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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 2
    #26576800 - 04/04/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

"One of my people came up to me and said, 'Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.' That did not work out too well." Trump told the crowd. "They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. ... They tried anything. ... And this is their new hoax."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-he-took-coronavirus-seriously-after-calling-it-a-hoax-2020-3%3famp
Hia failure to take this seriously when the WHO was warning about it since 2019 gives him a nice chunk of blame. Now he backpeddles and says he knew this was a big deal before anyone lmao.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26576813 - 04/04/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

He said we had 15 cases (wen we had more like 60) and it was going down to zero. He’s either incredibly stupid or a liar. Five weeks later we have 300,000 cases. Nobody has ever been more wrong about anything so important.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: koods] * 2
    #26576816 - 04/04/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

He sat back and let hundreds of people get off airplanes from Europe for weeks ignoring the danger. Nobody has ever been more incompetent.

Anyone that continue to support him is a psychopath. The economy has collapsed. We are the epicenter of the pandemic. He’s ruined the country.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26577160 - 04/04/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

https://checkyourfact.com/2020/02/29/fact-check-donald-trump-coronavirus-hoax-south-carolina-rally/

So you wanted trump to take it seriously in 2019 when China was still saying no community spread and dr. Fauci wasn't calling it a problem?

I mean the supporters think he can walk on water, but you expect him to foresee the future.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26577164 - 04/04/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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So does china.
Plus they are responsible for.every death caused by this virus.

1000 a day, holy fuck.
In one city in America

Should start a prayer thread soon and start listing names like koods was doing.I
Not like the deaths are stopping




Bullshit, the preaident knew about this and decided to act like it was a hoax. He shares a nice fat chunk of blame.



He was listening to the media and CCP, who tried saying it wasn't transfered human-to-human.

People are judging what should have been done before it even escaped china. When he did he got accused of racism. Nothing done would please the trump derangement syndrome people


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #26577171 - 04/04/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Argue all you want. He failed to protect us. He’s a loser.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: koods] * 1
    #26577180 - 04/04/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You want something you have no right asking for. Your standards are unreasonable. People like you don't apply fair standards, and it makes you look hysterical.
Also, it isn't hurting his popularity.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Eminence]
    #26577292 - 04/04/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

China did what it needed to do while the US, which had MUCH more time to react, clearly didn't:



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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos]
    #26577317 - 04/04/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Keep forgetting about this thread in the face of the main Coronavirus thread in the Pub

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26559982#26559982
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Tantrika said:
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twighead said:
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Asante said:
Which other country so readily applied broad complete lockdowns and erected emergency hospitals with negative air pressure to keep the virus in?

China went "how can we most rationally and proactively act when SARS returns?" they then set aside budget and made provisions and plans and when SARS-2 did come around, it snapped in effect.



More like which country went into complete informational lockdown while psychotically expelling all foreign media at the first sign of a crisis.

Like ya know, every other fucking crisis or slightly negative thing that happens in that country. Just like they covered up the thousands of kids who died in the last major earthquake from the shoddy under-regulation government school construction and imprisoned anyone who dared to report on their dead children. Just like they imprisoned millions of innocent qi gong practitioners with barely a domestic peep.

Typical asante bias naivety though, the truth is clear.




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A lot of people seem to think that there’s a simple cure for the coronavirus: authoritarianism.

Article after article in the Western press has touted the superiority of China’s response to the West’s, using its draconian lockdown after the Wuhan outbreak to suggest that liberal democracies simply aren’t up to the harsh tasks of preventing disease spread. It’s a message that Chinese government propaganda has been only too happy to echo.

But the unanimous verdict of political scientists and public health scholars I spoke with is that the theory of authoritarian superiority in this crisis is wrong: There is no evidence that one type of political system has performed systematically better against Covid-19 than the other. China’s response, while eventually good, was criminally slow early on — as was Iran’s, another notably authoritarian regime. Meanwhile, democracies like South Korea and Taiwan had some of the best responses anywhere on the planet.

