward to hearing about you eating the fruits of your labor :loveheart:





*takes a bow* thank you very much :smile: I too had seen people have little success indoors but had heard of some having success with a fridge to grow azurescens, I just did A LOT of homework, trial and error and a shit load of patience hahaha! For a long time I didnt think fruiting would happen.

As for testing these, we made some tea the other night, found it to be a very colourful experience. Nice visuals, very easily distracted hahah. Very good time, and indeed different to other trips.
something a little odd was nearing the end of trip, my eyes were like pin pricks and I was very awake/stimulated, unlike with cubensis where I'm usually very sleepy by the end of a trip. It wasnt sunny but it was too bright for my eyes at that point.

From what I have read they may well keep growing through the winter if they do not get down to -1°C, will be cool to see if that is the case.

Success with this has reignited my Hopes for a previously failed ps. Semilanceata Indoor attempt. I will be attempting that again for sure!

Sorry if this is a big ramble, ended up typing more than I thought haha


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: Zenn]
    #26970269 - 10/05/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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What is the appeal of growing Cyanescens beyond mycological interest? Is it different from Cubensis?




Well for me, I hadn't tried them before and had heard of how potent they are. They are at least twice as potent as cubensis. I think they are in the top 3 strongest mushroom species.

Then there is the added appeal of achieving a challenging grow.
If you get the chance to try them DO!

My first mushrooms were ps. Semilanceata, some time later cubensis and  now ps. Cyanescens, can confirm all are quite unique experiences.




How are Cyans more challenging to grow than Cubes?

I assume you collected the Semis or did you grow them, too?


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens Indoors. Mulch box. Update: darkening caps. Water-logged? [Re: NedRise]
    #26970963 - 10/05/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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How are Cyans more challenging to grow than Cubes?

I assume you collected the Semis or did you grow them, too?





Ah the semis comment.. I actually meant they were the first mushrooms I tripped with. But I did attempt to grow them, failed due to a couple mistakes but will be trying again. I obtained a couple prints.

As for why/how Cyans are more challenging to grow than cubensis, this comment is more aimed at the fact they are very difficult to grow indoors, more easy to grow in an outdoor patch.
They require a very different substrate to cubensis, largely wood based (commonly alder, oak or other deciduous wood chips).
Can be started similarly to cubes by inoculating grains or cakes at similar temperatures.

The biggest difference comes to fruiting temperatures. Cubes like it nice and warm, where Cyans need temperatures between roughly 10°C up to 18°C to fruit, they prefer it on the colder end of that scale. And they can fruit outdoors until temperatures reach consistent -1°C and freeze. That part for many people can be the most difficult part to replicate without the likes of a fridge or in my case, it is cold enough here for me to keep the box in my pantry.

They also take a hell of a lot longer to grow. Generally someone will prepare an outdoor patch in spring, or the previous fall/autumn. The mycelium will gradually colonise the wood chip bed through the warmer months and then fruit once temperatures drop.

I do hope this info helps. And to anyone reading this, if I got any of the above incorrect please tell me and I will fix it :smile:


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