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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: My fruiting strategy: light, FAE, misting and fanning etc. [Re: Sockadin]
    #26524003 - 03/08/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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So what was it? Looks like matting to me. Seen it before when the cake is shrinking inside the jar post colonization it will bridge out to the glass.




I don't know what it is. I was hoping you guys could tell me.

It looks like mycelium getting stuck to the glass. But There's some light yellow coloration. Looks like new mycelium growth on top on normal mycelium.

I'm just not sure if it's some mold or not.

This cakes will be birthed around the 14th March.

My SGFC is already built. I considered trying the humidity chamber but after careful consideration I think the SGFC has more results to show.


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: My fruiting strategy: light, FAE, misting and fanning etc. [Re: goatchild]
    #26524091 - 03/08/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That white blob kinda looks like a mutant. :shrug:


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: My fruiting strategy: light, FAE, misting and fanning etc. [Re: goatchild] * 1
    #26524172 - 03/08/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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So what was it? Looks like matting to me. Seen it before when the cake is shrinking inside the jar post colonization it will bridge out to the glass.




I don't know what it is. I was hoping you guys could tell me.

It looks like mycelium getting stuck to the glass. But There's some light yellow coloration. Looks like new mycelium growth on top on normal mycelium.

I'm just not sure if it's some mold or not.

This cakes will be birthed around the 14th March.

My SGFC is already built. I considered trying the humidity chamber but after careful consideration I think the SGFC has more results to show.





Why are we waiting to birth? Those jars are ready. Dunk and roll!


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: My fruiting strategy: light, FAE, misting and fanning etc. [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26524212 - 03/08/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

We're supposed to wait a week for consolidation. From what I understood from reading RRs posts, the mycelium during this period will be digesting the substrate. He said that even if you birth the cakes right after the cakes are 100% colonized they will still take about a week to start fruiting. So we might as well let the cakes consolidate inside the jars, it's safer.

Some people also reported that allowing for longer periods of consolidation increases the mushrooms potency. So I'm waiting 2 weeks for consolidation.


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: My fruiting strategy: light, FAE, misting and fanning etc. [Re: goatchild]
    #26524292 - 03/08/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

They are ready. The week of consolidation is to help separate the impatient people from the people that birth and then in 3 days are like  why no shrooms?


I would birth those, Mycelium can move at different speeds and I'm pretty sure they are fixing to start pinning.

Any TC's want to chime in on this one?


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: My fruiting strategy: light, FAE, misting and fanning etc. [Re: Sockadin]
    #26524376 - 03/08/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well worst thing that can happen is the cakes starting to pin inside the jar. In that case I'd birth them ASAP.


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: Mold or mycelium? [Re: goatchild] * 1
    #26534616 - 03/14/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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UPDATE 14/03/2020

So I just finished birthing my 12 cakes.

Things look different after birthing cause there's no glass between my eyes and the mycelium now. I'd like you guys to take a look at some pictures and tell me what you think.


What do you guys think that brown spot is? An attempt to fruit a mushroom? Some kind of mutant? Or contamination?


This one was is the TRK2 jar. The same one I showed you before where a strange growth could be seen. Now after birthing I think it might be a mutant. What does it look like to you?


TRK (Transkei) jars all have a thick mycelium. This one as you can see expanded to the glass and looks weird. Is this normal? Mazatapec and Thai Pink Buffalo jars didn't do this.


Some jars had this white fluffy stuff on the vermiculite barrier. You think it is the Mycelium or some mold?


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: Mold or mycelium? [Re: goatchild] * 1
    #26534623 - 03/14/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Myc on the verm.

Idk those lumps are strange, kinda looks like PE blobs.


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: Mold or mycelium? [Re: goatchild]
    #26534668 - 03/14/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Looking healthy!

Ive had African Transkei blob on me. Its not common but it has happened to me. Its nothing to concerning, just wait till it grows out.

The expanding mycelium into the dry verm is totally normal. Not to worry :thumbup:


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: SGFC + cakes [Re: goatchild] * 1
    #26536573 - 03/15/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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UPDATE 15/03/2020

I already had my SGFC ready.
Tried my best to follow this SGFC Tek by SpitballJedi:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542

Here's some pictures:


Used a marker to distribute the points where I drilled the holes 5cm apart.
I didn't have a proper drill and couldn't bother to go buy one cause I was anxious to finish the SGFC and convinced myself it wouldn't make much difference. So the holes are about 4mm wide. Will this be a problem? Here's some pics:





While drilling I think I might have pressed too hard so some holes have cracks. Don't think this will make a difference.