“Among all the factors, [regime type is] going to be at the bottom of the list,” says Joshua Michaud, an associate director for global health policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation. “You can have very poor public health practices in an authoritarian system or a democratic system.”

The myth of authoritarian superiority is not only wrong but actively harmful in two key respects.

First, it lets China off the hook for a botched early response to the coronavirus — one that likely led to the disease becoming a global pandemic in the first place. It turns what should be a damning indictment of certain aspects of the Chinese system into an ideological victory for Beijing.

Second, it gives cover to leaders of allegedly democratic states to claim dangerous emergency powers during the crisis. This is happening right now in both Hungary and Israel, where authoritarian-inclined leaders are using the outbreak as a pretense to seize powers undreamed of in normal times. The myth of authoritarian superiority could well grant unnecessary legitimacy to these dangerous moves — and thus needs to be challenged.



https://www.vox.com/2020/3/26/21184238/coronavirus-china-authoritarian-system-democracy

China has censored discussion and reporting of coronavirus cases on social media
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51732042
so Chinese citizens developed a code language to be able to discuss it without government intervention
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/03/china-social-media-language-government-censorship-covid/

but that only really lasts as long as it takes the party to figure out the code

China also closed down their most advanced Coronavirus lab -- you know, the one that reported the virus to the world before the party had its official narrative
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052966/chinese-laboratory-first-shared-coronavirus-genome-world-ordered

Hong Kong citizens have memeified the Chinese government's efforts to cover up cases
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-06/coronavirus-asia-pop-culture





it is almost like people fail to realize that it is more than possible for both China and the United States to equally suck on this matter
just measured through different metrics




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26560043#26560043

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Would ask Chinese citizens how they feel about their government covering up cases in reporting to the international community
but, you know, they are banned from Western platforms and my Chinese is nowhere near good enough to do more than search for specific character classes in Chinese MMORPG videos on youku



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“Every day, a couple to over 10 cases of covert infections of the virus are being detected,” Caixin’s report, published Monday, quoted the China CDC staff member as saying. “It’s hard to judge now whether the spread of the virus in Wuhan has been thoroughly cut off.”

A silent carrier — a term referring to a person who has been infected with the COVID-19 virus but does not show symptoms — is different from a “confirmed patient” or “suspected patient” under China’s national guidelines for diagnosing and treating the disease. The fifth version of the guideline, issued Feb. 4, stated for the first time that silent carriers could potentially infect others.



http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1005367/wuhan-grapples-with-silent-carriers-absent-from-official-data

personally can't give China credit for the same form of under-reporting that my post this morning was critical of my own provincial government for doing




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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26577333 - 04/04/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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China did what it needed to do while the US, which had MUCH more time to react, clearly didn't:






to me, the most interesting part of this graph is not China's comical down slope compared to other countries that got things under control more quickly
it is that there are a ton of shaded out grey countries not important enough and too clustered together to label
a number of nations, obviously without the population base of the US or China, that have varying degrees of control over the situation
while the media narrative treats the issue like USA, China, and Italy are the ones to discuss



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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26577408 - 04/04/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey if you want to put your trust in China of all places, that's your deal. The real Chinese way would be to just kill everyone who's sick, but since they can't easily do that these days, fake the numbers and silence the doctors.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Eminence]
    #26577468 - 04/04/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Hey if you want to put your trust in China of all places, that's your deal.



My company has an office in Wuhan that I'm in contact with each week.  Their lockdown has been a lot more serious than ours.

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The real Chinese way would be to just kill everyone who's sick



Source, or make believe?


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26577479 - 04/04/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

They sealed people in their homes to die.

Life hasn't ever had value in Chinese history.