About the dunk I let the cakes under water for 26h30m +- cause I had some stuff to solve.
This extra 2h30m dunk is a problem?

Anyway here's how it's looking now:



I've got a digital hygrometer that also measures temperature. It uses an external probe so I don't think it will get damaged from the moisture. The digital screen is outside the SGFC.
I placed the cakes on the SGFC about 3h ago. As of right now the hygrometer marks 99% humidity and 21.9 Cº. I haven't turned on the 6500K bulb yet because since I didn't mist the cakes it could dry the cakes. I'll wait a few hours before misting so the vermiculite sticks to the cakes better.

While I was placing the cakes I distributed the cakes like this:
Left column Transkei, Middle column Thai Pink Buffalo, right column Mazatapec.
But then I took the SGFC to my room and I lost track of the position of the SGFC. So now I know the middle column is Thai Pink Buffalo but the side columns I'm not sure what they are. I'll do some research watching pics. I hope I can easily tell the difference between Mazatapec and Transkei.

So here's my questions for you guys:
- 4mm holes on SGFC not ideal but ok?
- Cracks on the holes will spread and get worse?
- Extra 2h30m dunk damaged the mycelium in any way?
- In your experience will I be able to recognise the difference between Transkei and Mazatapec visually?

Cheers


EDIT:
By the way I want to say thank you to the guys that keep replying to this thread and my posts. It helps.


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: Possible contams? Help! (pics) [Re: goatchild] * 1
    #26551134 - 03/22/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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UPDATE 22/03/2020


Well this is upsetting. Looks like my PF Tek project (1st grow) is going south...
The cakes have been in the SGFC for 7 days now. No Hyphal Knots so far.
I've been following the standard routine: misting, fanning, 6500k light on during day time etc.

Here's some pics and descriptions of what seems to be happening to the cakes:



This pic was taken 2 or 3 days after I placed the cakes into the SGFC.


This pic was taken today, 7 days after cakes were place into the SGFC.
As you can see the mycelium is colonizing the verm around. But when I look close I'm not even sure if it is mycelium. Here's some more pics:


What do you guys think that white stuff is? Mycelium going hungry and colonizing the verm? Or some kind of contamination?
IF it is contamination can I use a sharp knife and cut those overgrown white stuff?


I took the cakes out of the foil plates to see whats going on below the cakes. Here's what I found:


Most cakes have this wispy or cottony stuff below. Is it mold? Cobweb?


2 cakes have this gelatinous goo below. And I believe 2 other cakes might be starting to grow of this gelatinous goo as well. I sniffed this stuff and it doesn't smell like anything weird. It smells like mushroom. What is this? Bacteria? Should I use a sharp knife and cut a slice on the bottom of this cakes to get rid of this goo?


This 2 cakes have little green/blue spots. I believe this might be green mold known as trich... Am I right? Or might it be bruising because I was grabbing them to check below? If it is green mold what can be done?


So overall I don't have many cakes that look ok. Either there are green spots, or that white stuff taking over, or the gelatinous goo bellow. Well maybe 1 or 2 cakes are good but... I'm afraid if all this stuff I showed you are contamination it might spread to the few healthy cakes.

Need advice. Thanks!


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: Possible contams? Help! (pics) [Re: goatchild]
    #26551150 - 03/22/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It’s myc, and the cakes aren’t bruised so that’s good.

It’ll happen just give it time.


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: Possible contams? Help! (pics) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26551157 - 03/22/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks. But what about that gelatinous goo below my 2 cakes? Just leave it?


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: Possible contams? Help! (pics) [Re: goatchild]
    #26551184 - 03/22/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I didn’t see that before, weird. Prob bacteria making it but shouldn’t be a big deal.

The little spots on the other ones look like slight bruises.


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: Possible contams? Help! (pics) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26551639 - 03/22/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Awesome. I'm always happy to see someone doing it the right way.

On the goo. Change the foil base. Don't roll it up into a cup for those cakes with the bacteria. Just wipe the bottom of the cake with some paper towel to knock off the colony. Put them on a flat piece of foil and hope for the best. Should make it through a flush or two.

The next 5 days are going to be fun. But don't touch the cakes. When they start to fruit they are going to create a climate between each cake and Everytime you move one you are disturbing that. SGFC can really be set and forget. It doesn't need all the misting and fanning people say it does.


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12 days after birth: First pins!! Below the cakes... [Re: goatchild] * 1
    #26561576 - 03/27/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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UPDATE 27/03/2020


So finally I'm seeing some results! Felt good when yesterday I spotted this first pin growing from a Transkei cake:



Problem is the pin is at the bottom of the cake. When the next day I decided to take a better look at what is going on in the bottom of the cakes I noticed the same cake had more pins coming up from below, between the cake and the foil, and one other Transkei cake as well. Here's 2 pics from the bottom of the 2 cakes:



One of these cakes has 1 pin on top. But 95% of pins and Hyphal Knots are below the cakes.

This next 2 pics are from one Mazatapec cake that is also pinning from below:



Now thinking about this got me confused because I've read again and again that FAE is king, and that evaporation of water from the surface of mycelium caused by FAE is the number 2 major pinning trigger right after full colonization.

But below the cakes between mycelium and foil there is no FAE, no light and lots of humidity right? So why did the cakes decided to pin below?

I've been following a routine that includes letting the cakes dry a bit then misting them until the verm on top is glistening with moisture, then I fan the cakes a bit then I leave the lid open a few hours then close the lids. 8h later the cakes will need misting and I repeat again the misting, fanning, lid open etc etc. I'm now leaving 2 6500k lights on during daytime, for 8h +-.
What am I doing wrong that causes the pins showing up from below the cakes?

This reminds me of some posts I read here of people complaining that their monotub substrate is pinning from the sides. I guess in that case the sides of a monotub have similar conditions to the conditions below a PF cake right? Why is it that in this cases pins prefer to show up where there is little FAE, little light and lots of RH?

Here's some pictures of my setup and cakes:



Left column are Transkei Cakes.
Middle column are Thai Pink Buffalo.
Right column Mazatapec .

So about the Thai Pink Buffalo cakes: these cakes are doing nothing. I see no pins, they feel a little bit soft when I grab them, compared to Transkei which feel really hard and heavy. Also the Mycelium of Thai Pink Buffalo cakes have not colonized much of the verm. Could it be weak genetics?

So what do you guys think about this bottom pinning paradox. Any suggestions?



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Awesome. I'm always happy to see someone doing it the right way.

On the goo. Change the foil base. Don't roll it up into a cup for those cakes with the bacteria. Just wipe the bottom of the cake with some paper towel to knock off the colony. Put them on a flat piece of foil and hope for the best. Should make it through a flush or two.

The next 5 days are going to be fun. But don't touch the cakes. When they start to fruit they are going to create a climate between each cake and Everytime you move one you are disturbing that. SGFC can really be set and forget. It doesn't need all the misting and fanning people say it does.




Thanks for the reply Shockadin.

I guess I've been messing up with the cakes a bit cause I wanted to see up close what was happening below the cakes and because of that gelatinous goo below some of them. I will follow your advice and replace the foils from those cakes and wipe them below.

Sure was fun and nice when I saw that first pin!


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: My fruiting strategy: light, FAE, misting and fanning etc. [Re: Sockadin]
    #26561660 - 03/27/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Have you build a SGCF yet? If not, you might want to consider another design like the humidity chamber



Lets the the new Cultivators try an experimental  fruiting chamber with no real results other than Meteah.  Why not bring back the pmp and the mist shield.



Oh boy Sockadin have you been eating your words the past 48h or what? , just look at the newest posts in the Humidity Chamber thread and I hope you stop spreading your unbelievable misinformation that's damaging to this community...

And I urge anyone to check out what Sockadin has been writing in THE Humidity Chamber thread and how misinformed he is about 100% of the things he writes. :thumbup:


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Re: 1st grow PF Tek: My fruiting strategy: light, FAE, misting and fanning etc. [Re: Mateja]
    #26561686 - 03/27/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Delete. Answered my own question from a pic.


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Re: 12 days after birth: First pins!! Below the cakes... [Re: goatchild]
    #26561698 - 03/27/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like your overmisting, hence the bacteria on the bottom. Easy up on the misting. U want your cakes moist not soaked.


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Re: 12 days after birth: First pins!! Below the cakes... [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26561733 - 03/27/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Looks like your overmisting, hence the bacteria on the bottom. Easy up on the misting. U want your cakes moist not soaked.




Ok. What about the bottom pinning? That bottom pinning made me think I wasn't misting enough or maintaining a high enough RH. I just misted like crazy now just before I read your reply lol.

I will fan like crazy now.


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