20,000,000 cell phones gone


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26577486 - 04/04/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

We're talking about a place that's been known to murder female infants, forcefully harvest peoples' organs, put people in concentration camps for religious beliefs (some of you here may be for that, I don't know), and make protesters go missing..no shit they would be killing the sick if they could get away with it. And I mean killing them all openly, not in secret. Yeah I'm sure their lock down has been tight, I've seen vids of people in hazmat suits dragging away screaming people from their houses.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #26577494 - 04/04/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Life hasn't ever had value in Chinese history.







My first time realizing this was a long time ago when I saw a video of a Chinese woman get hit by a car, and then like 3 other cars who clearly saw her laying there struggling since they were stopped at an intersection, just kept driving over her one after the other til she was dead.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #26577501 - 04/04/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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They sealed people in their homes to die.



Again - source, or make believe?

Some were in fact sealed in in the early stages, but not to die; to try and prevent the disease from spreading.  They still got food and water.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26577514 - 04/04/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

People don't like to think people can be this different in the west. You get accusations of racism. I've heard other stories like this.

Here, people gather when an accident happens, even if they can't do anything. It's sort of beautiful.
It's a manifestation of the same civic mindedness and empathy that allowed China to try to manipulate and use us. These things are also why we are you g to outlast china. It's fake capitalism and much not it's intilectual property is tsken. It's a nation without a soul, if I had to describe it.
Communism killed it
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They sealed people in their homes to die.



Again - source, or make believe?

Some were in fact sealed in in the early stages, but not to die; to try and prevent the disease from spreading.  They still got food and water.



I was the videos of people getting sealed in. I'd rather have proof they are getting fed. We are fortunate anything for our considering China's policies.
We don't have pictures of the Chinese famine either, but we can see indirectly how enormous amounts of people dissapeared.

That is what is going to happen here. They stopped reporting, and we saw millions of cell phones disappear, and sales of urns went up.

I don't know what you are defending. The civility the chinese?


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26577526 - 04/04/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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specialpeopleclub said:
They sealed people in their homes to die.



Again - source, or make believe?

Some were in fact sealed in in the early stages, but not to die; to try and prevent the disease from spreading.  They still got food and water.




Decide for yourself what's going on here, but there is no possible misinterpretation of the videos of people being dragged away from their houses.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/378365/coronavirus-patients-welded-into-homes-in-china-as-death-toll-spirals-to-813/

They've been getting lots of urns too. And there was another video I saw of a chinese person filming outside their apartment with enormous controlled flames in the distance, implying a possible mass cremation.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Eminence]
    #26577545 - 04/04/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The ABC has a decent timeline of events.

China as well as the World Health Organisation both deserve to be looked at.

Jan 30 airlines worldwide started taking measures themselves by restricting flights to mainland China.

Feb 1st Aus Prime Minister announces travel ban on anyone returning from mainland China.

Feb 5th even though it was declared a public health emergency by the WHO on Feb 1st the WHO were still advising AGAINST travel bans as it may cause fear and stigma (against China).

Feb 17th the Chinese ambassador to Australia Mr  Mr Cheng said,

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the travel ban “unnecessarily” interfered with trade and travel and said Australia should be “cool headed and not panic”.

“We are deeply disappointed by the restrictive measures that have been taken because as I see it they are out of proportion," he said.

“As you said it is inconsistent with the professional recommendations of the World Health Organisation.

“We have expressed our strong wish and hope that the Australian government in its next review will take into account the whole situation and take a balanced approach and consider removing those harsh restrictions or at least relax restrictions.” said the travel ban “unnecessarily” interfered with trade and travel and said Australia should be “cool headed and not panic”.






At the very least China and the WHO had trouble getting their story straight with the contradictory information

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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26577547 - 04/04/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Eminence said:
The real Chinese way would be to just kill everyone who's sick



Source, or make believe?



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They sealed people in their homes to die.



Again - source, or make believe?



So neither of you have sources?  Instead you change the topic to other bad things China has done?

I'm not saying China is a great country, but people who know me know that I don't like make believe.


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